Washington Post All Met honors

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Anonymous wrote:What is interesting is that there are seven players on the full All-Met list that were on the Pride 2023 A team. KM & BS drove all but three of them away to other teams and the level of talent they had is evidence of how badly Pride botched their inaugural college recruiting class.

And it continues

I don't think Pride's HS program will ever recover from the 23 debacle. The pattern seems to be the top 40-50% of the Red team goes to CLC and Pride then brings up some girls from White and girls from other programs to fill out the new HS Black team. The new Black team will be competitive but is now playing in tournament groups that are nowhere near the top like they were in MS. I don't see this pattern changing anytime soon and it seems that KM is more accepting of this reality versus when her 25 team left in mass.

Some poor decision making took place by the 23s who thought they could be better off as a group instead of as individuals. That unfortunately had implications for many players and their future recruiting aspirations. Hard lesson was learned.

I disagree that they were better off as individuals. They were better off playing as a group but on a team whose director paid people a living wage and can keep a recruiting coordinator more than 1 year. Thought to learn their job and develop the required relationships in a year.

KM has really damaged lacrosse in Northern Virginia. She came in as an empire builder who didn’t care about anything or anyone else. She tried to undermine NVYLL by offering club lacrosse at ages too young for girls to even know if they liked the sport. She screamed at her 23 Red/Black players for minor mistakes, yelled instructions from way outside the coach’s box, and seemed to fail miserably at helping players get recruited to top D1 programs. I assume she skimped on coach salaries to pocket more for herself too. Truly a horrid individual.

[Anonymous]

The 2023s were a great team that could, and did, hang with any of the top teams in the country. The girls were really supportive of each other and there was a noted lack of the same drama that is inherent to other local club(s).

KM wasn't smart enough to recognize that if she delivered on the recruiting promises she made to this group, the talent level would have made it easy to get the girls placed at the next level.

It was DIY for the ones who committed and Pride is now relegated to being a feeder for other HS clubs, with KM laughing all the way to the bank.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is interesting is that there are seven players on the full All-Met list that were on the Pride 2023 A team. KM & BS drove all but three of them away to other teams and the level of talent they had is evidence of how badly Pride botched their inaugural college recruiting class.

Yet, school politics still got one on the list.

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Anonymous wrote:What is interesting is that there are seven players on the full All-Met list that were on the Pride 2023 A team. KM & BS drove all but three of them away to other teams and the level of talent they had is evidence of how badly Pride botched their inaugural college recruiting class.

And it continues

I don't think Pride's HS program will ever recover from the 23 debacle. The pattern seems to be the top 40-50% of the Red team goes to CLC and Pride then brings up some girls from White and girls from other programs to fill out the new HS Black team. The new Black team will be competitive but is now playing in tournament groups that are nowhere near the top like they were in MS. I don't see this pattern changing anytime soon and it seems that KM is more accepting of this reality versus when her 25 team left in mass.

Some poor decision making took place by the 23s who thought they could be better off as a group instead of as individuals. That unfortunately had implications for many players and their future recruiting aspirations. Hard lesson was learned.

I disagree that they were better off as individuals. They were better off playing as a group but on a team who's director paid people a living wage and can keep a recruiting coordinator more than 1 year. Though to learn their job and develop the required relationships in a year.

The team had better success staying together, yes. Individually, you can't deny the better players on that team would have had better recruiting results had they broken from the pack and tried out / made Capital.

The blame can't be shouldered completely by club owners. Parents have to accept the lion's share. Choosing an unproven club with little / no history or recruiting track record over Capital was a group-think miscalculation. Some might call it hubris. Same results would have likely occurred had the recruiting director remained in place.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is interesting is that there are seven players on the full All-Met list that were on the Pride 2023 A team. KM & BS drove all but three of them away to other teams and the level of talent they had is evidence of how badly Pride botched their inaugural college recruiting class.

And it continues

I don't think Pride's HS program will ever recover from the 23 debacle. The pattern seems to be the top 40-50% of the Red team goes to CLC and Pride then brings up some girls from White and girls from other programs to fill out the new HS Black team. The new Black team will be competitive but is now playing in tournament groups that are nowhere near the top like they were in MS. I don't see this pattern changing anytime soon and it seems that KM is more accepting of this reality versus when her 25 team left in mass.

Some poor decision making took place by the 23s who thought they could be better off as a group instead of as individuals. That unfortunately had implications for many players and their future recruiting aspirations. Hard lesson was learned.

I disagree that they were better off as individuals. They were better off playing as a group but on a team who's director paid people a living wage and can keep a recruiting coordinator more than 1 year. Though to learn their job and develop the required relationships in a year.

The team had better success staying together, yes. Individually, you can't deny the better players on that team would have had better recruiting results had they broken from the pack and tried out / made Capital.

The blame can't be shouldered completely by club owners. Parents have to accept the lion's share. Choosing an unproven club with little / no history or recruiting track record over Capital was a group-think miscalculation. Some might call it hubris. Same results would have likely occurred had the recruiting director remained in place.

Calling it hubris would be incorrect given that the initial recruiting coordinator would have worked out well. After she left to go coach at AU, it was the second one, a conflict of interested AD from a Baltimore Girl's private that was the problem. And just how many slots would have been available on Capital, not a particularly fun group to belong to, with many girls being relegated to the Orange team that dissolved after a few years.

[Anonymous]

It was all those original Dulles south dads for that pride 23 team that set the tone and looked down on everyone else with a “I’m better than you attitude”. The players were really nice and caring but those dads killed it.
Look where that got them with their daughters. So sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It was all those original Dulles south dads for that pride 23 team that set the tone and looked down on everyone else with a “I’m better than you attitude”. The players were really nice and caring but those dads killed it.
Look where that got them with their daughters. So sad. Your criticism is completely misplaced. I think their daughters got recruited. One girl was first team All-Met, and the PVI coach, for whom they were assistants, was WaPo coach of the year. They installed their highly successful offense at PVI, having also run it on the Pride team, and the 7 or 8 Dulles South teams that were the best in the NVYLL every year. Their record speaks for itself but they probably could have done a better job not hurting your feelings.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is interesting is that there are seven players on the full All-Met list that were on the Pride 2023 A team. KM & BS drove all but three of them away to other teams and the level of talent they had is evidence of how badly Pride botched their inaugural college recruiting class.

And it continues

I don't think Pride's HS program will ever recover from the 23 debacle. The pattern seems to be the top 40-50% of the Red team goes to CLC and Pride then brings up some girls from White and girls from other programs to fill out the new HS Black team. The new Black team will be competitive but is now playing in tournament groups that are nowhere near the top like they were in MS. I don't see this pattern changing anytime soon and it seems that KM is more accepting of this reality versus when her 25 team left in mass.

Some poor decision making took place by the 23s who thought they could be better off as a group instead of as individuals. That unfortunately had implications for many players and their future recruiting aspirations. Hard lesson was learned.

I disagree that they were better off as individuals. They were better off playing as a group but on a team who's director paid people a living wage and can keep a recruiting coordinator more than 1 year. Though to learn their job and develop the required relationships in a year.

The team had better success staying together, yes. Individually, you can't deny the better players on that team would have had better recruiting results had they broken from the pack and tried out / made Capital.

The blame can't be shouldered completely by club owners. Parents have to accept the lion's share. Choosing an unproven club with little / no history or recruiting track record over Capital was a group-think miscalculation. Some might call it hubris. Same results would have likely occurred had the recruiting director remained in place.

Calling it hubris would be incorrect given that the initial recruiting coordinator would have worked out well. After she left to go coach at AU, it was the second one, a conflict of interested AD from a Baltimore Girl's private that was the problem. And just how many slots would have been available on Capital, not a particularly fun group to belong to, with many girls being relegated to the Orange team that dissolved after a few years.

A club's history of recruiting success, along with being invited to the top tournaments, combined with having a well-connected RD, all play a role in getting the players committed. Even if Pride's original RD worked out, there still would have been a disparity in the other two areas. There may not have been many slots available on Blue, but the better Pride players might have had a shot at making the team. You also have a false impression of Capital team culture - the parents were awesome and the kids were, and are, great friends.

Deep down I think most of the Pride parents just didn't like Capital, a disdain fueled by club leaders who (for financial reasons) wanted to keep the Pride 23s together. Parents could have had the presence of mind to ask themselves if staying with an unproven HS club was the smartest choice given the stakes involved for their kids. Subsequent Pride teams appear to have recognized this evidenced by the number of Pride players who have attended tryouts since.

Also ... a point in your post is incorrect: Capital Orange finished out their final season and remained together through the 2021-2022 campaign. Check US Club Lax.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is interesting is that there are seven players on the full All-Met list that were on the Pride 2023 A team. KM & BS drove all but three of them away to other teams and the level of talent they had is evidence of how badly Pride botched their inaugural college recruiting class.

And it continues

I don't think Pride's HS program will ever recover from the 23 debacle. The pattern seems to be the top 40-50% of the Red team goes to CLC and Pride then brings up some girls from White and girls from other programs to fill out the new HS Black team. The new Black team will be competitive but is now playing in tournament groups that are nowhere near the top like they were in MS. I don't see this pattern changing anytime soon and it seems that KM is more accepting of this reality versus when her 25 team left in mass.

Some poor decision making took place by the 23s who thought they could be better off as a group instead of as individuals. That unfortunately had implications for many players and their future recruiting aspirations. Hard lesson was learned.

I disagree that they were better off as individuals. They were better off playing as a group but on a team who's director paid people a living wage and can keep a recruiting coordinator more than 1 year. Though to learn their job and develop the required relationships in a year.

The team had better success staying together, yes. Individually, you can't deny the better players on that team would have had better recruiting results had they broken from the pack and tried out / made Capital.

The blame can't be shouldered completely by club owners. Parents have to accept the lion's share. Choosing an unproven club with little / no history or recruiting track record over Capital was a group-think miscalculation. Some might call it hubris. Same results would have likely occurred had the recruiting director remained in place.

Calling it hubris would be incorrect given that the initial recruiting coordinator would have worked out well. After she left to go coach at AU, it was the second one, a conflict of interested AD from a Baltimore Girl's private that was the problem. And just how many slots would have been available on Capital, not a particularly fun group to belong to, with many girls being relegated to the Orange team that dissolved after a few years.

How was the second Pride 23 recruiting director from Baltimore conflicted?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It was all those original Dulles south dads for that pride 23 team that set the tone and looked down on everyone else with a “I’m better than you attitude”. The players were really nice and caring but those dads killed it.
Look where that got them with their daughters. So sad.

My kid's team played against that team. The dads were complete asshats.

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Anonymous wrote:What is interesting is that there are seven players on the full All-Met list that were on the Pride 2023 A team. KM & BS drove all but three of them away to other teams and the level of talent they had is evidence of how badly Pride botched their inaugural college recruiting class.

And it continues

I don't think Pride's HS program will ever recover from the 23 debacle. The pattern seems to be the top 40-50% of the Red team goes to CLC and Pride then brings up some girls from White and girls from other programs to fill out the new HS Black team. The new Black team will be competitive but is now playing in tournament groups that are nowhere near the top like they were in MS. I don't see this pattern changing anytime soon and it seems that KM is more accepting of this reality versus when her 25 team left in mass.

Some poor decision making took place by the 23s who thought they could be better off as a group instead of as individuals. That unfortunately had implications for many players and their future recruiting aspirations. Hard lesson was learned.

I disagree that they were better off as individuals. They were better off playing as a group but on a team who's director paid people a living wage and can keep a recruiting coordinator more than 1 year. Though to learn their job and develop the required relationships in a year.

The team had better success staying together, yes. Individually, you can't deny the better players on that team would have had better recruiting results had they broken from the pack and tried out / made Capital.

The blame can't be shouldered completely by club owners. Parents have to accept the lion's share. Choosing an unproven club with little / no history or recruiting track record over Capital was a group-think miscalculation. Some might call it hubris. Same results would have likely occurred had the recruiting director remained in place.

Calling it hubris would be incorrect given that the initial recruiting coordinator would have worked out well. After she left to go coach at AU, it was the second one, a conflict of interested AD from a Baltimore Girl's private that was the problem. And just how many slots would have been available on Capital, not a particularly fun group to belong to, with many girls being relegated to the Orange team that dissolved after a few years.

A club's history of recruiting success, along with being invited to the top tournaments, combined with having a well-connected RD, all play a role in getting the players committed. Even if Pride's original RD worked out, there still would have been a disparity in the other two areas. There may not have been many slots available on Blue, but the better Pride players might have had a shot at making the team. You also have a false impression of Capital team culture - the parents were awesome and the kids were, and are, great friends.

Deep down I think most of the Pride parents just didn't like Capital, a disdain fueled by club leaders who (for financial reasons) wanted to keep the Pride 23s together. Parents could have had the presence of mind to ask themselves if staying with an unproven HS club was the smartest choice given the stakes involved for their kids. Subsequent Pride teams appear to have recognized this evidenced by the number of Pride players who have attended tryouts since.

Also ... a point in your post is incorrect: Capital Orange finished out their final season and remained together through the 2021-2022 campaign. Check US Club Lax.

I'm anti-Pride but I bet I would have thrown down with KM i with my 23. Would have been wrong but I'm sure I would have.

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Anonymous wrote:What is interesting is that there are seven players on the full All-Met list that were on the Pride 2023 A team. KM & BS drove all but three of them away to other teams and the level of talent they had is evidence of how badly Pride botched their inaugural college recruiting class.

And it continues

I don't think Pride's HS program will ever recover from the 23 debacle. The pattern seems to be the top 40-50% of the Red team goes to CLC and Pride then brings up some girls from White and girls from other programs to fill out the new HS Black team. The new Black team will be competitive but is now playing in tournament groups that are nowhere near the top like they were in MS. I don't see this pattern changing anytime soon and it seems that KM is more accepting of this reality versus when her 25 team left in mass.

Some poor decision making took place by the 23s who thought they could be better off as a group instead of as individuals. That unfortunately had implications for many players and their future recruiting aspirations. Hard lesson was learned.

I disagree that they were better off as individuals. They were better off playing as a group but on a team who's director paid people a living wage and can keep a recruiting coordinator more than 1 year. Though to learn their job and develop the required relationships in a year.

The team had better success staying together, yes. Individually, you can't deny the better players on that team would have had better recruiting results had they broken from the pack and tried out / made Capital.

The blame can't be shouldered completely by club owners. Parents have to accept the lion's share. Choosing an unproven club with little / no history or recruiting track record over Capital was a group-think miscalculation. Some might call it hubris. Same results would have likely occurred had the recruiting director remained in place.

Calling it hubris would be incorrect given that the initial recruiting coordinator would have worked out well. After she left to go coach at AU, it was the second one, a conflict of interested AD from a Baltimore Girl's private that was the problem. And just how many slots would have been available on Capital, not a particularly fun group to belong to, with many girls being relegated to the Orange team that dissolved after a few years.

A club's history of recruiting success, along with being invited to the top tournaments, combined with having a well-connected RD, all play a role in getting the players committed. Even if Pride's original RD worked out, there still would have been a disparity in the other two areas. There may not have been many slots available on Blue, but the better Pride players might have had a shot at making the team. You also have a false impression of Capital team culture - the parents were awesome and the kids were, and are, great friends.

Deep down I think most of the Pride parents just didn't like Capital, a disdain fueled by club leaders who (for financial reasons) wanted to keep the Pride 23s together. Parents could have had the presence of mind to ask themselves if staying with an unproven HS club was the smartest choice given the stakes involved for their kids. Subsequent Pride teams appear to have recognized this evidenced by the number of Pride players who have attended tryouts since.

Also ... a point in your post is incorrect: Capital Orange finished out their final season and remained together through the 2021-2022 campaign. Check US Club Lax.

I'm anti-Pride but I bet I would have thrown down with KM i with my 23. Would have been wrong but I'm sure I would have.

Not cool to be anti pride during Pride month.

[Anonymous]

The real question is: would some of higher performing Pride 23s be heading to higher ranked / better academic programs if they had chosen not to stay together and instead try out for Capital?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The real question is: would some of higher performing Pride 23s be heading to higher ranked / better academic programs if they had chosen not to stay together and instead try out for Capital?

You are assuming they all would have made the Blue team. With that many girls, some of the CLC blues would have been dropped down to orange and likely not gotten the same placement they had from blue and same for the incoming Pride girls.

[Anonymous]

Absolutely. People at best tolerate KM because her program is the only show in town other than Capital. If another solid option or two appeared, people would leave Pride in droves. I’m talking more about high school although there’s not much competition at the middle school level either. Maybe 3D/Metro or Stars/St. James/MC Elite will emerge as a player. One can only hope.