was 1/6 an insurrection and are we in the throes of a civil war?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1/6 was a response to what the American people see, as corruption in elections. People are mad. If that’s a civil war, then yes.

So much still not known about 1/6. Trump did ask for more police, national guard prior. Why was that turned down?

Link?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1/6 was a response to what the American people see, as corruption in elections. People are mad. If that’s a civil war, then yes.

So much still not known about 1/6. Trump did ask for more police, national guard prior. Why was that turned down?

Link?

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/08/gen-kellogg-trump-did-request-natl-guard-troops-on-jan-6th-asks-congress-to-release-his-testimony/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1/6 was a response to what the American people see, as corruption in elections. People are mad. If that’s a civil war, then yes.

So much still not known about 1/6. Trump did ask for more police, national guard prior. Why was that turned down?

Link?

So why didn't he approve the national guard immediately when it was requested?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1/6 was a response to what the American people see, as corruption in elections. People are mad. If that’s a civil war, then yes.

So much still not known about 1/6. Trump did ask for more police, national guard prior. Why was that turned down?

Link?

https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-06/USCPJan.6Timeline.pdf?utm_source=117th+Members%2C+Chiefs%2C+And+Comms+Directors&utm_campaign=58cfd8acaa-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_02_04_09_01_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3985f74780-58cfd8acaa-147614274

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1/6 was a response to what the American people see, as corruption in elections. People are mad. If that’s a civil war, then yes.

So much still not known about 1/6. Trump did ask for more police, national guard prior. Why was that turned down?

Link?

So why didn't he approve the national guard immediately when it was requested?

Because it was turned down by congress

https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-06/USCPJan.6Timeline.pdf?utm_source=117th+Members%2C+Chiefs%2C+And+Comms+Directors&utm_campaign=58cfd8acaa-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_02_04_09_01_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3985f74780-58cfd8acaa-147614274

[Anonymous]

The request for National Guard was not turned down by Congress. The DOD needed to approve the use of the NG and they did not. This became a hot discussion right after the insurrection as I recall.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/putting-dc-chain-command

[Anonymous]

Here is the DOD timeline for January 6:

https://www.justsecurity.org/76117/the-official-and-unofficial-timeline-of-defense-department-actions-on-january-6/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1/6 was a response to what the American people see, as corruption in elections. People are mad. If that’s a civil war, then yes.

So much still not known about 1/6. Trump did ask for more police, national guard prior. Why was that turned down?

Link?

So why didn't he approve the national guard immediately when it was requested?

Because it was turned down by congress

https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-06/USCPJan.6Timeline.pdf?utm_source=117th+Members%2C+Chiefs%2C+And+Comms+Directors&utm_campaign=58cfd8acaa-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_02_04_09_01_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3985f74780-58cfd8acaa-147614274

Nowhere in that Capitol Police timeline does it say that Trump requested the National Guard.

It says there were numerous requests from Capitol Police but that it was specifically the House and Senate Sergeants At Arms who refused the requests. House and Senate Sergeants at Arms both "had their resignations accepted" (got fired) the day after.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1/6 was a response to what the American people see, as corruption in elections. People are mad. If that’s a civil war, then yes.

So much still not known about 1/6. Trump did ask for more police, national guard prior. Why was that turned down?

Link?

So why didn't he approve the national guard immediately when it was requested?

Because it was turned down by congress

https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2022-06/USCPJan.6Timeline.pdf?utm_source=117th+Members%2C+Chiefs%2C+And+Comms+Directors&utm_campaign=58cfd8acaa-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_02_04_09_01_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3985f74780-58cfd8acaa-147614274

Ok, I read this document and here's what I see:
January 2: Carol Corbin (DOD) texts USCP Deputy Chief Sean Gallagher, Protective Service Bureau, to determine whether USCP is considering a request for National Guard soldiers for January 6, 2021 event.
January 3: USCP Deputy Chief Gallagher replies to DOD via text that a request for National Guard support is not forthcoming at this time after consultation with COP Sund.
January 4: COP Sund asks Senate Sergeant at Arms (SSAA) Michael Stenger and House Sergeant at Arms (HSAA) Paul Irving for authority to have National Guard to assist with security for the January 6, 2021 event based on briefing with law enforcement partners and revised intelligence assessment.
COP Sund's request is denied. SSAA and HSAA tells COP Sund to contact General Walker at DC National Guard to discuss the guard's ability to support a request if needed.
COP Sund notifies General Walker of DC National Guard, indicating that the USCP may need National Guard support for the January 6, 2021, but does not have the authority to request at this time.
General Walker advises COP Sund that in the event of an authorized request, DC National Guard could quickly repurpose 125 troops helping to provide DC with COVID-related assistance. Troops would need to be sworn in as USCP.

So...your narrative that Trump requested National Guard support but was turned down by Congress is incorrect. Chief Sund requested the National Guard support but was turned down by the House and Senate Sergeants at Arms. If Trump had immediately requested the guard after the Capitol was invaded (the authorized request mentioned above) they would have arrived much earlier than they actually did.

[Anonymous]

It seems to me a lot of this failure falls on House Sergeant At Arms Irving.

Along with the failure to realistically organize and assess all of the threat intel, share it, and coordinate effectively between FBI, Capitol Police, MPD, DoD and other agencies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
The request for National Guard was not turned down by Congress. The DOD needed to approve the use of the NG and they did not. This became a hot discussion right after the insurrection as I recall.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/putting-dc-chain-command

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1/6 was a response to what the American people see, as corruption in elections. People are mad. If that’s a civil war, then yes.

So much still not known about 1/6. Trump did ask for more police, national guard prior. Why was that turned down?

Link?

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/08/gen-kellogg-trump-did-request-natl-guard-troops-on-jan-6th-asks-congress-to-release-his-testimony/

So on this one, it looks like there is an individual 0 retired general Kellogg - who claims trump asked for NG on January 3. Where is the same info on this one? It's a long document.
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2...58cfd8acaa-147614274

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1/6 was a response to what the American people see, as corruption in elections. People are mad. If that’s a civil war, then yes.

So much still not known about 1/6. Trump did ask for more police, national guard prior. Why was that turned down?

Remember how Florida gave the election to Bush and so Dems got mad and started a civil war?

[Anonymous]

The question isn't whether Capitol Hill was ready for an invasion, the question is "was 1/6 an insurrection?"

Blaming MPD, the National Guard, etc. is just misdirection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lemme tell you what it was about. Those people just wanted to be heard by Congress, literally. There was never any plan to overgrow the government, they just wanted their elected representatives to... represent them. Never was any acknowledgement of the allegations, everyone largely just ignored them or immediately declared no fraud without any appearance of looking into it.

Don't give me any counterpoints about how they're wrong, don't care- I'm simply stating what their point of view and intention was.

There were over 60 lawsuits where those claiming fraud had the opportunity to make their cases. Many of them in front of Trump appointed judges. Guess what....no proof. To this day, there is no proof. You know why? IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

Most (all?) of these were dismissed on the basis of "laches", claiming the plaintiff should have brought suit before the election ever happened. Explain to me how that's supposed to work in practical terms.