What’s with people getting angry that kids are in carseats longer?

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Anonymous wrote:My parents/ILs get annoyed about the car seats because it means they can't drive my kids place unless they have a car seat for them. And car seats, unlike boosters, are harder to install and uninstall on a whim.

But I want my kids in car seats and, also, it's a bonus to me that it means that my parents/ILs don't drive them places because I actually don't trust them very well as drivers and would much rather just drive myself. The grandparents are welcome to ride with us for extra time with the kids.

They complain and I say stuff like "that's how it is now" or "yeah, it's crazy how much this stuff changes from generation to generation" and then just shrug and move on.

I trust my stepmom and MIL as much as I trust myself thankfully. They’re both educators and a bit younger than their husbands. I just get tired of the comments from my dad and FIL.

I don’t want to punish the matriarchs because their husbands can’t hold their tongues. And even though they butch they’ll always allow the carseats and have me do a second check as far as buckling goes. I think deep down they really care and get worried too, but they have to let me know they *think* it’s silly.

Lady that you wrote a whole post about this when they 100% comply means you have too much time on your hands. Its inconvenient and they're grumbling. Big deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a mom in my late 40s, and my kids were in car seats/boosters longer than their peers. But i do wonder from a pure public policy perspective if all this long term boostering makes sense. The reality is that car seats and boosters aren’t cheap and they seem to be used as a litmus test to show that poor people/people of color are “bad” parents that in some cases are BREAKING THE LAW. I also wonder how much there is a quiet car seat lobby driving all this.

I totally believe all the numbers about safety, but there are lots of things that would be safer that don’t get enacted into laws that are then used to tax poor people essentially who cannot afford them. But I also own my own business and have to run background checks on people that are hourly wage people. The amount of non-moving violations that are used against poor people because they cannot afford to get a headlight fixed, fix a seatbelt, etc, then they cannot pay the fine and then they get arrested when the cannot pay fines is just unbelievable.

Something to think about!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a mom in my late 40s, and my kids were in car seats/boosters longer than their peers. But i do wonder from a pure public policy perspective if all this long term boostering makes sense. The reality is that car seats and boosters aren’t cheap and they seem to be used as a litmus test to show that poor people/people of color are “bad” parents that in some cases are BREAKING THE LAW. I also wonder how much there is a quiet car seat lobby driving all this.

I totally believe all the numbers about safety, but there are lots of things that would be safer that don’t get enacted into laws that are then used to tax poor people essentially who cannot afford them. But I also own my own business and have to run background checks on people that are hourly wage people. The amount of non-moving violations that are used against poor people because they cannot afford to get a headlight fixed, fix a seatbelt, etc, then they cannot pay the fine and then they get arrested when the cannot pay fines is just unbelievable.

There are lots of ways to get a free booster seat. This link is for DC, but every state in the US has programs like this: https://ddot.dc.gov/page/car-safety-seat-program

Going through the program is more work than buying it yourself. The forties mom has a very valid point.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen a lot of anger and animosity from (mostly) older folks regarding current guidelines for child passenger safety.

My 3.5-year-old is rear-facing carseat and my 7-year-old is in a backed booster with a harness. For some reason my father and father-in-law are extremely bothered by this. When I told my dad that both boys will be in some type of booster in the back seat until they’re 4’11” or 12 (whichever comes first) his head spun and he let out a guttural groan like he had been punched in the stomach.

We follow the recommendations of the NHTSA, CDC’s Child Passenger Safety and our pediatricians office. I don’t see a reason not to? My kids have never complained. They are always comfortable. They’re petite for their age and aren’t prone to car sickness so thank God I don’t have to worry about queasiness with the rear facing. They both will fall asleep in the car if the drive is longer than 30 minutes and so I don’t have to worry about them slumping over. Their peers are in similar carseats and booster seats and the older has never mentioned being embarrassed. Why not? Car accidents and guns are the two leading cause of deaths for children under 16 and I really have very little control about either but if I can give my children a decreased chance of serious injury or death in the event of a car accident why not?

So many older people seem to have survivors bias about it all.

“Back in my day we just sat in the back of the car and we turned out fine!” Well, I’m sure many didn’t and I don’t think car fatalities were nearly as common in the 1950s.

Same thing with helmets. Drives my dad crazy! “You never wore a helmet growing up and you were fine!”

Yeah. Thank God I didn’t crash and hit my head. I wouldn’t be having this conversation with you because I could’ve had a TBI. My kids gonna wear a helmet. Why on earth would they not? So they can look cooler to a bunch of 65-year-old men?

And I’ve seen ads for carseats and booster seats on social media and the comments are similar (yes, I know Facebook comments are always going to be the worst humanity has to offer). But there are so many people actually ANGRY that a 8-year-old is in a booster. Like angry and throwing out wild theories, “they’re trying to make our kids soft!” “This is why men can’t be men anymore!!” Just true insanity.

Why on earth does decreasing the chances of your kid being seriously injured or killed seem to trigger an entire generation?

Because they’re still little. Your oldest is 7? When he’s in 4th grade, get back to us and let us know how he feels about climbing into a booster seat in front of his friends from school.

Or when he wants to ride home with a friend from sports or go with his friends somewhere- and mom either says no it starts uninstalling and installing booster seats in the other parent’s car

Boosters for older kids are super easy to move to a new car— I have a ride to one of my DD’s friends the other day and we literally handed her booster through the window and had it installed in 5 seconds.

Also, it’s common for older kids to sometimes ride without a booster if they are at that borderline size where a booster is safest but it’s not crazy for them to ride without them. Our rule is that definitely a booster if the car is getting on the freeway or will be exceeding 35 mph. But we sometimes take Lyfts or let our kid ride in a family member’s car without a booster if they are just driving somewhere nearby. You don’t have to worry about the kind of high speed accident in those situations, just lower speed accidents where the risk is lower and the child is not likely to be thrown forward at a high rate of speed.

After age 7 or so (depending on kid’s size) following the guidelines isn’t much of a hassle. And the kids don’t complain about it when all their friends are in boosters too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a mom in my late 40s, and my kids were in car seats/boosters longer than their peers. But i do wonder from a pure public policy perspective if all this long term boostering makes sense. The reality is that car seats and boosters aren’t cheap and they seem to be used as a litmus test to show that poor people/people of color are “bad” parents that in some cases are BREAKING THE LAW. I also wonder how much there is a quiet car seat lobby driving all this.

I totally believe all the numbers about safety, but there are lots of things that would be safer that don’t get enacted into laws that are then used to tax poor people essentially who cannot afford them. But I also own my own business and have to run background checks on people that are hourly wage people. The amount of non-moving violations that are used against poor people because they cannot afford to get a headlight fixed, fix a seatbelt, etc, then they cannot pay the fine and then they get arrested when the cannot pay fines is just unbelievable.

There are lots of ways to get a free booster seat. This link is for DC, but every state in the US has programs like this: https://ddot.dc.gov/page/car-safety-seat-program

Going through the program is more work than buying it yourself. The forties mom has a very valid point.

+1 And requires time and energy to research and find the program.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen a lot of anger and animosity from (mostly) older folks regarding current guidelines for child passenger safety.

My 3.5-year-old is rear-facing carseat and my 7-year-old is in a backed booster with a harness. For some reason my father and father-in-law are extremely bothered by this. When I told my dad that both boys will be in some type of booster in the back seat until they’re 4’11” or 12 (whichever comes first) his head spun and he let out a guttural groan like he had been punched in the stomach.

We follow the recommendations of the NHTSA, CDC’s Child Passenger Safety and our pediatricians office. I don’t see a reason not to? My kids have never complained. They are always comfortable. They’re petite for their age and aren’t prone to car sickness so thank God I don’t have to worry about queasiness with the rear facing. They both will fall asleep in the car if the drive is longer than 30 minutes and so I don’t have to worry about them slumping over. Their peers are in similar carseats and booster seats and the older has never mentioned being embarrassed. Why not? Car accidents and guns are the two leading cause of deaths for children under 16 and I really have very little control about either but if I can give my children a decreased chance of serious injury or death in the event of a car accident why not?

So many older people seem to have survivors bias about it all.

“Back in my day we just sat in the back of the car and we turned out fine!” Well, I’m sure many didn’t and I don’t think car fatalities were nearly as common in the 1950s.

Same thing with helmets. Drives my dad crazy! “You never wore a helmet growing up and you were fine!”

Yeah. Thank God I didn’t crash and hit my head. I wouldn’t be having this conversation with you because I could’ve had a TBI. My kids gonna wear a helmet. Why on earth would they not? So they can look cooler to a bunch of 65-year-old men?

And I’ve seen ads for carseats and booster seats on social media and the comments are similar (yes, I know Facebook comments are always going to be the worst humanity has to offer). But there are so many people actually ANGRY that a 8-year-old is in a booster. Like angry and throwing out wild theories, “they’re trying to make our kids soft!” “This is why men can’t be men anymore!!” Just true insanity.

Why on earth does decreasing the chances of your kid being seriously injured or killed seem to trigger an entire generation?

Because they’re still little. Your oldest is 7? When he’s in 4th grade, get back to us and let us know how he feels about climbing into a booster seat in front of his friends from school.

Or when he wants to ride home with a friend from sports or go with his friends somewhere- and mom either says no it starts uninstalling and installing booster seats in the other parent’s car

Boosters for older kids are super easy to move to a new car— I have a ride to one of my DD’s friends the other day and we literally handed her booster through the window and had it installed in 5 seconds.

Also, it’s common for older kids to sometimes ride without a booster if they are at that borderline size where a booster is safest but it’s not crazy for them to ride without them. Our rule is that definitely a booster if the car is getting on the freeway or will be exceeding 35 mph. But we sometimes take Lyfts or let our kid ride in a family member’s car without a booster if they are just driving somewhere nearby. You don’t have to worry about the kind of high speed accident in those situations, just lower speed accidents where the risk is lower and the child is not likely to be thrown forward at a high rate of speed.

After age 7 or so (depending on kid’s size) following the guidelines isn’t much of a hassle. And the kids don’t complain about it when all their friends are in boosters too.

They won’t be, though. Not by 4th or even 3rd grade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a mom in my late 40s, and my kids were in car seats/boosters longer than their peers. But i do wonder from a pure public policy perspective if all this long term boostering makes sense. The reality is that car seats and boosters aren’t cheap and they seem to be used as a litmus test to show that poor people/people of color are “bad” parents that in some cases are BREAKING THE LAW. I also wonder how much there is a quiet car seat lobby driving all this.

I totally believe all the numbers about safety, but there are lots of things that would be safer that don’t get enacted into laws that are then used to tax poor people essentially who cannot afford them. But I also own my own business and have to run background checks on people that are hourly wage people. The amount of non-moving violations that are used against poor people because they cannot afford to get a headlight fixed, fix a seatbelt, etc, then they cannot pay the fine and then they get arrested when the cannot pay fines is just unbelievable.

There are lots of ways to get a free booster seat. This link is for DC, but every state in the US has programs like this: https://ddot.dc.gov/page/car-safety-seat-program

Going through the program is more work than buying it yourself. The forties mom has a very valid point.

Lots of programs are easy though. I mentioned upthread that my local firehouse runs a program where they distribute car seats and boosters twice a year to families who need them. They purchase inexpensive (but safety compliant) seats from a local distributor who gives them a discount, and families don’t need to income qualify or apply— they just sign up and then show up for distribution. Some percent are reserved for families who are sent to the program through a local DV shelter, but the rest are available to anyone who needs one. No hoops, and the guys at the station install the seats on site and show people how to use them correctly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen a lot of anger and animosity from (mostly) older folks regarding current guidelines for child passenger safety.

My 3.5-year-old is rear-facing carseat and my 7-year-old is in a backed booster with a harness. For some reason my father and father-in-law are extremely bothered by this. When I told my dad that both boys will be in some type of booster in the back seat until they’re 4’11” or 12 (whichever comes first) his head spun and he let out a guttural groan like he had been punched in the stomach.

We follow the recommendations of the NHTSA, CDC’s Child Passenger Safety and our pediatricians office. I don’t see a reason not to? My kids have never complained. They are always comfortable. They’re petite for their age and aren’t prone to car sickness so thank God I don’t have to worry about queasiness with the rear facing. They both will fall asleep in the car if the drive is longer than 30 minutes and so I don’t have to worry about them slumping over. Their peers are in similar carseats and booster seats and the older has never mentioned being embarrassed. Why not? Car accidents and guns are the two leading cause of deaths for children under 16 and I really have very little control about either but if I can give my children a decreased chance of serious injury or death in the event of a car accident why not?

So many older people seem to have survivors bias about it all.

“Back in my day we just sat in the back of the car and we turned out fine!” Well, I’m sure many didn’t and I don’t think car fatalities were nearly as common in the 1950s.

Same thing with helmets. Drives my dad crazy! “You never wore a helmet growing up and you were fine!”

Yeah. Thank God I didn’t crash and hit my head. I wouldn’t be having this conversation with you because I could’ve had a TBI. My kids gonna wear a helmet. Why on earth would they not? So they can look cooler to a bunch of 65-year-old men?

And I’ve seen ads for carseats and booster seats on social media and the comments are similar (yes, I know Facebook comments are always going to be the worst humanity has to offer). But there are so many people actually ANGRY that a 8-year-old is in a booster. Like angry and throwing out wild theories, “they’re trying to make our kids soft!” “This is why men can’t be men anymore!!” Just true insanity.

Why on earth does decreasing the chances of your kid being seriously injured or killed seem to trigger an entire generation?

Because they’re still little. Your oldest is 7? When he’s in 4th grade, get back to us and let us know how he feels about climbing into a booster seat in front of his friends from school.

Or when he wants to ride home with a friend from sports or go with his friends somewhere- and mom either says no it starts uninstalling and installing booster seats in the other parent’s car

Boosters for older kids are super easy to move to a new car— I have a ride to one of my DD’s friends the other day and we literally handed her booster through the window and had it installed in 5 seconds.

Also, it’s common for older kids to sometimes ride without a booster if they are at that borderline size where a booster is safest but it’s not crazy for them to ride without them. Our rule is that definitely a booster if the car is getting on the freeway or will be exceeding 35 mph. But we sometimes take Lyfts or let our kid ride in a family member’s car without a booster if they are just driving somewhere nearby. You don’t have to worry about the kind of high speed accident in those situations, just lower speed accidents where the risk is lower and the child is not likely to be thrown forward at a high rate of speed.

After age 7 or so (depending on kid’s size) following the guidelines isn’t much of a hassle. And the kids don’t complain about it when all their friends are in boosters too.

They won’t be, though. Not by 4th or even 3rd grade.

Where I live, yes they are. And the ones that aren’t are physically bigger and don’t need them anymore.

Even if kids complain… who cares? My kids complain about having to brush their teeth and put on sunscreen. They have friends who don’t have the same rules around these things as we do. But we still do it and enforce our rules. My job as a parent is to give my child what they need, not to acquiesce every time sonething annoys or embarrassed them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a mom in my late 40s, and my kids were in car seats/boosters longer than their peers. But i do wonder from a pure public policy perspective if all this long term boostering makes sense. The reality is that car seats and boosters aren’t cheap and they seem to be used as a litmus test to show that poor people/people of color are “bad” parents that in some cases are BREAKING THE LAW. I also wonder how much there is a quiet car seat lobby driving all this.

I totally believe all the numbers about safety, but there are lots of things that would be safer that don’t get enacted into laws that are then used to tax poor people essentially who cannot afford them. But I also own my own business and have to run background checks on people that are hourly wage people. The amount of non-moving violations that are used against poor people because they cannot afford to get a headlight fixed, fix a seatbelt, etc, then they cannot pay the fine and then they get arrested when the cannot pay fines is just unbelievable.

There are lots of ways to get a free booster seat. This link is for DC, but every state in the US has programs like this: https://ddot.dc.gov/page/car-safety-seat-program

Going through the program is more work than buying it yourself. The forties mom has a very valid point.

+1 And requires time and energy to research and find the program.

Well yeah, having kids and keeping them safe requires time and energy. Finding a doctor when you’re pregnant requires time and energy. Sending your kid to school requires time and energy. Heck, buying a car seat even when you are not poor requires time and energy.

Kids require effort. Story at 11.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a mom in my late 40s, and my kids were in car seats/boosters longer than their peers. But i do wonder from a pure public policy perspective if all this long term boostering makes sense. The reality is that car seats and boosters aren’t cheap and they seem to be used as a litmus test to show that poor people/people of color are “bad” parents that in some cases are BREAKING THE LAW. I also wonder how much there is a quiet car seat lobby driving all this.

I totally believe all the numbers about safety, but there are lots of things that would be safer that don’t get enacted into laws that are then used to tax poor people essentially who cannot afford them. But I also own my own business and have to run background checks on people that are hourly wage people. The amount of non-moving violations that are used against poor people because they cannot afford to get a headlight fixed, fix a seatbelt, etc, then they cannot pay the fine and then they get arrested when the cannot pay fines is just unbelievable.

Infant seats and convertible seats can be expensive (though there are inexpensive options out there that meet all safety standards) but boosters, even high back harnessed boosters, can be much more affordable. I think ours cost like $60? You can get a backless booster for like $15. I’m sure as with anything, there are super high end versions of these that will cost a lot more, but the cheap ones, again, meet all safety standards and will significantly reduce risk of death or injury for a child in a car accident versus just a seat belt that is incorrectly positioned because of their size.

There are also many programs to provide free car seats and boosters to people who can’t afford them— our local fire house runs such a program and we donate to it every year.

While some people might use car seat standards to punish and harass poor people, I really do not think that is the goal behind the standards and recommendations. Those are driven by the fact that advocacy groups don’t want to see kids die in car accidents. Any kids.

Np. Small businesses Pp is right. This is another excessive burden on poor parents. $60 is a lot of money to a poor family. Also three car seats can’t fit in many small cars so you are effectively limiting the number of kids a poor person can have. And the expirations are an industry racket.

Yes car crashes are the number one way kids die. But its also still thankfully very rare, and most of those cases involve kids not even in seat belts and/or drunk driving caregivers. When we go to these zero sum extremes is when I believe we carry things too far and end up hurting families more than helping them.

Frankly I’d love to see more of that social investment/enforcement spent on public safety and ensuring safe walkable routes for kids and families and slowing cars down so that walkability is more feasible and kids spend less time in cars overall. Then we deal with both the obesity epidemic and car safety.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a mom in my late 40s, and my kids were in car seats/boosters longer than their peers. But i do wonder from a pure public policy perspective if all this long term boostering makes sense. The reality is that car seats and boosters aren’t cheap and they seem to be used as a litmus test to show that poor people/people of color are “bad” parents that in some cases are BREAKING THE LAW. I also wonder how much there is a quiet car seat lobby driving all this.

I totally believe all the numbers about safety, but there are lots of things that would be safer that don’t get enacted into laws that are then used to tax poor people essentially who cannot afford them. But I also own my own business and have to run background checks on people that are hourly wage people. The amount of non-moving violations that are used against poor people because they cannot afford to get a headlight fixed, fix a seatbelt, etc, then they cannot pay the fine and then they get arrested when the cannot pay fines is just unbelievable.

Infant seats and convertible seats can be expensive (though there are inexpensive options out there that meet all safety standards) but boosters, even high back harnessed boosters, can be much more affordable. I think ours cost like $60? You can get a backless booster for like $15. I’m sure as with anything, there are super high end versions of these that will cost a lot more, but the cheap ones, again, meet all safety standards and will significantly reduce risk of death or injury for a child in a car accident versus just a seat belt that is incorrectly positioned because of their size.

There are also many programs to provide free car seats and boosters to people who can’t afford them— our local fire house runs such a program and we donate to it every year.

While some people might use car seat standards to punish and harass poor people, I really do not think that is the goal behind the standards and recommendations. Those are driven by the fact that advocacy groups don’t want to see kids die in car accidents. Any kids.

Np. Small businesses Pp is right. This is another excessive burden on poor parents. $60 is a lot of money to a poor family. Also three car seats can’t fit in many small cars so you are effectively limiting the number of kids a poor person can have. And the expirations are an industry racket.

Yes car crashes are the number one way kids die. But its also still thankfully very rare, and most of those cases involve kids not even in seat belts and/or drunk driving caregivers. When we go to these zero sum extremes is when I believe we carry things too far and end up hurting families more than helping them.

Frankly I’d love to see more of that social investment/enforcement spent on public safety and ensuring safe walkable routes for kids and families and slowing cars down so that walkability is more feasible and kids spend less time in cars overall. Then we deal with both the obesity epidemic and car safety.

Have you not read the posts that on access to free car seats?

Also, from a practicality standpoint, if you are poor and own a car, I’m actually okay with car seat rules making it infeasible to have more kids. If that sounds harsh, fine. But as someone who grew up in a working class family with four kids they could not afford, and whose parents regularly skimped on safety or health because they couldn’t afford it, I don’t view that as a negative.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a mom in my late 40s, and my kids were in car seats/boosters longer than their peers. But i do wonder from a pure public policy perspective if all this long term boostering makes sense. The reality is that car seats and boosters aren’t cheap and they seem to be used as a litmus test to show that poor people/people of color are “bad” parents that in some cases are BREAKING THE LAW. I also wonder how much there is a quiet car seat lobby driving all this.

I totally believe all the numbers about safety, but there are lots of things that would be safer that don’t get enacted into laws that are then used to tax poor people essentially who cannot afford them. But I also own my own business and have to run background checks on people that are hourly wage people. The amount of non-moving violations that are used against poor people because they cannot afford to get a headlight fixed, fix a seatbelt, etc, then they cannot pay the fine and then they get arrested when the cannot pay fines is just unbelievable.

Infant seats and convertible seats can be expensive (though there are inexpensive options out there that meet all safety standards) but boosters, even high back harnessed boosters, can be much more affordable. I think ours cost like $60? You can get a backless booster for like $15. I’m sure as with anything, there are super high end versions of these that will cost a lot more, but the cheap ones, again, meet all safety standards and will significantly reduce risk of death or injury for a child in a car accident versus just a seat belt that is incorrectly positioned because of their size.

There are also many programs to provide free car seats and boosters to people who can’t afford them— our local fire house runs such a program and we donate to it every year.

While some people might use car seat standards to punish and harass poor people, I really do not think that is the goal behind the standards and recommendations. Those are driven by the fact that advocacy groups don’t want to see kids die in car accidents. Any kids.

Lol no, the goal is to enrich the car seat manufacturers. You’d better cut the straps on that lightly-used $200 car seat and set it out next to your trash can, anything else would be unsafe!

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Anonymous wrote:My kids RF til 4 and didn’t sit in a backless booster til age 8. So I think most would say I’m pretty strict about car seat safety. But I don’t feel the need to defend/justify my choice or preach about it to others. I don’t discuss it w people unless they ask. And my dad and FIL would not even know and have never asked. I have to think you’re the type to be preachy about your decisions, especially parenting decisions for your people to react by groaning and giving you a hard time.

How does this even come up in conversation? You said it doesn’t bother your kids so I doubt they talk about it.

I don’t preach about it. I’m not sure where it was implied that I did?

How did the topic come up? Well, when my we visit my in-laws or parents or when they my kids will be in their vehicle. They both live close by and sometimes they have my children in their care and yes, in their car. My stepmother and MIL seem to have zero issues and will happily let me install our extra seats in their car but everyone my dad will make a comment and it just gets old.

It’s implied in the fact your dad complains and groans about it. Who does that unless they’re sick of hearing you preach about it? Maybe your dad is just a PITA. That seems likely.

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My parents always act surprised about car seat stuff: we RF our kids til they were 4, used 5-point harness til they were 7-ish, high back boosters til 8-9 (age our kids are currently) and the plan is backless boosters til age 11-12, always backseat until age 13-14 even for short distances and yes we have gotten plenty of comments on that. Oh well! Just ignore and carry on.

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Anonymous wrote:I have yet to see an 11 year old in a high back booster. Good luck with that.

Ours was in a booster till 11 or so till they fit properly. No big deal. Its called parenting.

A high-back booster? That is what PP said, not general “booster.” Which was it?