This board has been taken over by weight loss drug threads

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Anonymous wrote:What does it all mean?

It means that UMC, largely white women, are still obsessed with being thin, and particularly the idea that thinness is easily attainable for most of us.

I think semaglutides can be very helpful for people who suffer from obesity. That’s not most of DCUM.

Promise plenty of us are obese. Including me.

I wonder if you don’t realize it because you think of it as an insult for someone who looks disgusting rather than a medical diagnosis.

Nope. Try again. PP is right - these threads should be on the Health and Medicine forum since obesity is a disease with significant heritability.

This forum is incredibly hostile to people who are overweight or obese, or even anyone of average weight, frankly. Look at the recent thread insisting that a good guideline for women’s weight is 100 pounds +5 pounds for any inch over 5 feet tall. That the semaglutides threads pop here, instead of Health and Medicine, demonstrates how most of DCUM views obesity: something that can be easily adjusted with diet and exercise, rather than what it actually is.

LOL you’re quoting me and I *am* the PP who said these threads should be in Health. I don’t know what you think you’re rebutting in my quoted post…

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Anonymous wrote:Anybody that has done any amount of work in the pharma space would realize the goal in life is to avoid big pharma. The drugs are great, but I’m not so sure saddling yourself with that addiction is worth it.

Weird, I have spent my whole career working in pharma and I think these drugs are on par with vaccines for meaningfully changing health outcomes at the population level. So I guess not “anybody.”

The goal would still be to avoid all these interventions in the first instance.

We tried that, it was a failure. Every single method.

This is not universally true. Not everyone needs to resort to drugs to control their weight. The defeatist attitude about all this gets to be a little tired.

It is absolutely, positively a failure at population level. No population has reduced its weight long term through any known weight loss technique.

You’re tired? I’m tired of people holding up small minorities of populations as evidence of efficacy of known techniques. It’s scientifically illiterate BS.

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Anonymous wrote:Anybody that has done any amount of work in the pharma space would realize the goal in life is to avoid big pharma. The drugs are great, but I’m not so sure saddling yourself with that addiction is worth it.

Weird, I have spent my whole career working in pharma and I think these drugs are on par with vaccines for meaningfully changing health outcomes at the population level. So I guess not “anybody.”

The goal would still be to avoid all these interventions in the first instance.

We tried that, it was a failure. Every single method.

This is not universally true. Not everyone needs to resort to drugs to control their weight. The defeatist attitude about all this gets to be a little tired.

You know what’s really tiring? All the fat shaming. Now there’s a drug that might actually make a difference, and here you are judging people as “giving up.” Do you tell diabetics to just try a little harder to control how they process sugar? I’m sure you must be fun around those with cancer. After all , it must be their fault.

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Anonymous wrote:You can treat depression without pharmaceuticals but thankfully people have mostly evolved past calling people “lazy” for taking “happy pills.”

Although to be perfectly honest I don’t care what anyone thinks of me for taking semaglutide. I have regular obesity not caused by trauma or marathon training or some rare disorder. I’ve lost and gained a lot of weight by a lot of methods and I am morally the same now as then. I’ve never heard a valid argument for why dieting without meds is moral but dieting with meds is immoral or why one is “lazy.”

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I’m fat now after a lifetime of working incredibly hard to lose weight and maintain weight loss. All the drugs have done is quiet constant food chatter.

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Anonymous wrote:People are lazy and vain.

How many marathons have YOU run? Because I promise you I’m not the only multiple marathon finisher who’s on these meds because I’m at risk for serious health problems.

Did you run those marathons, or primarily walk them?

The poster used the word run.

Reading is fundamental.

If you're running (as opposed to "running") marathons and are obese, you're eating way, way, way too much. And eating way too much of the wrong foods.

Possibly, but marathon running can paradoxically make you very hungry and prevents weight loss for some people.

As someone who has run a few marathons I can’t even tell you how many fat people have blown by me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Totally agree OP. They should all be in the 'beauty' forum, since they have nothing to do with diet or exercise.

You don’t lose weight on the meds without also paying attention to diet and exercise. There are people for whom the meds aren’t effective because they don’t change their diet.

Yup. Just spend some time on the semaglutides Facebook page or read the studies. Doesn’t work when you don’t put forth the effort.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:yeah and it's pretty sad really.

It really is! These medications need to be more readily available and need to be more affordable. It’s sad that so many people die each year from obesity related diseases.

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You definitely still have to change your diet, it’s just easier to do it if the drugs work for you.

It’s kind of like if you had to walk 100 miles and you were barefoot and then someone offered you socks and boots and a good coat. Can you walk 100 miles without that stuff? Yes! You can also make shoes from bark. But is it “the easy way out” to take the shoes? I don’t care what you think, I’m taking the shoes. I’m so grateful for the shoes. I’m doing great with the shoes, and walking farther each day than I knew I was capable of doing.

If you want to snipe at me from the sidelines and make fun of my shoes and tell me what a bad or inadequate person I am, well, that’s really your business.

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Anonymous wrote:You can treat depression without pharmaceuticals but thankfully people have mostly evolved past calling people “lazy” for taking “happy pills.”

Although to be perfectly honest I don’t care what anyone thinks of me for taking semaglutide. I have regular obesity not caused by trauma or marathon training or some rare disorder. I’ve lost and gained a lot of weight by a lot of methods and I am morally the same now as then. I’ve never heard a valid argument for why dieting without meds is moral but dieting with meds is immoral or why one is “lazy.”

+1

I’m fat now after a lifetime of working incredibly hard to lose weight and maintain weight loss. All the drugs have done is quiet constant food chatter.

Thanks to semaglutides, I’m no longer fat. The “food chatter” in my head is gone. It’s been a game changer. There is research about using this drug to deal with addictions to alcohol and drugs. It makes perfect sense.

People who proclaim that just a little will power is all that is needed have never dealt with that noise in their head.

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Anonymous wrote:Anybody that has done any amount of work in the pharma space would realize the goal in life is to avoid big pharma. The drugs are great, but I’m not so sure saddling yourself with that addiction is worth it.

Weird, I have spent my whole career working in pharma and I think these drugs are on par with vaccines for meaningfully changing health outcomes at the population level. So I guess not “anybody.”

The goal would still be to avoid all these interventions in the first instance.

We tried that, it was a failure. Every single method.

This is not universally true. Not everyone needs to resort to drugs to control their weight. The defeatist attitude about all this gets to be a little tired.

I guess 90% is “universal,” but it’s a pretty big chunk of people. https://www.michiganmedicine.org/health-lab/weighing-facts-tough-truth-about-weight-loss

Since it bears repeating: I know my part in getting to obesity. I also know the parts that were out of my conscious control. I know that I’m able to lose about a pound a month and then maintain that “loss” for months. I also know that my doctor isn’t medically bothered by my obesity because all my markers are healthy so long as I keep exercising.

Why people like you insist that it’s sooooo easy and achievable is the weirdest gaslighting. I’m getting weight loss drugs because I’m sick of feeling ugly and invisible, but I don’t hate my body or myself. I do feel pity for you fat shamers though. It’s always going to be snapping at your heels and if it ever catches you, you’ll hate yourself more than you ever hated us fatties.

[Anonymous]

What about the possible long term side effects?
I'm 52, diabetic and technically obese. Borderline high blood pressure. I'm also physically disabled.

One of the possible side effects is new or worsening diabetic retinopathy. I already have that. Plus other meds I'm on could interact.

When I see people on here wondering how to get an Rx I wonder if all of the pros and cons have been weighed. Phen Phen was great, too.

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Anonymous wrote:because it is the wave of the future. Give it five years and I'll bet the drugs are easily available OTC and cheap and a significant portion of the population will be taking them.

And then we’ll see yet another increase of special needs.

I had a crazy uber driver in Texas who was also into the big pharma is evil and intentionally causing autism thing. He also believed that everyone should carry a gun to reduce crime. I'm guessing you and he read the same conspiracy theory websites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about the possible long term side effects?
I'm 52, diabetic and technically obese. Borderline high blood pressure. I'm also physically disabled.

One of the possible side effects is new or worsening diabetic retinopathy. I already have that. Plus other meds I'm on could interact.

When I see people on here wondering how to get an Rx I wonder if all of the pros and cons have been weighed. Phen Phen was great, too.

These medications have been in use 11 years. What side effects in the treated population are you worried about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about the possible long term side effects?
I'm 52, diabetic and technically obese. Borderline high blood pressure. I'm also physically disabled.

One of the possible side effects is new or worsening diabetic retinopathy. I already have that. Plus other meds I'm on could interact.

When I see people on here wondering how to get an Rx I wonder if all of the pros and cons have been weighed. Phen Phen was great, too.

Fen-Phen was never FDA approved in combination. Additionally, it was used for under 5 years before the Fen being taken off the market in 1997.

Oxempic and by extension Wegovy (as it’s the exact same medication) has been used longer and both medications have been approved by the FDA for their usage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about the possible long term side effects?
I'm 52, diabetic and technically obese. Borderline high blood pressure. I'm also physically disabled.

One of the possible side effects is new or worsening diabetic retinopathy. I already have that. Plus other meds I'm on could interact.

When I see people on here wondering how to get an Rx I wonder if all of the pros and cons have been weighed. Phen Phen was great, too.

Fen-Phen was never FDA approved in combination. Additionally, it was used for under 5 years before the Fen being taken off the market in 1997.

Oxempic and by extension Wegovy (as it’s the exact same medication) has been used longer and both medications have been approved by the FDA for their usage.

Pp you quoted here. I didn't realize fen phen was only around for 5 years.