Deprograming MAGA

[Anonymous]

'What difference, at this point does it make' that deprograming doesn't work in a Constitutional Republic?

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Anonymous wrote:Typical Chinese response. Reprogram or re-educate people. Glad she was never president with that type of thinking.

+1. This type of thinking, along with her deplorable comment is one reason why she lost the election.

Folks, this type of rhetoric just makes MAGA dig in deeper.

She lost the election because fundamentally Americans have become aholes.

She lost the election because the Republican Party worked with Russia.

She lost the election because she is an unlikable person. PERIOD.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Typical Chinese response. Reprogram or re-educate people. Glad she was never president with that type of thinking.

+1. This type of thinking, along with her deplorable comment is one reason why she lost the election.

Folks, this type of rhetoric just makes MAGA dig in deeper.

She lost the election because fundamentally Americans have become aholes.

She lost the election because the Republican Party worked with Russia.

She lost the election because she is an unlikable person. PERIOD.

MAGA is too insecure and fragile to like a strong, intelligent woman. Russia propaganda in targeted districts gave just enough votes to the rapist felon for him to win. Most of the country knew that guy was a grifter and always had been, that a why he lost the popular vote.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hilary Clinton was interviewed yesterday and said those who follow Trump need to be 'deprogram'. What does that even mean?

There is an obvious need to deprogram Trump cult members who have been fed endless toxic mixes of misinformation.

Some Q Anon recoverees have described it being a long process.

I am not sure it is possible for a majority of them now that Russia and a China are both using online misinformation as a major strategic tool to destabilize Western democracies.

WASHINGTON (AP) — China has long been seen by the U.S. as a prolific source of anti-American propaganda but less aggressive in its influence operations than Russia, which has used cyberattacks and covert operations to disrupt U.S. elections and denigrate rivals.

But many in Washington now think China is increasingly adopting tactics associated with Russia — and there’s growing concern the U.S. isn’t doing enough to respond.

U.S. officials and outside experts cite recent examples of China-linked actors generating false news reports with artificial intelligence and posting large volumes of denigrating social media posts. While many of the discovered efforts are amateurish, experts think they signal an apparent willingness from Beijing to try more influence campaigns as part of a broader embrace of covert operations, according to two people familiar with the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence

Deprogramming is sorely needed but is going to be hard to achieve without better regulation of internet. Google and Meta did take better measures this year to take down Russian and Chinese misinformation online operations but no where near enough.

There is a war on democratic hearts and minds going on.


Disinformation may be one of Russia and China’s greatest weapons
BY WILLIAM DANVERS, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR 04/05/23 07:00 AM ET

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3932031-disinformation-may-be-one-of-russia-and-chinas-greatest-weapons/amp/

The United States has just completed its second Summit on Democracy. A warning from the State Department reinforces the reality that democracy is under threat globally and that public distrust is one reason for the threat. This distrust has various components, including concern about economic and political stability, but it is also driven and amplified by autocratic governments’ use of malign influence as a weapon against democracy.
Russia, in particular, uses disinformation and malign influence as part of its offensive national security strategy. In 2013, Russia’s military chief of general staff, General Valery Gerasimov, emphasized its importance in an essay he wrote, “The role of non-military means of achieving political and strategic goals has grown and, in many cases, they have exceeded the power of force of weapons in their effectiveness.” The government of the Soviet Union used what they called active measures — the strategy for the spreading of disinformation — for decades against the United States and the West. 


China and Russia are joining forces to spread disinformation

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/china-and-russia-are-joining-forces-to-spread-disinformation/

The deepening relationship between China and Russia is driven in part by a shared narrative that the United States and the European Union are constraining their interests and that they are using information and technology to exert leverage over their adversaries. Putin and the Chinese Communist Party have cracked down on free expression, independent media, and internet freedoms largely to counter what both perceive as the risk posed to their respective regimes by alternative sources of information reaching domestic audiences—and to legitimize these methods internationally.
Though Russian and Chinese interests diverge in important ways, they are increasingly collaborating on the narratives being supplied to domestic audiences, feeding similar disinformation and propaganda to a citizenry increasingly cut off from the global web. In the aftermath of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Beijing has on the one hand avoided fully backing the incursion while on the other amplifying Kremlin propaganda on the issue. This week, for example, China’s foreign ministry repeated false Russian claims about the presence of U.S. biological weapons in Ukraine.
Against the backdrop of last month’s joint statement from Xi and Putin, this collaboration should be seen as part of a broader project to reshape the global information landscape to favor the Kremlin and Beijing’s authoritarian political projects.



How the People’s Republic of China Amplifies Russian Disinformation
FPC BRIEFING

https://www.state.gov/briefings-foreign-press-centers/how-the-prc-amplifies-russian-disinformation

So OP - there are now MAGA equivalents in most western countries. Russia and China are exploiting populist discontent to promote their own anti democratic narratives.


Reprogramming is only one part of counter initiatives needed .

We need more concerted efforts to prevent the misinformation and disinformation in the first place.

And, you probably call yourself a "liberal." You aren't. You are a leftist.
A true, classic liberal would NEVER condone any kind of "reprogramming" or "deprogramming."

Mumbo jumbo nonsense: I am very mainstream and centrist.

US intelligence agencies are the ones reporting this grave threat to Western democracy.

We need to counter the weaponization of online information by Russia and China. Bickering over semantic categories will not help. It is akin to fiddling while Rome burns

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Typical Chinese response. Reprogram or re-educate people. Glad she was never president with that type of thinking.

+1. This type of thinking, along with her deplorable comment is one reason why she lost the election.

Folks, this type of rhetoric just makes MAGA dig in deeper.

She lost the election because fundamentally Americans have become aholes.

She lost the election because the Republican Party worked with Russia.

She lost the election because she is an unlikable person. PERIOD.

MAGA is too insecure and fragile to like a strong, intelligent woman. Russia propaganda in targeted districts gave just enough votes to the rapist felon for him to win. Most of the country knew that guy was a grifter and always had been, that a why he lost the popular vote.

[jsteele]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Typical Chinese response. Reprogram or re-educate people. Glad she was never president with that type of thinking.

+1. This type of thinking, along with her deplorable comment is one reason why she lost the election.

Folks, this type of rhetoric just makes MAGA dig in deeper.

She lost the election because fundamentally Americans have become aholes.

She lost the election because the Republican Party worked with Russia.

She lost the election because she is an unlikable person. PERIOD.

MAGA is too insecure and fragile to like a strong, intelligent woman. Russia propaganda in targeted districts gave just enough votes to the rapist felon for him to win. Most of the country knew that guy was a grifter and always had been, that a why he lost the popular vote.

PP probably doesn't realize it but the two previous posters are saying exactly the same thing. A strong intelligent woman radicalized MAGAs simply by being a strong, intelligent woman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Typical Chinese response. Reprogram or re-educate people. Glad she was never president with that type of thinking.

+1. This type of thinking, along with her deplorable comment is one reason why she lost the election.

Folks, this type of rhetoric just makes MAGA dig in deeper.

She lost the election because fundamentally Americans have become aholes.

She lost the election because the Republican Party worked with Russia.

She lost the election because she is an unlikable person. PERIOD.

And, she has become even more unlikeable. She is a bitter old election denier.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Typical Chinese response. Reprogram or re-educate people. Glad she was never president with that type of thinking.

+1. This type of thinking, along with her deplorable comment is one reason why she lost the election.

Folks, this type of rhetoric just makes MAGA dig in deeper.

She lost the election because fundamentally Americans have become aholes.

She lost the election because the Republican Party worked with Russia.

She lost the election because she is an unlikable person. PERIOD.

MAGA is too insecure and fragile to like a strong, intelligent woman. Russia propaganda in targeted districts gave just enough votes to the rapist felon for him to win. Most of the country knew that guy was a grifter and always had been, that a why he lost the popular vote.

Most MAGA response ever: it’s the strong woman’s fault that I’m angry, ignorant, and misogynistic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Typical Chinese response. Reprogram or re-educate people. Glad she was never president with that type of thinking.

+1. This type of thinking, along with her deplorable comment is one reason why she lost the election.

Folks, this type of rhetoric just makes MAGA dig in deeper.

She lost the election because fundamentally Americans have become aholes.

She lost the election because the Republican Party worked with Russia.

She lost the election because she is an unlikable person. PERIOD.

And, she has become even more unlikeable. She is a bitter old election denier.

She won the popular vote but unlike Trump did not contest the election results. This hardly makes her an election denier.

Enough with the false equivalences .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Typical Chinese response. Reprogram or re-educate people. Glad she was never president with that type of thinking.

+1. This type of thinking, along with her deplorable comment is one reason why she lost the election.

Folks, this type of rhetoric just makes MAGA dig in deeper.

She lost the election because fundamentally Americans have become aholes.

She lost the election because the Republican Party worked with Russia.

She lost the election because she is an unlikable person. PERIOD.

And, she has become even more unlikeable. She is a bitter old election denier.

She won the popular vote but unlike Trump did not contest the election results. This hardly makes her an election denier.

Enough with the false equivalences .

I would call her many comments election denying...

“He knows he’s an illegitimate president,” said Clinton, also three years later. She repeated this sentiment in 2020, telling The Atlantic the election “was not on the level,” and again when she called Trump’s win illegitimate. She piled on to this by saying, “You can run the best campaign, you can even become the nominee, and you can have the election stolen from you,” clearly referring to how she saw her 2016 campaign.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trumps-denial-second-big-lie-ask-hillary-clinton-rcna55764

And, she never contested because SHE knew she was lying through her teeth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hilary Clinton was interviewed yesterday and said those who follow Trump need to be 'deprogram'. What does that even mean?

There is an obvious need to deprogram Trump cult members who have been fed endless toxic mixes of misinformation.

Some Q Anon recoverees have described it being a long process.

I am not sure it is possible for a majority of them now that Russia and a China are both using online misinformation as a major strategic tool to destabilize Western democracies.

WASHINGTON (AP) — China has long been seen by the U.S. as a prolific source of anti-American propaganda but less aggressive in its influence operations than Russia, which has used cyberattacks and covert operations to disrupt U.S. elections and denigrate rivals.

But many in Washington now think China is increasingly adopting tactics associated with Russia — and there’s growing concern the U.S. isn’t doing enough to respond.

U.S. officials and outside experts cite recent examples of China-linked actors generating false news reports with artificial intelligence and posting large volumes of denigrating social media posts. While many of the discovered efforts are amateurish, experts think they signal an apparent willingness from Beijing to try more influence campaigns as part of a broader embrace of covert operations, according to two people familiar with the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence

Deprogramming is sorely needed but is going to be hard to achieve without better regulation of internet. Google and Meta did take better measures this year to take down Russian and Chinese misinformation online operations but no where near enough.

There is a war on democratic hearts and minds going on.


Disinformation may be one of Russia and China’s greatest weapons
BY WILLIAM DANVERS, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR 04/05/23 07:00 AM ET

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3932031-disinformation-may-be-one-of-russia-and-chinas-greatest-weapons/amp/

The United States has just completed its second Summit on Democracy. A warning from the State Department reinforces the reality that democracy is under threat globally and that public distrust is one reason for the threat. This distrust has various components, including concern about economic and political stability, but it is also driven and amplified by autocratic governments’ use of malign influence as a weapon against democracy.
Russia, in particular, uses disinformation and malign influence as part of its offensive national security strategy. In 2013, Russia’s military chief of general staff, General Valery Gerasimov, emphasized its importance in an essay he wrote, “The role of non-military means of achieving political and strategic goals has grown and, in many cases, they have exceeded the power of force of weapons in their effectiveness.” The government of the Soviet Union used what they called active measures — the strategy for the spreading of disinformation — for decades against the United States and the West. 


China and Russia are joining forces to spread disinformation

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/china-and-russia-are-joining-forces-to-spread-disinformation/

The deepening relationship between China and Russia is driven in part by a shared narrative that the United States and the European Union are constraining their interests and that they are using information and technology to exert leverage over their adversaries. Putin and the Chinese Communist Party have cracked down on free expression, independent media, and internet freedoms largely to counter what both perceive as the risk posed to their respective regimes by alternative sources of information reaching domestic audiences—and to legitimize these methods internationally.
Though Russian and Chinese interests diverge in important ways, they are increasingly collaborating on the narratives being supplied to domestic audiences, feeding similar disinformation and propaganda to a citizenry increasingly cut off from the global web. In the aftermath of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Beijing has on the one hand avoided fully backing the incursion while on the other amplifying Kremlin propaganda on the issue. This week, for example, China’s foreign ministry repeated false Russian claims about the presence of U.S. biological weapons in Ukraine.
Against the backdrop of last month’s joint statement from Xi and Putin, this collaboration should be seen as part of a broader project to reshape the global information landscape to favor the Kremlin and Beijing’s authoritarian political projects.



How the People’s Republic of China Amplifies Russian Disinformation
FPC BRIEFING

https://www.state.gov/briefings-foreign-press-centers/how-the-prc-amplifies-russian-disinformation

So OP - there are now MAGA equivalents in most western countries. Russia and China are exploiting populist discontent to promote their own anti democratic narratives.


Reprogramming is only one part of counter initiatives needed .

We need more concerted efforts to prevent the misinformation and disinformation in the first place.

And, you probably call yourself a "liberal." You aren't. You are a leftist.
A true, classic liberal would NEVER condone any kind of "reprogramming" or "deprogramming."

On the contrary, classical liberals recognize that authoritarians represent an existential threat to all classical liberal values.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hilary Clinton was interviewed yesterday and said those who follow Trump need to be 'deprogram'. What does that even mean?

There is an obvious need to deprogram Trump cult members who have been fed endless toxic mixes of misinformation.

Some Q Anon recoverees have described it being a long process.

I am not sure it is possible for a majority of them now that Russia and a China are both using online misinformation as a major strategic tool to destabilize Western democracies.

WASHINGTON (AP) — China has long been seen by the U.S. as a prolific source of anti-American propaganda but less aggressive in its influence operations than Russia, which has used cyberattacks and covert operations to disrupt U.S. elections and denigrate rivals.

But many in Washington now think China is increasingly adopting tactics associated with Russia — and there’s growing concern the U.S. isn’t doing enough to respond.

U.S. officials and outside experts cite recent examples of China-linked actors generating false news reports with artificial intelligence and posting large volumes of denigrating social media posts. While many of the discovered efforts are amateurish, experts think they signal an apparent willingness from Beijing to try more influence campaigns as part of a broader embrace of covert operations, according to two people familiar with the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence

Deprogramming is sorely needed but is going to be hard to achieve without better regulation of internet. Google and Meta did take better measures this year to take down Russian and Chinese misinformation online operations but no where near enough.

There is a war on democratic hearts and minds going on.


Disinformation may be one of Russia and China’s greatest weapons
BY WILLIAM DANVERS, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR 04/05/23 07:00 AM ET

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3932031-disinformation-may-be-one-of-russia-and-chinas-greatest-weapons/amp/

The United States has just completed its second Summit on Democracy. A warning from the State Department reinforces the reality that democracy is under threat globally and that public distrust is one reason for the threat. This distrust has various components, including concern about economic and political stability, but it is also driven and amplified by autocratic governments’ use of malign influence as a weapon against democracy.
Russia, in particular, uses disinformation and malign influence as part of its offensive national security strategy. In 2013, Russia’s military chief of general staff, General Valery Gerasimov, emphasized its importance in an essay he wrote, “The role of non-military means of achieving political and strategic goals has grown and, in many cases, they have exceeded the power of force of weapons in their effectiveness.” The government of the Soviet Union used what they called active measures — the strategy for the spreading of disinformation — for decades against the United States and the West. 


China and Russia are joining forces to spread disinformation

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/china-and-russia-are-joining-forces-to-spread-disinformation/

The deepening relationship between China and Russia is driven in part by a shared narrative that the United States and the European Union are constraining their interests and that they are using information and technology to exert leverage over their adversaries. Putin and the Chinese Communist Party have cracked down on free expression, independent media, and internet freedoms largely to counter what both perceive as the risk posed to their respective regimes by alternative sources of information reaching domestic audiences—and to legitimize these methods internationally.
Though Russian and Chinese interests diverge in important ways, they are increasingly collaborating on the narratives being supplied to domestic audiences, feeding similar disinformation and propaganda to a citizenry increasingly cut off from the global web. In the aftermath of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Beijing has on the one hand avoided fully backing the incursion while on the other amplifying Kremlin propaganda on the issue. This week, for example, China’s foreign ministry repeated false Russian claims about the presence of U.S. biological weapons in Ukraine.
Against the backdrop of last month’s joint statement from Xi and Putin, this collaboration should be seen as part of a broader project to reshape the global information landscape to favor the Kremlin and Beijing’s authoritarian political projects.



How the People’s Republic of China Amplifies Russian Disinformation
FPC BRIEFING

https://www.state.gov/briefings-foreign-press-centers/how-the-prc-amplifies-russian-disinformation

So OP - there are now MAGA equivalents in most western countries. Russia and China are exploiting populist discontent to promote their own anti democratic narratives.


Reprogramming is only one part of counter initiatives needed .

We need more concerted efforts to prevent the misinformation and disinformation in the first place.

And, you probably call yourself a "liberal." You aren't. You are a leftist.
A true, classic liberal would NEVER condone any kind of "reprogramming" or "deprogramming."

The enlightend at the time didn't have social media to influence information the way we have it now. Of course, they had organized religion, which is about on par, so...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Typical Chinese response. Reprogram or re-educate people. Glad she was never president with that type of thinking.

+1. This type of thinking, along with her deplorable comment is one reason why she lost the election.

Folks, this type of rhetoric just makes MAGA dig in deeper.

She lost the election because fundamentally Americans have become aholes.

She lost the election because the Republican Party worked with Russia.

She lost the election because she is an unlikable person. PERIOD.

MAGA is too insecure and fragile to like a strong, intelligent woman. Russia propaganda in targeted districts gave just enough votes to the rapist felon for him to win. Most of the country knew that guy was a grifter and always had been, that a why he lost the popular vote.

Most MAGA response ever: it’s the strong woman’s fault that I’m angry, ignorant, and misogynistic.

+100, it's pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Hillary for President! She's so much more articulate and intelligent than Biden.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Typical Chinese response. Reprogram or re-educate people. Glad she was never president with that type of thinking.

+1. This type of thinking, along with her deplorable comment is one reason why she lost the election.

Folks, this type of rhetoric just makes MAGA dig in deeper.

She lost the election because fundamentally Americans have become aholes.

She lost the election because the Republican Party worked with Russia.

She lost the election because she is an unlikable person. PERIOD.

Imagine being such a crappy candidate that you lose to Donald Trump. Clearly, she hasn't moved past it yet.