An excellent article on the Right-wing misuse of classical education

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Anonymous wrote:Fwiw, liberal parents tolerated progressive teaching in schools for a long time, willing to trust that their kids would be okay, even if they were not taught how to read, write, spell, multiply, divide, taught history or science, etc. And for the most, part, with the help of tutors, the kids were fine.

Then the pandemic and virtual school happened and liberal parents realized that school needs to change.

A few conservatives complaining about schools just get ignored. Parents, liberal parents, make changes.

Kids today are smarter and better educated than ever.

They should be. Their parents are spending a fortune on tutors. Much more than previous generations.

Which makes some sense - there is way more to know. Despite the reflexively cynical commentary you often hear on how much dumber everyone is getting; humans are developing knowledge at a frenetic pace. Some huge chunk of what humanity knows has been learned in the last 50 years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fwiw, liberal parents tolerated progressive teaching in schools for a long time, willing to trust that their kids would be okay, even if they were not taught how to read, write, spell, multiply, divide, taught history or science, etc. And for the most, part, with the help of tutors, the kids were fine.

Then the pandemic and virtual school happened and liberal parents realized that school needs to change.

A few conservatives complaining about schools just get ignored. Parents, liberal parents, make changes.

Kids today are smarter and better educated than ever.

Pull the other one, it’s got bells on it.

Thank you for illustrating my point.

OK, on what basis do you make your claim that “[k]ids today are smarter and better educated than ever“?

Flynn effect.

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Anonymous wrote:The woke tide that is coming will wash all this right wing nonsense away. College graduations this month are sending so many thousands of progressive activists out into the world. The historic legacy of Trump and MAGA will be the backlash against them in this generation that is creating a powerful progressive force.

Sure. Uh huh.
When they get their first real job and check out the taxes they are paying their views will move more rightward.
And, when they move to a big city to work and are victims of crime they will move even farther right.
The indoctrination they received in college will soon be challenged by reality.

DP. Nope. GOP is finished.

You know the GOP holds the majority of seats in the House, right? And are close to taking control of the Senate, right? And came within 50,000 votes in a few swing states to re-electing Trump, right? And the GOP holds the majority of governorships and controls the majority of state legislatures.

The GOP’s demise has been greatly exaggerated.

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Anonymous wrote:The woke tide that is coming will wash all this right wing nonsense away. College graduations this month are sending so many thousands of progressive activists out into the world. The historic legacy of Trump and MAGA will be the backlash against them in this generation that is creating a powerful progressive force.

Sure. Uh huh.
When they get their first real job and check out the taxes they are paying their views will move more rightward.
And, when they move to a big city to work and are victims of crime they will move even farther right.
The indoctrination they received in college will soon be challenged by reality.

Actually, millennials are becoming LESS conservative as they age: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/financial-times-millennials-conservatives-age-b2253902.html

This article is primarily about their views on economics.
Biden will destroy this trend..... life is harder for them now than 4 years ago.

Uh huh. You know what issues Gen Z & millennials care about? Abortion access, student loan forgiveness, gun control, environmental protection, progressive taxation & worker’s rights.

You left out supporting affirmative action and a more enlightened approach toward policing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The woke tide that is coming will wash all this right wing nonsense away. College graduations this month are sending so many thousands of progressive activists out into the world. The historic legacy of Trump and MAGA will be the backlash against them in this generation that is creating a powerful progressive force.

Sure. Uh huh.
When they get their first real job and check out the taxes they are paying their views will move more rightward.
And, when they move to a big city to work and are victims of crime they will move even farther right.
The indoctrination they received in college will soon be challenged by reality.

It’s not 2003. “Low taxes” are far from the only issue at stake. There are no more Bushes or Romneys.

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Practice is what works. Practice works for athletes. Practice works for math and spelling bees. American children and teens will not spend time practicing academics. End of story. AI will eliminate most jobs requiring more than a button pusher. Americans should wear our laziness like a badge of honor.

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Anonymous wrote:Practice is what works. Practice works for athletes. Practice works for math and spelling bees. American children and teens will not spend time practicing academics. End of story. AI will eliminate most jobs requiring more than a button pusher. Americans should wear our laziness like a badge of honor.

You mean creativity, rebelliousness and ability to innovate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The right wants to justify publicly funding privately operated schools so their kids don’t have to go to school with black people.

This is it. There is still a large portion of our society who do not want integrated schools. DC is a prime example of this! The rich white parents (regardless of political affiliation) do not want their kids in DC public schools. The comments in the DCPS forum on Banneker HS are atrocious.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The right wants to justify publicly funding privately operated schools so their kids don’t have to go to school with black people.

This is it. There is still a large portion of our society who do not want integrated schools. DC is a prime example of this! The rich white parents (regardless of political affiliation) do not want their kids in DC public schools. The comments in the DCPS forum on Banneker HS are atrocious.

You say that but you are ignoring the fact that rich black parents (regardless of political affiliation) do not want their kid sin DC public schools. Nor do not-so-rich white parents and not-so-rich black parents.

The framing of your post perpetuates problems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The right wants to justify publicly funding privately operated schools so their kids don’t have to go to school with black people.

This is it. There is still a large portion of our society who do not want integrated schools. DC is a prime example of this! The rich white parents (regardless of political affiliation) do not want their kids in DC public schools. The comments in the DCPS forum on Banneker HS are atrocious.

You say that but you are ignoring the fact that rich black parents (regardless of political affiliation) do not want their kid sin DC public schools. Nor do not-so-rich white parents and not-so-rich black parents.

The framing of your post perpetuates problems.

Not really. My comment is a reflection of my experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The woke tide that is coming will wash all this right wing nonsense away. College graduations this month are sending so many thousands of progressive activists out into the world. The historic legacy of Trump and MAGA will be the backlash against them in this generation that is creating a powerful progressive force.

Sure. Uh huh.
When they get their first real job and check out the taxes they are paying their views will move more rightward.
And, when they move to a big city to work and are victims of crime they will move even farther right.
The indoctrination they received in college will soon be challenged by reality.

Actually, millennials are becoming LESS conservative as they age: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/financial-times-millennials-conservatives-age-b2253902.html

This article is primarily about their views on economics.
Biden will destroy this trend..... life is harder for them now than 4 years ago.

Uh huh. You know what issues Gen Z & millennials care about? Abortion access, student loan forgiveness, gun control, environmental protection, progressive taxation & worker’s rights.

This. Plus, considering the fact that unemployment is extremely low, Biden is doing ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The right wants to justify publicly funding privately operated schools so their kids don’t have to go to school with black people.

This is it. There is still a large portion of our society who do not want integrated schools. DC is a prime example of this! The rich white parents (regardless of political affiliation) do not want their kids in DC public schools. The comments in the DCPS forum on Banneker HS are atrocious.

You say that but you are ignoring the fact that rich black parents (regardless of political affiliation) do not want their kid sin DC public schools. Nor do not-so-rich white parents and not-so-rich black parents.

The framing of your post perpetuates problems.

I'm black. HHI $800k. My kids went to DCPS, as did many of their well to do friends. Guess what, they can even read.

[Anonymous]

Part of the problem is the sheer magnitude of wealth disparity. Very rich people do not want their kids having to interact with very poor people.

I grew up in a small city of about 50,000 people. Everyone went to the same school system, feeding into one high school, and it was invaluable. There was a small Catholic school that took K-8, but otherwise, there weren't any private options. Having kids from the richest and the poorest families going to school together helped with the education of all of the kids; kept people out of their bubbles a little bit; and helped the community -- since the education of all of the kids rose and fell together.

It only worked, I think, because the rich weren't enormously rich and there weren't a great number of truly poor kids. Still, in the areas where it is possible, I think that's the kind of cross-section of families and students we should aspire to having in the mix.

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Anonymous wrote:Part of the problem is the sheer magnitude of wealth disparity. Very rich people do not want their kids having to interact with very poor people.

I grew up in a small city of about 50,000 people. Everyone went to the same school system, feeding into one high school, and it was invaluable. There was a small Catholic school that took K-8, but otherwise, there weren't any private options. Having kids from the richest and the poorest families going to school together helped with the education of all of the kids; kept people out of their bubbles a little bit; and helped the community -- since the education of all of the kids rose and fell together.

It only worked, I think, because the rich weren't enormously rich and there weren't a great number of truly poor kids. Still, in the areas where it is possible, I think that's the kind of cross-section of families and students we should aspire to having in the mix.

It’s because there has been a war on poor people. Republicans think they’re lazy fraudsters and liberals think they’re not smart but neither want their kids around them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Part of the problem is the sheer magnitude of wealth disparity. Very rich people do not want their kids having to interact with very poor people.

I grew up in a small city of about 50,000 people. Everyone went to the same school system, feeding into one high school, and it was invaluable. There was a small Catholic school that took K-8, but otherwise, there weren't any private options. Having kids from the richest and the poorest families going to school together helped with the education of all of the kids; kept people out of their bubbles a little bit; and helped the community -- since the education of all of the kids rose and fell together.

It only worked, I think, because the rich weren't enormously rich and there weren't a great number of truly poor kids. Still, in the areas where it is possible, I think that's the kind of cross-section of families and students we should aspire to having in the mix.

It’s because there has been a war on poor people. Republicans think they’re lazy fraudsters and liberals think they’re not smart but neither want their kids around them.

There's also racism and Puritanism in the mix. Part of the reason we don't have a stronger safety net like you see in a lot of European countries is that "we" don't regard a lot of the members in our society as "us." This is particularly acute when it comes to white and black; and especially in places that historically relied heavily on slavery as an economic model. People are generally willing to be taxed for benefits that they regard as going to other members of the tribe but very unwilling if they think the taxes are going to go to "them" (with "them" being someone outside of what they regard as their tribe.)

Our historical Puritanism plays into it because it's helped us come to regard possession of wealth as an indication of virtue (e.g. industry and thrift) and God's grace; whereas we have come to regard poverty as a sign of vice (e.g. sloth) and of God's disfavor. In this context, a social safety net is a moral hazard - discouraging virtuous behavior - and goes against God's will.