If your dc did not take pre-calc..

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Anonymous wrote:Look in the mid-late 80s I left HS with Algebra 2. That was considered a monumental fail at the time. I went to a Russell Group UK university and have 2 post-graduate degrees I picked up thereafter.

But my kids are now in public HS and the idea that AP Calc AB is the baseline for HS graduates has been drummed into us parents, and it's kind of difficult for me to see past that.

It's been drummed in by other parents in the gossip chain. Colleges, meanwhile, are moving toward preferring stats, because (a) it's more useful for non-STEM, and (b) they see that students come in with calculus credit but performing poorly in next level calculus.

Can you show us this on a college website or any college publication?

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Anonymous wrote:The more important question is will the student be prepared for college without pre-calc. Any stem or business field is going to build upon calc, so entering college without having pre-calc would be detrimental. Even a humanities or art student will need to take a general college level math course. The bottom line is not taking pre-calc in high school is setting up for math failure in college.

Yes, I agree that if they are going into STEM, some aspects of Business (though marketing and the like at a non-selective school isn't going to build on calc) or many Social Sciences (Econ, Psych, Sociology all have quant focus in their research) or if they are going to a selective school. But for a general math credit, they can take statistics or something like that and usually schools have options for pass/fail in a non-major math class. Once you step outside of the selective college realm, there's a lot more options. I would still encourage a kid to take Pre-Calc (Calc actually too!), but she's not doomed if she doesn't.

WVU is not selective and requires Calc for Marketing majors: http://catalog.wvu.edu/undergraduate/collegeofbusinessandeconomics/marketing/#majortext

The minimum is Applied Calculus, which does not have Precalculus as a prereq. You can get through it without trigonometry and the other "non real-world" parts of math that don't relate at all to marketing.

Applied Calc is not hard but you are kidding yourself if you think a kid not prepared for Pre-Calc in high school is going to do well in college Applied Calc where there is no hand holding, extra credit, etc.

But there is grading on the curve in college.

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Anonymous wrote:The more important question is will the student be prepared for college without pre-calc. Any stem or business field is going to build upon calc, so entering college without having pre-calc would be detrimental. Even a humanities or art student will need to take a general college level math course. The bottom line is not taking pre-calc in high school is setting up for math failure in college.

Yes, I agree that if they are going into STEM, some aspects of Business (though marketing and the like at a non-selective school isn't going to build on calc) or many Social Sciences (Econ, Psych, Sociology all have quant focus in their research) or if they are going to a selective school. But for a general math credit, they can take statistics or something like that and usually schools have options for pass/fail in a non-major math class. Once you step outside of the selective college realm, there's a lot more options. I would still encourage a kid to take Pre-Calc (Calc actually too!), but she's not doomed if she doesn't.

WVU is not selective and requires Calc for Marketing majors: http://catalog.wvu.edu/undergraduate/collegeofbusinessandeconomics/marketing/#majortext

The minimum is Applied Calculus, which does not have Precalculus as a prereq. You can get through it without trigonometry and the other "non real-world" parts of math that don't relate at all to marketing.

Applied Calc is not hard but you are kidding yourself if you think a kid not prepared for Pre-Calc in high school is going to do well in college Applied Calc where there is no hand holding, extra credit, etc.

But there is grading on the curve in college.

That makes no difference if the kid is not prepared for the course.

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Anonymous wrote:The more important question is will the student be prepared for college without pre-calc. Any stem or business field is going to build upon calc, so entering college without having pre-calc would be detrimental. Even a humanities or art student will need to take a general college level math course. The bottom line is not taking pre-calc in high school is setting up for math failure in college.

Blanket statements aren't useful. Unless maybe you mean, no pre-calc sets up STEM majors for problems.

DC didnt take pre-calc. Got into the college DC wanted (a selective LAC). Not a STEM or business major. Never needed a "general college level math course" because open curriculum meant econ qualified as a "quantitative" course to meet requirements. So it's not a universal truth that all students including humanities and art etc are going to tank in college if they don't do pre-calc in HS. Every college is different, every department is different. Please avoid the scare statements making parents here think their kid will crash and burn if there's no pre-calc in HS. That depends on a lot of factors.

My kid wants to go to Rice or Vandy. In fact those are the only two school they are applying to (I know, I know, they should apply to more).

I am hoping the lack of pre-calc is not going to be a problem.

Going to need to take the SAT and score 780 - 800 to have any chance at all. No trig or calculus on SAT so it is possible but not likely. School’s common data set is your friend to match expectations with reality.

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Anonymous wrote:Look in the mid-late 80s I left HS with Algebra 2. That was considered a monumental fail at the time. I went to a Russell Group UK university and have 2 post-graduate degrees I picked up thereafter.

But my kids are now in public HS and the idea that AP Calc AB is the baseline for HS graduates has been drummed into us parents, and it's kind of difficult for me to see past that.

It's been drummed in by other parents in the gossip chain. Colleges, meanwhile, are moving toward preferring stats, because (a) it's more useful for non-STEM, and (b) they see that students come in with calculus credit but performing poorly in next level calculus.

Can you show us this on a college website or any college publication?

https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2022/02/14/does-calculus-count-too-much-admissions

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look in the mid-late 80s I left HS with Algebra 2. That was considered a monumental fail at the time. I went to a Russell Group UK university and have 2 post-graduate degrees I picked up thereafter.

But my kids are now in public HS and the idea that AP Calc AB is the baseline for HS graduates has been drummed into us parents, and it's kind of difficult for me to see past that.

It's been drummed in by other parents in the gossip chain. Colleges, meanwhile, are moving toward preferring stats, because (a) it's more useful for non-STEM, and (b) they see that students come in with calculus credit but performing poorly in next level calculus.

Can you show us this on a college website or any college publication?

DP. I don't think they can. I think they're just making shit up.
My DD however, plans to take AP Calc AND AP Stats in 12th.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look in the mid-late 80s I left HS with Algebra 2. That was considered a monumental fail at the time. I went to a Russell Group UK university and have 2 post-graduate degrees I picked up thereafter.

But my kids are now in public HS and the idea that AP Calc AB is the baseline for HS graduates has been drummed into us parents, and it's kind of difficult for me to see past that.

It's been drummed in by other parents in the gossip chain. Colleges, meanwhile, are moving toward preferring stats, because (a) it's more useful for non-STEM, and (b) they see that students come in with calculus credit but performing poorly in next level calculus.

Can you show us this on a college website or any college publication?

https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2022/02/14/does-calculus-count-too-much-admissions

This is not from a college website, it's just a blog

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look in the mid-late 80s I left HS with Algebra 2. That was considered a monumental fail at the time. I went to a Russell Group UK university and have 2 post-graduate degrees I picked up thereafter.

But my kids are now in public HS and the idea that AP Calc AB is the baseline for HS graduates has been drummed into us parents, and it's kind of difficult for me to see past that.

It's been drummed in by other parents in the gossip chain. Colleges, meanwhile, are moving toward preferring stats, because (a) it's more useful for non-STEM, and (b) they see that students come in with calculus credit but performing poorly in next level calculus.

Can you show us this on a college website or any college publication?

https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2022/02/14/does-calculus-count-too-much-admissions

This is not from a college website, it's just a blog

Read the article (I have faith that you can do it! You learned calculus in high school!), and click the links and read those pages too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look in the mid-late 80s I left HS with Algebra 2. That was considered a monumental fail at the time. I went to a Russell Group UK university and have 2 post-graduate degrees I picked up thereafter.

But my kids are now in public HS and the idea that AP Calc AB is the baseline for HS graduates has been drummed into us parents, and it's kind of difficult for me to see past that.

It's been drummed in by other parents in the gossip chain. Colleges, meanwhile, are moving toward preferring stats, because (a) it's more useful for non-STEM, and (b) they see that students come in with calculus credit but performing poorly in next level calculus.

Actually it has been drummed into me both by a dear friend who attended Harvard and a consultant who attended Brown. I think they are on to something...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look in the mid-late 80s I left HS with Algebra 2. That was considered a monumental fail at the time. I went to a Russell Group UK university and have 2 post-graduate degrees I picked up thereafter.

But my kids are now in public HS and the idea that AP Calc AB is the baseline for HS graduates has been drummed into us parents, and it's kind of difficult for me to see past that.

It's been drummed in by other parents in the gossip chain. Colleges, meanwhile, are moving toward preferring stats, because (a) it's more useful for non-STEM, and (b) they see that students come in with calculus credit but performing poorly in next level calculus.

Can you show us this on a college website or any college publication?

DP. I don't think they can. I think they're just making shit up.
My DD however, plans to take AP Calc AND AP Stats in 12th.

You can make a nice dinner from the egg on your face.

[Anonymous]

My kid at Large State U didn't even get to Alg 2 in HS. Alg 1-Geometry-AFDA-ProbStat was their sequence. Didn't take SAT or ACT; applied test-optional. BFA candidate, took Everyday Math for quantitative requirement and did well - also enjoyed it.

Alg 2 and Pre Calc are NOT graduation requirements. (VA public school.)

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Anonymous wrote:My kid at Large State U didn't even get to Alg 2 in HS. Alg 1-Geometry-AFDA-ProbStat was their sequence. Didn't take SAT or ACT; applied test-optional. BFA candidate, took Everyday Math for quantitative requirement and did well - also enjoyed it.

Alg 2 and Pre Calc are NOT graduation requirements. (VA public school.)

Which large state U?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Definitely regret. They need it in college for any decent major and it’s been a struggle for DC

Should have said- they need calculus in college for any decent major. My DC did not take pre calculus in high school and yes it’s been a struggle in college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look in the mid-late 80s I left HS with Algebra 2. That was considered a monumental fail at the time. I went to a Russell Group UK university and have 2 post-graduate degrees I picked up thereafter.

But my kids are now in public HS and the idea that AP Calc AB is the baseline for HS graduates has been drummed into us parents, and it's kind of difficult for me to see past that.

It's been drummed in by other parents in the gossip chain. Colleges, meanwhile, are moving toward preferring stats, because (a) it's more useful for non-STEM, and (b) they see that students come in with calculus credit but performing poorly in next level calculus.

Can you show us this on a college website or any college publication?

https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2022/02/14/does-calculus-count-too-much-admissions

This article is primarily about Calc, the discussion here is about pre-Calc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look in the mid-late 80s I left HS with Algebra 2. That was considered a monumental fail at the time. I went to a Russell Group UK university and have 2 post-graduate degrees I picked up thereafter.

But my kids are now in public HS and the idea that AP Calc AB is the baseline for HS graduates has been drummed into us parents, and it's kind of difficult for me to see past that.

It's been drummed in by other parents in the gossip chain. Colleges, meanwhile, are moving toward preferring stats, because (a) it's more useful for non-STEM, and (b) they see that students come in with calculus credit but performing poorly in next level calculus.

Can you show us this on a college website or any college publication?

DP. I don't think they can. I think they're just making shit up.
My DD however, plans to take AP Calc AND AP Stats in 12th.

You can make a nice dinner from the egg on your face.

Where’s your proof?