An excellent article on the Right-wing misuse of classical education

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Anonymous wrote:Fwiw, liberal parents tolerated progressive teaching in schools for a long time, willing to trust that their kids would be okay, even if they were not taught how to read, write, spell, multiply, divide, taught history or science, etc. And for the most, part, with the help of tutors, the kids were fine.

Then the pandemic and virtual school happened and liberal parents realized that school needs to change.

A few conservatives complaining about schools just get ignored. Parents, liberal parents, make changes.

Conservative parents get ignored because they hyperbolically lie, exaggerate and distort, and are not to be believed.

The rest of us will change what needs to be changed.

Hyperbolically lie, exaggerate and distort? That kind of sounds like what liberal cities and teachers unions did during the pandemic. The policies of the Left were objectively wrong, yet the people trading in common sense at the time were called racist, conspiracy theorists, and much worse. I recall in the Spring of 2022 literally being told on Twitter that I would cause a racial genocide for advocating for the lifting of mask mandates in DCPS schools. I really loved this snippet from the NYT this weekend ...

"Many liberals overstated Covid’s dangers to the non-elderly, especially children. Partly for that reason, Democratic-run communities closed schools for longer. It was a bad trade-off: These areas did not have noticeably less Covid, and their children struggled more. The left also appears to have been wrong about long-term mask mandates (which had little effect) and wrong to dismiss the lab-leak theory (which, contrary to being a bigoted conspiracy theory, remains plausible)."

Its an absolute scandal that our children were used as a Teachers Union bargaining chip, and that parents in liberal cities refuse to hold their leaders accountable. My daughter was three when the pandemic started. She is seven now. In that time period she has never seen a teacher's mouth move. (Yep, her 25 y/o teacher is STILL masking.) She has literacy and articulation issues. SURPRISE!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The right wants to justify publicly funding privately operated schools so their kids don’t have to go to school with black people.

This is it. There is still a large portion of our society who do not want integrated schools. DC is a prime example of this! The rich white parents (regardless of political affiliation) do not want their kids in DC public schools. The comments in the DCPS forum on Banneker HS are atrocious.

Wrong and Wrong. These parents do not want their kids subjected to fake history (such as the 1619 project), CRT, and other bullshit that is not how to read, write, science or math. They actually care what their kids are learning and want them succeed in life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The right wants to justify publicly funding privately operated schools so their kids don’t have to go to school with black people.

This is it. There is still a large portion of our society who do not want integrated schools. DC is a prime example of this! The rich white parents (regardless of political affiliation) do not want their kids in DC public schools. The comments in the DCPS forum on Banneker HS are atrocious.

You say that but you are ignoring the fact that rich black parents (regardless of political affiliation) do not want their kid sin DC public schools. Nor do not-so-rich white parents and not-so-rich black parents.

The framing of your post perpetuates problems.

Not really. My comment is a reflection of my experience.

MSM propaganda has taught you well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The right wants to justify publicly funding privately operated schools so their kids don’t have to go to school with black people.

This is it. There is still a large portion of our society who do not want integrated schools. DC is a prime example of this! The rich white parents (regardless of political affiliation) do not want their kids in DC public schools. The comments in the DCPS forum on Banneker HS are atrocious.

Wrong and Wrong. These parents do not want their kids subjected to fake history (such as the 1619 project), CRT, and other bullshit that is not how to read, write, science or math. They actually care what their kids are learning and want them succeed in life.

You can’t handle the truth!

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I'd take anything published in the Atlantic with a serious grain of salt. There's no denying those on the progressive left look at classical education with skepticism, seeing it as the origin of all the "isms" that plague society, as they see it.

Education is always political, which is what the left ignores when the proclaim they know best. People quarrel over the best educational approach for children and how to teach subjects properly. Naturally there are going to be strenuous disagreements over teachings of controversial topics like transgenders and gender theories or 1619 as some people see those are genuine while others see them as not factual or scientific but ideological.

That essentially makes it political. So I have little sympathy when progressive leftists freak out about conservatives wanting to readdress the educational model because they're only doing what the left already does, using politics and appointees to dictate the curriculum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'd take anything published in the Atlantic with a serious grain of salt. There's no denying those on the progressive left look at classical education with skepticism, seeing it as the origin of all the "isms" that plague society, as they see it.

Education is always political, which is what the left ignores when the proclaim they know best. People quarrel over the best educational approach for children and how to teach subjects properly. Naturally there are going to be strenuous disagreements over teachings of controversial topics like transgenders and gender theories or 1619 as some people see those are genuine while others see them as not factual or scientific but ideological.

That essentially makes it political. So I have little sympathy when progressive leftists freak out about conservatives wanting to readdress the educational model because they're only doing what the left already does, using politics and appointees to dictate the curriculum.

History is complicated and layered. It isn’t a bunch of fairy tales. Academic freedom and intellectual freedom are essential. Anti-intellectual fundamentalism always wants to shut them down and dictate that everyone should be stupid and compliant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd take anything published in the Atlantic with a serious grain of salt. There's no denying those on the progressive left look at classical education with skepticism, seeing it as the origin of all the "isms" that plague society, as they see it.

Education is always political, which is what the left ignores when the proclaim they know best. People quarrel over the best educational approach for children and how to teach subjects properly. Naturally there are going to be strenuous disagreements over teachings of controversial topics like transgenders and gender theories or 1619 as some people see those are genuine while others see them as not factual or scientific but ideological.

That essentially makes it political. So I have little sympathy when progressive leftists freak out about conservatives wanting to readdress the educational model because they're only doing what the left already does, using politics and appointees to dictate the curriculum.

History is complicated and layered. It isn’t a bunch of fairy tales. Academic freedom and intellectual freedom are essential. Anti-intellectual fundamentalism always wants to shut them down and dictate that everyone should be stupid and compliant.

That sounds pretty absolute. Which means you're not interested in discussion, your mind is already made up. Already fixed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd take anything published in the Atlantic with a serious grain of salt. There's no denying those on the progressive left look at classical education with skepticism, seeing it as the origin of all the "isms" that plague society, as they see it.

Education is always political, which is what the left ignores when the proclaim they know best. People quarrel over the best educational approach for children and how to teach subjects properly. Naturally there are going to be strenuous disagreements over teachings of controversial topics like transgenders and gender theories or 1619 as some people see those are genuine while others see them as not factual or scientific but ideological.

That essentially makes it political. So I have little sympathy when progressive leftists freak out about conservatives wanting to readdress the educational model because they're only doing what the left already does, using politics and appointees to dictate the curriculum.

History is complicated and layered. It isn’t a bunch of fairy tales. Academic freedom and intellectual freedom are essential. Anti-intellectual fundamentalism always wants to shut them down and dictate that everyone should be stupid and compliant.

The 1619 project is a fairy tale. One of many.

[Anonymous]

I was taught George Washington chopped down a cherry tree but could not tell a lie and confessed to the misdeed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was taught George Washington chopped down a cherry tree but could not tell a lie and confessed to the misdeed.

Meanwhile. I was not taught that Thomas “Self Evident Truths” Jefferson was raping his slave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The right wants to justify publicly funding privately operated schools so their kids don’t have to go to school with black people.

This is it. There is still a large portion of our society who do not want integrated schools. DC is a prime example of this! The rich white parents (regardless of political affiliation) do not want their kids in DC public schools. The comments in the DCPS forum on Banneker HS are atrocious.

Wrong and Wrong. These parents do not want their kids subjected to fake history (such as the 1619 project), CRT, and other bullshit that is not how to read, write, science or math. They actually care what their kids are learning and want them succeed in life.

You can’t handle the truth!

Tell yourself that:

"Baltimore high schoolers barely able to read or do math past elementary levels"

The iReady test is given three times over the course of an academic year to track progress. In a reading assessment, out of nine students who completed it, only two scored at a high school level. One scored at a seventh-grade level, while the other six scored at an elementary school level.

In math, out of the seven students who completed the assessment, only two scored at a high school level. The others, who are in grade 11 in Baltimore City Schools, scored at an elementary level.

Based on this last part, must be the future congress in training right here. More people that can't balance a budget.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd take anything published in the Atlantic with a serious grain of salt. There's no denying those on the progressive left look at classical education with skepticism, seeing it as the origin of all the "isms" that plague society, as they see it.

Education is always political, which is what the left ignores when the proclaim they know best. People quarrel over the best educational approach for children and how to teach subjects properly. Naturally there are going to be strenuous disagreements over teachings of controversial topics like transgenders and gender theories or 1619 as some people see those are genuine while others see them as not factual or scientific but ideological.

That essentially makes it political. So I have little sympathy when progressive leftists freak out about conservatives wanting to readdress the educational model because they're only doing what the left already does, using politics and appointees to dictate the curriculum.

History is complicated and layered. It isn’t a bunch of fairy tales. Academic freedom and intellectual freedom are essential. Anti-intellectual fundamentalism always wants to shut them down and dictate that everyone should be stupid and compliant.

That sounds pretty absolute. Which means you're not interested in discussion, your mind is already made up. Already fixed.

I’m not the one banning ideas and harassing teachers and librarians. I’m for freedom of thought and you are for the state controlling what you can think and read and teach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd take anything published in the Atlantic with a serious grain of salt. There's no denying those on the progressive left look at classical education with skepticism, seeing it as the origin of all the "isms" that plague society, as they see it.

Education is always political, which is what the left ignores when the proclaim they know best. People quarrel over the best educational approach for children and how to teach subjects properly. Naturally there are going to be strenuous disagreements over teachings of controversial topics like transgenders and gender theories or 1619 as some people see those are genuine while others see them as not factual or scientific but ideological.

That essentially makes it political. So I have little sympathy when progressive leftists freak out about conservatives wanting to readdress the educational model because they're only doing what the left already does, using politics and appointees to dictate the curriculum.

History is complicated and layered. It isn’t a bunch of fairy tales. Academic freedom and intellectual freedom are essential. Anti-intellectual fundamentalism always wants to shut them down and dictate that everyone should be stupid and compliant.

The 1619 project is a fairy tale. One of many.

Read it and then refute. I dare you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was taught George Washington chopped down a cherry tree but could not tell a lie and confessed to the misdeed.

Meanwhile. I was not taught that Thomas “Self Evident Truths” Jefferson was raping his slave.

We can't know the nature of the relationship between Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemming.

She chose to forego her freedom in Paris and return to the US a slave of Thomas Jefferson. And, it would have been illegal for them to be in a romantic relationship or marriage. The historically, intellectually, and emotionally accurate interpretation is that he had a family with one of his slaves and that there is not enough information to determine the extent to which she consented. All of her children were free, and the only record we have of her choosing between freedom and TJ, she chose TJ. People are more than their color and circumstances, and are capable of loving each other, so we can't just declare it rape when we don't know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was taught George Washington chopped down a cherry tree but could not tell a lie and confessed to the misdeed.

I was taught he was an inspirational leader and an admirable person. He also was a complex person who owned slaves and enjoyed a very nice life due to their labor.