Substitute pay

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Anonymous wrote:The pay is definitely too low. I suspect the people arguing otherwise have never worked as a sub. If $19 per hour were "about right", there would not be so many vacancies every single day.

+1, if it was so great, there would be a surplus.

It's a mindless, no commitment job, with no outside work (emailing parents, meetings, grading, lesson plans, etc).

What other job(s) are mindless, no commitment, and no work-related stuff outside of 8am-3pm?
The $18/hr is fine

LOL. Such BS. I’m not a teacher but even I know that $18/hr to what do you equate with babysitting is BS. Many sitters make $20/hr to watch ONE kid. Difficult child? Add more money. multiple children? Add more money.

This is so true!

Yeah, but can you say I want to babysit this Tuesday from 8:30-3 PM and reliably find a job? Most people want a babysitter who will give up their days on the regular or babysit weekend nights.

[Anonymous]

I can make $18/hr working at a local tutoring center where I can set my own schedule. Why would I want to make the same amount of money for more headaches? Or as a driving adult with children out of the house, I'm sure I could make $18/hr as an after school nanny. If I needed full time work, I'm sure I could make $18/hr caring for an infant.

I just don't understand the substitute payscale model. How can the school system realistically expect people to want to do this job if there are easier gigs elsewhere for the same amount of money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can make $18/hr working at a local tutoring center where I can set my own schedule. Why would I want to make the same amount of money for more headaches? Or as a driving adult with children out of the house, I'm sure I could make $18/hr as an after school nanny. If I needed full time work, I'm sure I could make $18/hr caring for an infant.

I just don't understand the substitute payscale model. How can the school system realistically expect people to want to do this job if there are easier gigs elsewhere for the same amount of money.

But the point is there is no other flexible job that is open at will during the same hours/days your kid is in school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can make $18/hr working at a local tutoring center where I can set my own schedule. Why would I want to make the same amount of money for more headaches? Or as a driving adult with children out of the house, I'm sure I could make $18/hr as an after school nanny. If I needed full time work, I'm sure I could make $18/hr caring for an infant.

I just don't understand the substitute payscale model. How can the school system realistically expect people to want to do this job if there are easier gigs elsewhere for the same amount of money.

But the point is there is no other flexible job that is open at will during the same hours/days your kid is in school.

You mean for ES, plenty of people work part-time flexible jobs with kids in MS and HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can make $18/hr working at a local tutoring center where I can set my own schedule. Why would I want to make the same amount of money for more headaches? Or as a driving adult with children out of the house, I'm sure I could make $18/hr as an after school nanny. If I needed full time work, I'm sure I could make $18/hr caring for an infant.

I just don't understand the substitute payscale model. How can the school system realistically expect people to want to do this job if there are easier gigs elsewhere for the same amount of money.

But the point is there is no other flexible job that is open at will during the same hours/days your kid is in school.

You mean for ES, plenty of people work part-time flexible jobs with kids in MS and HS.

Sure. but substitute teaching fills a niche for people who want to be home when their kids are home and don't want to commit to a regular job. There's nothing else that really does that that I can think of.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can make $18/hr working at a local tutoring center where I can set my own schedule. Why would I want to make the same amount of money for more headaches? Or as a driving adult with children out of the house, I'm sure I could make $18/hr as an after school nanny. If I needed full time work, I'm sure I could make $18/hr caring for an infant.

I just don't understand the substitute payscale model. How can the school system realistically expect people to want to do this job if there are easier gigs elsewhere for the same amount of money.

But the point is there is no other flexible job that is open at will during the same hours/days your kid is in school.

You mean for ES, plenty of people work part-time flexible jobs with kids in MS and HS.

Sure. but substitute teaching fills a niche for people who want to be home when their kids are home and don't want to commit to a regular job. There's nothing else that really does that that I can think of.

Except for part-time work in offices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The pay is definitely too low. I suspect the people arguing otherwise have never worked as a sub. If $19 per hour were "about right", there would not be so many vacancies every single day.

+1, if it was so great, there would be a surplus.

It's a mindless, no commitment job, with no outside work (emailing parents, meetings, grading, lesson plans, etc).

What other job(s) are mindless, no commitment, and no work-related stuff outside of 8am-3pm?
The $18/hr is fine

LOL. Such BS. I’m not a teacher but even I know that $18/hr to what do you equate with babysitting is BS. Many sitters make $20/hr to watch ONE kid. Difficult child? Add more money. multiple children? Add more money.

This is so true!

Yeah, but can you say I want to babysit this Tuesday from 8:30-3 PM and reliably find a job? Most people want a babysitter who will give up their days on the regular or babysit weekend nights.

Hell yes. I did it all the time when I was a SAHM with young kids. I had to turn people away regularly. Tons of parents with kids in the 0-4 age group are looking for occasional babysitters so they can attend one-off downtown meetings or chaperone their older child's field trip or take their elderly parents to medical appointments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can make $18/hr working at a local tutoring center where I can set my own schedule. Why would I want to make the same amount of money for more headaches? Or as a driving adult with children out of the house, I'm sure I could make $18/hr as an after school nanny. If I needed full time work, I'm sure I could make $18/hr caring for an infant.

I just don't understand the substitute payscale model. How can the school system realistically expect people to want to do this job if there are easier gigs elsewhere for the same amount of money.

But the point is there is no other flexible job that is open at will during the same hours/days your kid is in school.

You mean for ES, plenty of people work part-time flexible jobs with kids in MS and HS.

Sure. but substitute teaching fills a niche for people who want to be home when their kids are home and don't want to commit to a regular job. There's nothing else that really does that that I can think of.

Except for part-time work in offices.

You have to commit to regular days. Substitute teaching if you don't want to do it on any given day you don't have to. You could do it once every 3 months and then 5 days in a row etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The pay is definitely too low. I suspect the people arguing otherwise have never worked as a sub. If $19 per hour were "about right", there would not be so many vacancies every single day.

+1, if it was so great, there would be a surplus.

It's a mindless, no commitment job, with no outside work (emailing parents, meetings, grading, lesson plans, etc).

What other job(s) are mindless, no commitment, and no work-related stuff outside of 8am-3pm?
The $18/hr is fine

LOL. Such BS. I’m not a teacher but even I know that $18/hr to what do you equate with babysitting is BS. Many sitters make $20/hr to watch ONE kid. Difficult child? Add more money. multiple children? Add more money.

This is so true!

Yeah, but can you say I want to babysit this Tuesday from 8:30-3 PM and reliably find a job? Most people want a babysitter who will give up their days on the regular or babysit weekend nights.

Hell yes. I did it all the time when I was a SAHM with young kids. I had to turn people away regularly. Tons of parents with kids in the 0-4 age group are looking for occasional babysitters so they can attend one-off downtown meetings or chaperone their older child's field trip or take their elderly parents to medical appointments.

+1. I feel like if you post on Nextdoor that you’re available for ad hoc day care you’d have people beating down your door. Throw in a background check and a clean driving record and you’re good to go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can make $18/hr working at a local tutoring center where I can set my own schedule. Why would I want to make the same amount of money for more headaches? Or as a driving adult with children out of the house, I'm sure I could make $18/hr as an after school nanny. If I needed full time work, I'm sure I could make $18/hr caring for an infant.

I just don't understand the substitute payscale model. How can the school system realistically expect people to want to do this job if there are easier gigs elsewhere for the same amount of money.

But the point is there is no other flexible job that is open at will during the same hours/days your kid is in school.

You mean for ES, plenty of people work part-time flexible jobs with kids in MS and HS.

Sure. but substitute teaching fills a niche for people who want to be home when their kids are home and don't want to commit to a regular job. There's nothing else that really does that that I can think of.

Except for part-time work in offices.

You have to commit to regular days. Substitute teaching if you don't want to do it on any given day you don't have to. You could do it once every 3 months and then 5 days in a row etc.

It’s true, it’s flexible. People can sign up whenever they want. That doesn’t make it’s easy work for $18/hour.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can make $18/hr working at a local tutoring center where I can set my own schedule. Why would I want to make the same amount of money for more headaches? Or as a driving adult with children out of the house, I'm sure I could make $18/hr as an after school nanny. If I needed full time work, I'm sure I could make $18/hr caring for an infant.

I just don't understand the substitute payscale model. How can the school system realistically expect people to want to do this job if there are easier gigs elsewhere for the same amount of money.

But the point is there is no other flexible job that is open at will during the same hours/days your kid is in school.

You mean for ES, plenty of people work part-time flexible jobs with kids in MS and HS.

Sure. but substitute teaching fills a niche for people who want to be home when their kids are home and don't want to commit to a regular job. There's nothing else that really does that that I can think of.

Except for part-time work in offices.

You have to commit to regular days. Substitute teaching if you don't want to do it on any given day you don't have to. You could do it once every 3 months and then 5 days in a row etc.

It’s true, it’s flexible. People can sign up whenever they want. That doesn’t make it’s easy work for $18/hour.

I'm not arguing that--It's not easy work and it should pay more (though taxpayers would have to make that decision I guess). It's just the people who say they can get other jobs with the same benefits easily are not giving enough credit to the fact that it's really very flexible but nearly always available.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can make $18/hr working at a local tutoring center where I can set my own schedule. Why would I want to make the same amount of money for more headaches? Or as a driving adult with children out of the house, I'm sure I could make $18/hr as an after school nanny. If I needed full time work, I'm sure I could make $18/hr caring for an infant.

I just don't understand the substitute payscale model. How can the school system realistically expect people to want to do this job if there are easier gigs elsewhere for the same amount of money.

But the point is there is no other flexible job that is open at will during the same hours/days your kid is in school.

You mean for ES, plenty of people work part-time flexible jobs with kids in MS and HS.

Sure. but substitute teaching fills a niche for people who want to be home when their kids are home and don't want to commit to a regular job. There's nothing else that really does that that I can think of.

Except for part-time work in offices.

You have to commit to regular days. Substitute teaching if you don't want to do it on any given day you don't have to. You could do it once every 3 months and then 5 days in a row etc.

It’s true, it’s flexible. People can sign up whenever they want. That doesn’t make it’s easy work for $18/hour.

I'm not arguing that--It's not easy work and it should pay more (though taxpayers would have to make that decision I guess). It's just the people who say they can get other jobs with the same benefits easily are not giving enough credit to the fact that it's really very flexible but nearly always available.

The only benefit is the flexibility, but there aren’t millions of SAHMs who want to work 3x a month.

[Anonymous]

I think they should pay more of you have a college degree.

[Anonymous]

Pretty sure you can make more money doing Uber.

[Anonymous]

If they could somehow organize, substitute teaching seems prime for some type of work action to force a raise in pay. Substitutes can choose when and where they want to work. Imagine if the majority didn’t accept jobs for a week or organized something like not working the third Monday of every month.