Where do the genius level kids go these days?

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a school that most of these extraordinary kids are going to now? It seems the Ivies are mostly athletes, legacies, and URM picks.

You are spewing inaccurate nonsense.
Specious arguments and assumptions.
The Ivy League schools are not mostly athletes, legacies, and URM picks.
Further, you assume that NO athletes, legacies, and URM picks are extraordinary kids.

Some extraordinary kids can be found in every school.

The highest concentration of extraordinary kids can be found at:
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT
UPenn
Cal Tech
Duke
Columbia
Chicago
Williams
Amherst
Swarthmore
Pomona

Harvard
athletes - 20%
legacy - 36%
URM - 14%
donors - 5%

There is overlap but a good percentage of the class does fall into these categories.

More than half of the Harvard athletes and legacy happen to be very strong students too. So it's not as you fully expect. You'd be mistaken if you believe Harvard admits large volumes of mediocre legacies. On average the legacy admitted pool is worse than the non-legacy admitted pool, but it's still quite strong and they tend to flock into top consulting, law, finance, and NGO jobs later on.

This is not about Ivy, athlete, legacy, or URM bashing. But if you don't belong in one of those categories, where is a brilliant student going to go? There are only so many spots left. But, yeah, I know a very mediocre student who is going to an Ivy as an athlete. It's a scam.

That mediocre student is probably going to a lower ivy, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was Cornell. The academic caliber especially for Harvard and Princeton athletes is quite high, unless they brought that kid in to actually compete at a D1 championship level. Either way, there are only a handful of kids that are NCAA championship caliber athletes who also maintain strong academic standards, and those kids will vie for Stanford or Duke.

"A lower Ivy." I can't even. Do you people hear yourselves?
DP

That’s a commonly used term in college admissions.it usually refers to Cornell

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MIT and CalTech

What is the liberal arts equivalent? Chicago?

There are no "liberal arts geniuses". That's the point of liberal arts, to have a broad education.

Do you mean humanities?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pedantic

Using words to communicate clearly aids in communication. Math and science are part of the liberal arts.

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The smartest kid we know did go to Harvard. No legacy, no athletics, Asian. But he did get a perfect SAT score. As in perfect (100%). I think that’s pretty rare.

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I know one very smart kid with near perfect SAT scores. Was not accepted to an Ivy but will spend the rest of their life getting even.

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a school that most of these extraordinary kids are going to now? It seems the Ivies are mostly athletes, legacies, and URM picks.

Disagree with your premise - the research shows that the legacies/athletes/URM are just as brilliant as those that didn't get in - but there are only so many seats, so the seats go to the brilliant ones who have the above hooks. Regardless, here's my off the cuff answer.

MIT, Stanford, Berkeley.

Which research?

DP: That's what the investigation found--and is in a few of the NYtimes articles on this. These hooked groups (legacies/athletes/URM) who were admitted weren't less brilliant than the students that didn't get in, it's just that there were far more equally brilliant students so the hook is what made the cut. All other things being equal, the hook adds an advantage.

My URM kid got a 36 and has a 94 GPA from a local non "big three" private. We do not think she has much of a chance to get in to an Ivy. URM is not the "hook" that people claim.

https://www.city-journal.org/article/harvards-affirmative-action-rationale-is-bogus


"the average Asian-American admittee to Harvard had SAT scores roughly 120 points higher than blacks admitted and 50 points higher than whites.

(This is a low estimate, as a third or more of Asian applicants would have scored higher than the maximum SAT score had the maximum been increased.)"

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“It is more interesting what they do after college.”

U of Delaware, followed by Syracuse Law.
😏

The smartest person I know went to Delaware, followed by a PhD at Princeton (computer science).

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They are going to state flagships, sometimes directionals like UMBC for STEM, and chasing merit at smaller, lower ranked schools if their lottery ticket and financial aid app is not picked for MIT, CalTech, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:The smartest kid we know did go to Harvard. No legacy, no athletics, Asian. But he did get a perfect SAT score. As in perfect (100%). I think that’s pretty rare.

It's run of the mill for elite schools.

Both of my kids got perfect SAT scores.

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Anonymous wrote:The smartest kid we know did go to Harvard. No legacy, no athletics, Asian. But he did get a perfect SAT score. As in perfect (100%). I think that’s pretty rare.

It's run of the mill for elite schools.

Both of my kids got perfect SAT scores.

Yeah it’s not rare anymore.

It was rare pre-recentering, meaning before the late 90s.

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When we lived in California, the answer was Berkeley with the Regent’s merit scholarship that allows you things like first pick of dorms and classes, in addition to some merit money

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Anonymous wrote:I know one very smart kid with near perfect SAT scores. Was not accepted to an Ivy but will spend the rest of their life getting even.

Nice. 👍 My son has a couple of those schools too...vendetta!

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My neighbor's kid is a genius/mensa/everything . Went to UVA. Now at Oxford for grad work

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Anonymous wrote:I know one very smart kid with near perfect SAT scores. Was not accepted to an Ivy but will spend the rest of their life getting even.

What a waste of energy. The Ivy schools are not thinking about that kid at all. No one is ever going to say, oh I regret not admitting that kid. Ever.

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Anonymous wrote:The smartest kid we know did go to Harvard. No legacy, no athletics, Asian. But he did get a perfect SAT score. As in perfect (100%). I think that’s pretty rare.

It's run of the mill for elite schools.

Both of my kids got perfect SAT scores.

several in public schools also got perfect scores, and 4.9+ wgpa, magnet programs.

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Anonymous wrote:I know one very smart kid with near perfect SAT scores. Was not accepted to an Ivy but will spend the rest of their life getting even.

What a waste of energy. The Ivy schools are not thinking about that kid at all. No one is ever going to say, oh I regret not admitting that kid. Ever.

Hey, it's the energy monitor! Great advice.