Why does the left no longer seem to care about health, chemicals in foods, Big Pharma, etc?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, health and wellness isn't that popular. It takes work-- healthy eating habits, working out etc. Body positivity + drugs to control things like diabetes pays better. No one makes any money off healthy people. Of course politicians don't want to tell everyone to take care of themselves. Their whole appeal is that they claim they can fix problems.

Let's be 100% clear that ONLY ONE party actively reviled any attempt at trying to get people to eat more healthy foods: The GOP. They viciously attacked Michele Obama for trying to get healthier school lunches and defiantly promoted things like guzzling massive quantities of high fructose corn syrup ly aaden Big Gulp sodas.

Let's also be 100% clear that the GOP is also the only party that has no problem with bankrupting Americans if they have a health emergency, or to leave them out in the cold if they can't afford insurance or healthcare.

You can't legislate health. While life is risky, there's really only one person who can make the odds in your favor, and that's you. Government intervention in this area has only resulted in more obesity and illness. People do *not* like to hear this. But the only person who can make you healthy is you.

Did the GOP make the Big Gulp a thing? Yes. I don't know why, but they did. Does the Democratic Party have a large contingent that espouses "healthy at all sizes" thinking? Yes, they do. I don't know how much clearer it can be that politicians want you to be fat, sad, gender confused, and seeking help from Big Pharma.

Doesn’t Europe have much more regulation on food and drugs? People there aren’t fat like they are here. I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss the government’s role in this.

Yes, Europe does. The food sold there, even by US companies, typically has fewer artificial ingredients.

Because Europe actually has more regulations, that the GOP in the US will fight against every single time.

[Anonymous]

I find it ironic that this thread has a big ad on it trying to sell me a McDonalds iced coffee drink

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, health and wellness isn't that popular. It takes work-- healthy eating habits, working out etc. Body positivity + drugs to control things like diabetes pays better. No one makes any money off healthy people. Of course politicians don't want to tell everyone to take care of themselves. Their whole appeal is that they claim they can fix problems.

Let's be 100% clear that ONLY ONE party actively reviled any attempt at trying to get people to eat more healthy foods: The GOP. They viciously attacked Michele Obama for trying to get healthier school lunches and defiantly promoted things like guzzling massive quantities of high fructose corn syrup ly aaden Big Gulp sodas.

Let's also be 100% clear that the GOP is also the only party that has no problem with bankrupting Americans if they have a health emergency, or to leave them out in the cold if they can't afford insurance or healthcare.

You can't legislate health. While life is risky, there's really only one person who can make the odds in your favor, and that's you. Government intervention in this area has only resulted in more obesity and illness. People do *not* like to hear this. But the only person who can make you healthy is you.

Did the GOP make the Big Gulp a thing? Yes. I don't know why, but they did. Does the Democratic Party have a large contingent that espouses "healthy at all sizes" thinking? Yes, they do. I don't know how much clearer it can be that politicians want you to be fat, sad, gender confused, and seeking help from Big Pharma.

Doesn’t Europe have much more regulation on food and drugs? People there aren’t fat like they are here. I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss the government’s role in this.

Yes, Europe does. The food sold there, even by US companies, typically has fewer artificial ingredients.

Because Europe actually has more regulations, that the GOP in the US will fight against every single time.

Right. Should be a pretty simple issue that everyone agrees about. But you're being disingenuous about the democrats being the white knights here. Show me the industries in their district, and I can tell you exactly how they'll vote

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The left does. Most of us are making personal choices that reflect that.

It's just we are trying to make sure democracy actually survives right now,.which seems to be the most pressing concern.

If your air and water are poisoned there is little you can do with "personal choices". Even if you grow your own food. Vast majority buy some sort of prepared food, not many cook from scratch or are very picky about reading the list of ingredients or buying organic (which is out of reach for many people anyway). Your kids can eat anything they want when you aren't there, smth you also cannot control. There is a need for regulations and honesty for sure, personal choices only take you this far.

You don't sound very well informed pp.

Republicans wish to rear down all regulatory government and let the corporations do what they want.

Democrats want to keep regulations going so we can regulate what's in the environment.

And Democrats also want to keep democracy and the Republic going as well as the regulations to prevent the running of the environment.

Can't have a clean environment if you don't have regulations and regulators, can't have those if you don't have democracy.

In the meantime, while Democrats fight Republicans to keep toxic substances out of the environment, as well as uphold democracy, I also like to make my own better choices.

Down with regulations! Who cares if your meat is full of parasites, your vegetables full of toxic pesticides, who cares if your canned goods are full of botulism, and so on.

Meat will not be full of parasites because animals that are suffering from parasitic infections would be skinny and unable to gain weight for slaughter. Farmers and ranchers whose herds are infected with parasites pay higher costs to raise sick animals and earn less because of lower production. Economic losses occur not only when animals die, but also when they are unable to perform their regular work, or when they produce inferior meat, milk, wool, hides, or eggs. So farmers themselves are the ones who don’t want parasitic infections in their livestock, because it will reduce their production and profit.

Botulism occurs in improperly canned foods. It usually occurs when a can is damaged in transit from the factory to the warehouse or grocery store. The can becomes bloated and leaks, and the consumer notices and disposes of it. No company that processes food to sell to consumers is going to allow food to be sold with botulism in it, the company would go bankrupt immediately because people would avoid their products like the plague. Chipotle had an issue with people becoming sick from eating their food, and almost lost their entire business. The government didn’t have to step in to protect the public, Chipotle developed their own procedures to fix their problems.No company wants to kill the people who buy their products.

Honestly organic livestock have the biggest threat to the consumer from parasites because they don’t use the medication to treat parasitic infections they way traditional farmers do

[Anonymous]

Because climate change will wipe most of us out in the next 20 years or so and the micro plastics, etc won’t matter.

[Anonymous]

Sugar consumption is the largest food-related issue we face. Sugar is ubiquitous, addictive, and incredibly harmful to the body. Our typical sugar consumption quantities are much higher than what our bodies need. If we’re going to regulate anything, let’s start with regulating sugar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, health and wellness isn't that popular. It takes work-- healthy eating habits, working out etc. Body positivity + drugs to control things like diabetes pays better. No one makes any money off healthy people. Of course politicians don't want to tell everyone to take care of themselves. Their whole appeal is that they claim they can fix problems.

Let's be 100% clear that ONLY ONE party actively reviled any attempt at trying to get people to eat more healthy foods: The GOP. They viciously attacked Michele Obama for trying to get healthier school lunches and defiantly promoted things like guzzling massive quantities of high fructose corn syrup ly aaden Big Gulp sodas.

Let's also be 100% clear that the GOP is also the only party that has no problem with bankrupting Americans if they have a health emergency, or to leave them out in the cold if they can't afford insurance or healthcare.

You can't legislate health. While life is risky, there's really only one person who can make the odds in your favor, and that's you. Government intervention in this area has only resulted in more obesity and illness. People do *not* like to hear this. But the only person who can make you healthy is you.

Did the GOP make the Big Gulp a thing? Yes. I don't know why, but they did. Does the Democratic Party have a large contingent that espouses "healthy at all sizes" thinking? Yes, they do. I don't know how much clearer it can be that politicians want you to be fat, sad, gender confused, and seeking help from Big Pharma.

Doesn’t Europe have much more regulation on food and drugs? People there aren’t fat like they are here. I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss the government’s role in this.

Yes, Europe does. The food sold there, even by US companies, typically has fewer artificial ingredients.

Because Europe actually has more regulations, that the GOP in the US will fight against every single time.

And yet a full half of Europeans are overweight. Fat, sugar, and gluttony are all natural.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it ironic that this thread has a big ad on it trying to sell me a McDonalds iced coffee drink

And there we have it, dcum. Hypocrisy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am completely aware of the "wellness culture to conspiracy pipeline" and, if you aren't aware of it yourself, there are plenty of articles about how "wellness" and "yoga" influencers have gone down the New Agey pipeline to conspiracy theories and far-right views. The easiest example is the anti-vaccine movement on the right.

This all being said, I feel like a lot of the liberal/left has dropped the ball on the discourse about Big Pharma, and the actual problem we have with PFAS, microplastics, chemicals and toxins everywhere that cause hormonal changes and cancer and premature death/shortened healthspan. This is an issue that is important to me and it's also an environmental issue. However, I'm finding that the right wing has now claimed domain over this issue... they suddenly care about the influence of Big Pharma because of covid vaccines, they care about chemicals and toxins because they think hormonal changes causes people to be trans/less traditionally masculine due to sperm count etc.

Meanwhile, the left seems to focus more on accommodating those who are subjected to the harms of toxins - which is all well and good - but not about attacking the root of the problem. For example, combating "ableism" and promoting "body positivity," having more institutionalized accommodations for people of high health risks and lowering standards of people's physical abilities. It's like, the left has just accepted the fact that we live in a toxic and unhealthy world, rather than try to do something to reverse it.

I believe it's takeover of neoliberalism. Most Democrats and even the "left" exist within a neoliberal (that is, global capitalism with less regulation, paired with the veneer of social libertarianism) framework. They want to soften the blow of social inequalities but never actually fix them, never actually do anything that would threaten corporations.

You are a moron you have it backwards read project 2925. And learn to read cognitively

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am completely aware of the "wellness culture to conspiracy pipeline" and, if you aren't aware of it yourself, there are plenty of articles about how "wellness" and "yoga" influencers have gone down the New Agey pipeline to conspiracy theories and far-right views. The easiest example is the anti-vaccine movement on the right.

This all being said, I feel like a lot of the liberal/left has dropped the ball on the discourse about Big Pharma, and the actual problem we have with PFAS, microplastics, chemicals and toxins everywhere that cause hormonal changes and cancer and premature death/shortened healthspan. This is an issue that is important to me and it's also an environmental issue. However, I'm finding that the right wing has now claimed domain over this issue... they suddenly care about the influence of Big Pharma because of covid vaccines, they care about chemicals and toxins because they think hormonal changes causes people to be trans/less traditionally masculine due to sperm count etc.

Meanwhile, the left seems to focus more on accommodating those who are subjected to the harms of toxins - which is all well and good - but not about attacking the root of the problem. For example, combating "ableism" and promoting "body positivity," having more institutionalized accommodations for people of high health risks and lowering standards of people's physical abilities. It's like, the left has just accepted the fact that we live in a toxic and unhealthy world, rather than try to do something to reverse it.

I believe it's takeover of neoliberalism. Most Democrats and even the "left" exist within a neoliberal (that is, global capitalism with less regulation, paired with the veneer of social libertarianism) framework. They want to soften the blow of social inequalities but never actually fix them, never actually do anything that would threaten corporations.

Well said. Big Pharma is in control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am completely aware of the "wellness culture to conspiracy pipeline" and, if you aren't aware of it yourself, there are plenty of articles about how "wellness" and "yoga" influencers have gone down the New Agey pipeline to conspiracy theories and far-right views. The easiest example is the anti-vaccine movement on the right.

This all being said, I feel like a lot of the liberal/left has dropped the ball on the discourse about Big Pharma, and the actual problem we have with PFAS, microplastics, chemicals and toxins everywhere that cause hormonal changes and cancer and premature death/shortened healthspan. This is an issue that is important to me and it's also an environmental issue. However, I'm finding that the right wing has now claimed domain over this issue... they suddenly care about the influence of Big Pharma because of covid vaccines, they care about chemicals and toxins because they think hormonal changes causes people to be trans/less traditionally masculine due to sperm count etc.

Meanwhile, the left seems to focus more on accommodating those who are subjected to the harms of toxins - which is all well and good - but not about attacking the root of the problem. For example, combating "ableism" and promoting "body positivity," having more institutionalized accommodations for people of high health risks and lowering standards of people's physical abilities. It's like, the left has just accepted the fact that we live in a toxic and unhealthy world, rather than try to do something to reverse it.

I believe it's takeover of neoliberalism. Most Democrats and even the "left" exist within a neoliberal (that is, global capitalism with less regulation, paired with the veneer of social libertarianism) framework. They want to soften the blow of social inequalities but never actually fix them, never actually do anything that would threaten corporations.

Well said. Big Pharma is in control.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The left does. Most of us are making personal choices that reflect that.

It's just we are trying to make sure democracy actually survives right now,.which seems to be the most pressing concern.

If your air and water are poisoned there is little you can do with "personal choices". Even if you grow your own food. Vast majority buy some sort of prepared food, not many cook from scratch or are very picky about reading the list of ingredients or buying organic (which is out of reach for many people anyway). Your kids can eat anything they want when you aren't there, smth you also cannot control. There is a need for regulations and honesty for sure, personal choices only take you this far.

You don't sound very well informed pp.

Republicans wish to rear down all regulatory government and let the corporations do what they want.

Democrats want to keep regulations going so we can regulate what's in the environment.

And Democrats also want to keep democracy and the Republic going as well as the regulations to prevent the running of the environment.

Can't have a clean environment if you don't have regulations and regulators, can't have those if you don't have democracy.

In the meantime, while Democrats fight Republicans to keep toxic substances out of the environment, as well as uphold democracy, I also like to make my own better choices.

Down with regulations! Who cares if your meat is full of parasites, your vegetables full of toxic pesticides, who cares if your canned goods are full of botulism, and so on.

Meat will not be full of parasites because animals that are suffering from parasitic infections would be skinny and unable to gain weight for slaughter. Farmers and ranchers whose herds are infected with parasites pay higher costs to raise sick animals and earn less because of lower production. Economic losses occur not only when animals die, but also when they are unable to perform their regular work, or when they produce inferior meat, milk, wool, hides, or eggs. So farmers themselves are the ones who don’t want parasitic infections in their livestock, because it will reduce their production and profit.

Botulism occurs in improperly canned foods. It usually occurs when a can is damaged in transit from the factory to the warehouse or grocery store. The can becomes bloated and leaks, and the consumer notices and disposes of it. No company that processes food to sell to consumers is going to allow food to be sold with botulism in it, the company would go bankrupt immediately because people would avoid their products like the plague. Chipotle had an issue with people becoming sick from eating their food, and almost lost their entire business. The government didn’t have to step in to protect the public, Chipotle developed their own procedures to fix their problems.No company wants to kill the people who buy their products.

Honestly organic livestock have the biggest threat to the consumer from parasites because they don’t use the medication to treat parasitic infections they way traditional farmers do

Yes, a bunch of dead people is a great for the free market.

[Anonymous]

I can’t speak for all of them but personally, I’ve been distracted by the rising fascism since about 2015.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am completely aware of the "wellness culture to conspiracy pipeline" and, if you aren't aware of it yourself, there are plenty of articles about how "wellness" and "yoga" influencers have gone down the New Agey pipeline to conspiracy theories and far-right views. The easiest example is the anti-vaccine movement on the right.

This all being said, I feel like a lot of the liberal/left has dropped the ball on the discourse about Big Pharma, and the actual problem we have with PFAS, microplastics, chemicals and toxins everywhere that cause hormonal changes and cancer and premature death/shortened healthspan. This is an issue that is important to me and it's also an environmental issue. However, I'm finding that the right wing has now claimed domain over this issue... they suddenly care about the influence of Big Pharma because of covid vaccines, they care about chemicals and toxins because they think hormonal changes causes people to be trans/less traditionally masculine due to sperm count etc.

Meanwhile, the left seems to focus more on accommodating those who are subjected to the harms of toxins - which is all well and good - but not about attacking the root of the problem. For example, combating "ableism" and promoting "body positivity," having more institutionalized accommodations for people of high health risks and lowering standards of people's physical abilities. It's like, the left has just accepted the fact that we live in a toxic and unhealthy world, rather than try to do something to reverse it.

I believe it's takeover of neoliberalism. Most Democrats and even the "left" exist within a neoliberal (that is, global capitalism with less regulation, paired with the veneer of social libertarianism) framework. They want to soften the blow of social inequalities but never actually fix them, never actually do anything that would threaten corporations.

Have you been living under a rock for the last 40 years? One of the most popular presidents in history ran on the promise to shrink the government. And shrink it he did. And the majority of the country has empowered that same political party to stack a Supreme Court with conservatives who are not only corrupt, but are similarly bent on the destruction of regulation of the water, air, food, drug supply, etc.

Liberals didn't give up on the issue. Americans did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What makes you think they aren't? There are so many issues out there. Just research the one you are interested in and see where they stand.

Don't expect the media to cover every issue that is of interest to you personally.

+1 read what the Biden EPA is trying to do on PFAS and who is opposing it.