Where do the genius level kids go these days?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a school that most of these extraordinary kids are going to now? It seems the Ivies are mostly athletes, legacies, and URM picks.

You are spewing inaccurate nonsense.
Specious arguments and assumptions.
The Ivy League schools are not mostly athletes, legacies, and URM picks.
Further, you assume that NO athletes, legacies, and URM picks are extraordinary kids.

Some extraordinary kids can be found in every school.

The highest concentration of extraordinary kids can be found at:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT
UPenn
Cal Tech
Duke
Columbia
Chicago
Williams
Amherst
Swarthmore
Pomona

Harvard
athletes - 20%
legacy - 36%
URM - 14%
donors - 5%

There is overlap but a good percentage of the class does fall into these categories.

More than half of the Harvard athletes and legacy happen to be very strong students too. So it's not as you fully expect. You'd be mistaken if you believe Harvard admits large volumes of mediocre legacies. On average the legacy admitted pool is worse than the non-legacy admitted pool, but it's still quite strong and they tend to flock into top consulting, law, finance, and NGO jobs later on.

This is not about Ivy, athlete, legacy, or URM bashing. But if you don't belong in one of those categories, where is a brilliant student going to go? There are only so many spots left. But, yeah, I know a very mediocre student who is going to an Ivy as an athlete. It's a scam.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a school that most of these extraordinary kids are going to now? It seems the Ivies are mostly athletes, legacies, and URM picks.

You are spewing inaccurate nonsense.
Specious arguments and assumptions.
The Ivy League schools are not mostly athletes, legacies, and URM picks.
Further, you assume that NO athletes, legacies, and URM picks are extraordinary kids.

Some extraordinary kids can be found in every school.

The highest concentration of extraordinary kids can be found at:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT
UPenn
Cal Tech
Duke
Columbia
Chicago
Williams
Amherst
Swarthmore
Pomona

Harvard
athletes - 20%
legacy - 36%
URM - 14%
donors - 5%

There is overlap but a good percentage of the class does fall into these categories.

More than half of the Harvard athletes and legacy happen to be very strong students too. So it's not as you fully expect. You'd be mistaken if you believe Harvard admits large volumes of mediocre legacies. On average the legacy admitted pool is worse than the non-legacy admitted pool, but it's still quite strong and they tend to flock into top consulting, law, finance, and NGO jobs later on.

This is not about Ivy, athlete, legacy, or URM bashing. But if you don't belong in one of those categories, where is a brilliant student going to go? There are only so many spots left. But, yeah, I know a very mediocre student who is going to an Ivy as an athlete. It's a scam.

That mediocre student is probably going to a lower ivy, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was Cornell. The academic caliber especially for Harvard and Princeton athletes is quite high, unless they brought that kid in to actually compete at a D1 championship level. Either way, there are only a handful of kids that are NCAA championship caliber athletes who also maintain strong academic standards, and those kids will vie for Stanford or Duke.

[Anonymous]

Well, for this genius the answer is Arizona State University. She’s the youngest African-American to be accepted to medical school (at age 14).

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/baltimore/news/youngest-african-american-accepted-into-medical-school-studies-cancer-research-in-baltimore/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a school that most of these extraordinary kids are going to now? It seems the Ivies are mostly athletes, legacies, and URM picks.

You are spewing inaccurate nonsense.
Specious arguments and assumptions.
The Ivy League schools are not mostly athletes, legacies, and URM picks.
Further, you assume that NO athletes, legacies, and URM picks are extraordinary kids.

Some extraordinary kids can be found in every school.

The highest concentration of extraordinary kids can be found at:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT
UPenn
Cal Tech
Duke
Columbia
Chicago
Williams
Amherst
Swarthmore
Pomona

Harvard
athletes - 20%
legacy - 36%
URM - 14%
donors - 5%

There is overlap but a good percentage of the class does fall into these categories.

More than half of the Harvard athletes and legacy happen to be very strong students too. So it's not as you fully expect. You'd be mistaken if you believe Harvard admits large volumes of mediocre legacies. On average the legacy admitted pool is worse than the non-legacy admitted pool, but it's still quite strong and they tend to flock into top consulting, law, finance, and NGO jobs later on.

This is not about Ivy, athlete, legacy, or URM bashing. But if you don't belong in one of those categories, where is a brilliant student going to go? There are only so many spots left. But, yeah, I know a very mediocre student who is going to an Ivy as an athlete. It's a scam.

That mediocre student is probably going to a lower ivy, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was Cornell. The academic caliber especially for Harvard and Princeton athletes is quite high, unless they brought that kid in to actually compete at a D1 championship level. Either way, there are only a handful of kids that are NCAA championship caliber athletes who also maintain strong academic standards, and those kids will vie for Stanford or Duke.

No, it's a top Ivy. Top Ivies are using test optional to bring in mediocre students who are better athletes than they would have been able to before. A scam. Next investigation.

[Anonymous]

IQ is strong correlated with genetics for late teens and adults.

So legacy could be a factor along with high GPA, test scores, extracurriculars, etc.

[Anonymous]

Students are being advised to not submit anything below a certain score. So for places like MIT where the average is 1535 there are students not submitting their 1500.

This has been happening for a few years. The admissions officers know this and are trying to deal with it.

[Anonymous]

I’ve known a couple insanely genius kids. One is in community college because while a genius, struggles significantly with social functioning. One went to MIT. One went to ASU.

[Anonymous]

It is more interesting what they do after college.

[Anonymous]

“It is more interesting what they do after college.”

U of Delaware, followed by Syracuse Law.
😏

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is there a school that most of these extraordinary kids are going to now? It seems the Ivies are mostly athletes, legacies, and URM picks.

You are spewing inaccurate nonsense.
Specious arguments and assumptions.
The Ivy League schools are not mostly athletes, legacies, and URM picks.
Further, you assume that NO athletes, legacies, and URM picks are extraordinary kids.

Some extraordinary kids can be found in every school.

The highest concentration of extraordinary kids can be found at:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT
UPenn
Cal Tech
Duke
Columbia
Chicago
Williams
Amherst
Swarthmore
Pomona

Harvard
athletes - 20%
legacy - 36%
URM - 14%
donors - 5%

There is overlap but a good percentage of the class does fall into these categories.

More than half of the Harvard athletes and legacy happen to be very strong students too. So it's not as you fully expect. You'd be mistaken if you believe Harvard admits large volumes of mediocre legacies. On average the legacy admitted pool is worse than the non-legacy admitted pool, but it's still quite strong and they tend to flock into top consulting, law, finance, and NGO jobs later on.

This is not about Ivy, athlete, legacy, or URM bashing. But if you don't belong in one of those categories, where is a brilliant student going to go? There are only so many spots left. But, yeah, I know a very mediocre student who is going to an Ivy as an athlete. It's a scam.

Please share which school, which sport, and the student's stats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Students are being advised to not submit anything below a certain score. So for places like MIT where the average is 1535 there are students not submitting their 1500.

This has been happening for a few years. The admissions officers know this and are trying to deal with it.

MIT is not test optional.

[Anonymous]

Where they can get in and can afford. The idea that elite schools are for elite minds is now a quaint anachronism. As others have said, genius does not always equate to a high GPA and a 1600 SAT, nor are schools like MIT the place for everyone. The American education system is screwed up from top to bottom and developing the best and brightest minds to their full potential is simply no longer a priority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where they can get in and can afford. The idea that elite schools are for elite minds is now a quaint anachronism. As others have said, genius does not always equate to a high GPA and a 1600 SAT, nor are schools like MIT the place for everyone. The American education system is screwed up from top to bottom and developing the best and brightest minds to their full potential is simply no longer a priority.

This is what is sad and frustrating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actual genius level kids I guess graduate high school at age 12 and go to local colleges near where they live and graduate by 16.

A lot of those kids are just tiger parented kids.

Only if homeschooled - FCPS wouldn't grade skip kids even if tiger parents wanted it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Students are being advised to not submit anything below a certain score. So for places like MIT where the average is 1535 there are students not submitting their 1500.

This has been happening for a few years. The admissions officers know this and are trying to deal with it.

Pretty easy to deal with. Going test optional invariably means lower test scores. AOs know this. You’re only getting into an elite school TO if there is something in your file that is exceptional.