was 1/6 an insurrection and are we in the throes of a civil war?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The question isn't whether Capitol Hill was ready for an invasion, the question is "was 1/6 an insurrection?"

Blaming MPD, the National Guard, etc. is just misdirection.

1/6 was an insurrection

The Capitol was NOT ready for it, neither was FBI, DoD or other agencies

It IS the fault of the agencies that failed us all. I don't blame MPD or National Guard, because MPD arrived as fast as they were called. As did National Guard, they arrived as soon as DoD brass allowed them. But DC National Guard should not go through the Pentagon, and defending our Capitol should not hinge solely on Sergeant At Arms or getting the right person on the phone at the Pentagon. The process was a huge failure. And, I DO blame FBI, DHS and others for not acting effectively, not informing the decisionmakers, not coordinating and sharing info, not preparing well enough, given all of the advanced threat intel they had.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lemme tell you what it was about. Those people just wanted to be heard by Congress, literally. There was never any plan to overgrow the government, they just wanted their elected representatives to... represent them. Never was any acknowledgement of the allegations, everyone largely just ignored them or immediately declared no fraud without any appearance of looking into it.

Don't give me any counterpoints about how they're wrong, don't care- I'm simply stating what their point of view and intention was.

There were over 60 lawsuits where those claiming fraud had the opportunity to make their cases. Many of them in front of Trump appointed judges. Guess what....no proof. To this day, there is no proof. You know why? IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

Most (all?) of these were dismissed on the basis of "laches", claiming the plaintiff should have brought suit before the election ever happened. Explain to me how that's supposed to work in practical terms.

Three years later and still no evidence has been presented in court supporting the claim(s). Wonder why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The question isn't whether Capitol Hill was ready for an invasion, the question is "was 1/6 an insurrection?"

Blaming MPD, the National Guard, etc. is just misdirection.

1/6 was an insurrection

The Capitol was NOT ready for it, neither was FBI, DoD or other agencies

It IS the fault of the agencies that failed us all. I don't blame MPD or National Guard, because MPD arrived as fast as they were called. As did National Guard, they arrived as soon as DoD brass allowed them. But DC National Guard should not go through the Pentagon, and defending our Capitol should not hinge solely on Sergeant At Arms or getting the right person on the phone at the Pentagon. The process was a huge failure. And, I DO blame FBI, DHS and others for not acting effectively, not informing the decisionmakers, not coordinating and sharing info, not preparing well enough, given all of the advanced threat intel they had.

I seem to recall Trump telling the Secret Service and FBI to remove the metal detectors from the Mall because it wasn't him they were after.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lemme tell you what it was about. Those people just wanted to be heard by Congress, literally. There was never any plan to overgrow the government, they just wanted their elected representatives to... represent them. Never was any acknowledgement of the allegations, everyone largely just ignored them or immediately declared no fraud without any appearance of looking into it.

Don't give me any counterpoints about how they're wrong, don't care- I'm simply stating what their point of view and intention was.

There were over 60 lawsuits where those claiming fraud had the opportunity to make their cases. Many of them in front of Trump appointed judges. Guess what....no proof. To this day, there is no proof. You know why? IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

Most (all?) of these were dismissed on the basis of "laches", claiming the plaintiff should have brought suit before the election ever happened. Explain to me how that's supposed to work in practical terms.

There was one lawsuit (Kistner v. Simon in Minnesota) that was dismissed due to the doctrine of laches. Not most or all.

[Anonymous]

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DC Mayor wrote a letter absolutely refusing the NG. Pelosi was in FULL agreement. She did, however, have her daughter at her side to professionally film the most dramatic scenes.

They didn't want the NG beforehand to inflame tempers and they really didn't want local residents (aka Antifa) around. And the Mayor doesn't control the national guard, the president does. Know facts before spouting BS.

Zero evidence.

DP: The DC Mayor Does Not Control the National Guard. The President does. That’s just one more example of how DC residents have been denied many of the powers and benefits that residents of states have. I’m not sure what sort of “evidence “ you need for that. Look it up. Make a phone call. Do whatever you need to do to fact check that.

The MD National guard was actually mobilized by the MD governor — who, as a governor, had the power to do such things, and had them at the ready — in the event that they could be authorized to go int DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lemme tell you what it was about. Those people just wanted to be heard by Congress, literally. There was never any plan to overgrow the government, they just wanted their elected representatives to... represent them. Never was any acknowledgement of the allegations, everyone largely just ignored them or immediately declared no fraud without any appearance of looking into it.

Don't give me any counterpoints about how they're wrong, don't care- I'm simply stating what their point of view and intention was.

There were over 60 lawsuits where those claiming fraud had the opportunity to make their cases. Many of them in front of Trump appointed judges. Guess what....no proof. To this day, there is no proof. You know why? IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

Most (all?) of these were dismissed on the basis of "laches", claiming the plaintiff should have brought suit before the election ever happened. Explain to me how that's supposed to work in practical terms.

It is how our legal system works.

I would add to it that many were dismissed because there was no evidence to underpin the allegations. The attorneys (aka Kraken) were given ample opportunity to provide said evidence and failed at every turn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
DC Mayor wrote a letter absolutely refusing the NG. Pelosi was in FULL agreement. She did, however, have her daughter at her side to professionally film the most dramatic scenes.

They didn't want the NG beforehand to inflame tempers and they really didn't want local residents (aka Antifa) around. And the Mayor doesn't control the national guard, the president does. Know facts before spouting BS.

Zero evidence.

DP: The DC Mayor Does Not Control the National Guard. The President does. That’s just one more example of how DC residents have been denied many of the powers and benefits that residents of states have. I’m not sure what sort of “evidence “ you need for that. Look it up. Make a phone call. Do whatever you need to do to fact check that.

The MD National guard was actually mobilized by the MD governor — who, as a governor, had the power to do such things, and had them at the ready — in the event that they could be authorized to go int DC.

And the republican MD governor was denied by the white house to send those guardsmen. I wonder why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lemme tell you what it was about. Those people just wanted to be heard by Congress, literally. There was never any plan to overgrow the government, they just wanted their elected representatives to... represent them. Never was any acknowledgement of the allegations, everyone largely just ignored them or immediately declared no fraud without any appearance of looking into it.

Don't give me any counterpoints about how they're wrong, don't care- I'm simply stating what their point of view and intention was.

There were over 60 lawsuits where those claiming fraud had the opportunity to make their cases. Many of them in front of Trump appointed judges. Guess what....no proof. To this day, there is no proof. You know why? IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

Most (all?) of these were dismissed on the basis of "laches", claiming the plaintiff should have brought suit before the election ever happened. Explain to me how that's supposed to work in practical terms.

That is untrue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The question isn't whether Capitol Hill was ready for an invasion, the question is "was 1/6 an insurrection?"

Blaming MPD, the National Guard, etc. is just misdirection.

1/6 was an insurrection

The Capitol was NOT ready for it, neither was FBI, DoD or other agencies

It IS the fault of the agencies that failed us all. I don't blame MPD or National Guard, because MPD arrived as fast as they were called. As did National Guard, they arrived as soon as DoD brass allowed them. But DC National Guard should not go through the Pentagon, and defending our Capitol should not hinge solely on Sergeant At Arms or getting the right person on the phone at the Pentagon. The process was a huge failure. And, I DO blame FBI, DHS and others for not acting effectively, not informing the decisionmakers, not coordinating and sharing info, not preparing well enough, given all of the advanced threat intel they had.

I seem to recall Trump telling the Secret Service and FBI to remove the metal detectors from the Mall because it wasn't him they were after.

He did say that.

[Anonymous]

Coup attempt, not civil war.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The request for National Guard was not turned down by Congress. The DOD needed to approve the use of the NG and they did not. This became a hot discussion right after the insurrection as I recall.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/putting-dc-chain-command

Senate Sargent at Arms and House Sargent at Arms denied the request. Page 5/6 of the document I posted upthread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lemme tell you what it was about. Those people just wanted to be heard by Congress, literally. There was never any plan to overgrow the government, they just wanted their elected representatives to... represent them. Never was any acknowledgement of the allegations, everyone largely just ignored them or immediately declared no fraud without any appearance of looking into it.

Don't give me any counterpoints about how they're wrong, don't care- I'm simply stating what their point of view and intention was.

There were over 60 lawsuits where those claiming fraud had the opportunity to make their cases. Many of them in front of Trump appointed judges. Guess what....no proof. To this day, there is no proof. You know why? IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

Most (all?) of these were dismissed on the basis of "laches", claiming the plaintiff should have brought suit before the election ever happened. Explain to me how that's supposed to work in practical terms.

Three years later and still no evidence has been presented in court supporting the claim(s). Wonder why?

There hasn't been evidence out of court, either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Coup attempt, not civil war.

+1. There are lots of fools out here but not enough to go to war for this trump idiot. He is pretty much on his own with a few nutters if it comes to that.

[Anonymous]

1/6 was just a moron convention, and no we are not in a civil war. Stop being dramatic.

[Anonymous]

Here is an example of russian disinformation to foment a civil war/separation....and this graphic completely ignores some state boundaries, much less huge "blue" populations within it