Liz Holmes Wants You to Forget About Elizabeth

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow - I can't believe I read this in The NY Times. Are they publishing articles meant for VOGUE now? This reminds me so much of that "rose in the desert" article written about the First Lady of Syria, that I had to check to see if it was the same author.

The Vogue article (thank God Gawker saved it because Vogue erased it): https://www.gawker.com/asma-al-assad-a-rose-in-the-desert-1265002284

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I did walk away from the piece with a lot of sympathy for her children and the cruelties of the American justice system in separating mothers from their children, it's wrong when it's poor women of color, and it's wrong when it's a privileged white women. And you can't have sympathy for children, maybe you are also a sociopath. She's also a rape victim who was clearly under the thumb of a much older, abusive dude. Again, if you can't have sympathy for that, maybe you are a sociopath. Should she go to prison? Yes. Should be separated from her children for 12 years? No. To me it is interesting that she never sold her shares. She didn't make any money. She went down with the ship. A true sociopath would be in the Caymans right now.

There is no evidence that Sunny was abusive. She literally was just trying the “blame the brown guy” defense. Everyone who worked with her said that she was running the show. This is part of her MO when she needs something she adopts a new persona and gets a new guy to help. Needs an early investor on a crap idea? Starts dating Sunny. Needs someone to pay her legal bills? Find this new dude who wouldn’t you know it is a trust fund baby. It’s part of the grift.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I look forward to the next installment of this fascinating NYT series on rehabbing white collar criminals: "Samuel wants you to forget about 'SBF.' " Followed by "Jeff Skilling wants you to forget about Enron."

Nauseating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did walk away from the piece with a lot of sympathy for her children and the cruelties of the American justice system in separating mothers from their children, it's wrong when it's poor women of color, and it's wrong when it's a privileged white women. And you can't have sympathy for children, maybe you are also a sociopath. She's also a rape victim who was clearly under the thumb of a much older, abusive dude. Again, if you can't have sympathy for that, maybe you are a sociopath. Should she go to prison? Yes. Should be separated from her children for 12 years? No. To me it is interesting that she never sold her shares. She didn't make any money. She went down with the ship. A true sociopath would be in the Caymans right now.

There is no evidence that Sunny was abusive. She literally was just trying the “blame the brown guy” defense. Everyone who worked with her said that she was running the show. This is part of her MO when she needs something she adopts a new persona and gets a new guy to help. Needs an early investor on a crap idea? Starts dating Sunny. Needs someone to pay her legal bills? Find this new dude who wouldn’t you know it is a trust fund baby. It’s part of the grift.

+1 And you forgot one - need to try and skip out on federal prison? Have a couple of kids and then say they shouldn’t be separated from their mother.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did walk away from the piece with a lot of sympathy for her children and the cruelties of the American justice system in separating mothers from their children, it's wrong when it's poor women of color, and it's wrong when it's a privileged white women. And you can't have sympathy for children, maybe you are also a sociopath. She's also a rape victim who was clearly under the thumb of a much older, abusive dude. Again, if you can't have sympathy for that, maybe you are a sociopath. Should she go to prison? Yes. Should be separated from her children for 12 years? No. To me it is interesting that she never sold her shares. She didn't make any money. She went down with the ship. A true sociopath would be in the Caymans right now.

There is no evidence that Sunny was abusive. She literally was just trying the “blame the brown guy” defense. Everyone who worked with her said that she was running the show. This is part of her MO when she needs something she adopts a new persona and gets a new guy to help. Needs an early investor on a crap idea? Starts dating Sunny. Needs someone to pay her legal bills? Find this new dude who wouldn’t you know it is a trust fund baby. It’s part of the grift.

x10000

New crime, new victim, new crime, new victim, repeat......

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Holmes knew her technology was scientifically impossible when a female mentor professor told her so at Stanford. She deliberately misled everyone from the word go.

She is a malignant narcissist, if you needed no other proof the fact that she intentionally brought two children into the world knowing full well she was likely headed to prison for a decade is all the evidence you need. She could have waited. If she cared about the well being of her children, she would have waited.

She refuses to be accountable and shows no remorse. Malignant narcissist, possibly a sociopath. She belongs in prison where she cannot run another grift for a decade or so.

I agree with everything else you wrote, but, as she says in the article, she couldn't really have waited if she wanted to have kids. She's 39.

[Anonymous]

DCUM posters aren't the only ones who think this NYT interview/article is ridiculous.

NY Times blasted over ‘puff piece’ on convicted fraudster Elizabeth Holmes: ‘Nice to be a pretty white lady’
https://nypost.com/2023/05/08/ny-times-blasted-for-elizabeth-holmes-puff-piece/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did walk away from the piece with a lot of sympathy for her children and the cruelties of the American justice system in separating mothers from their children, it's wrong when it's poor women of color, and it's wrong when it's a privileged white women. And you can't have sympathy for children, maybe you are also a sociopath. She's also a rape victim who was clearly under the thumb of a much older, abusive dude. Again, if you can't have sympathy for that, maybe you are a sociopath. Should she go to prison? Yes. Should be separated from her children for 12 years? No. To me it is interesting that she never sold her shares. She didn't make any money. She went down with the ship. A true sociopath would be in the Caymans right now.

There is no evidence that Sunny was abusive. She literally was just trying the “blame the brown guy” defense. Everyone who worked with her said that she was running the show. This is part of her MO when she needs something she adopts a new persona and gets a new guy to help. Needs an early investor on a crap idea? Starts dating Sunny. Needs someone to pay her legal bills? Find this new dude who wouldn’t you know it is a trust fund baby. It’s part of the grift.

Or you are playing "drag the woman" -which is pretty much the oldest trick in the book. He was dating an 18 year old when he was 37 (and married) - so he's an ephebophilie - and the age and power differential is textbook set-up for, at minimum, emotional abuse. And there was third-testimony about the emotional abuse. Elizabeth also recounted physical and sexual abuse by him. So, yes, there was evidence of abuse at trial. She can be awful, but he's clearly a pervert, immoral, with very dirty hands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Holmes knew her technology was scientifically impossible when a female mentor professor told her so at Stanford. She deliberately misled everyone from the word go.

She is a malignant narcissist, if you needed no other proof the fact that she intentionally brought two children into the world knowing full well she was likely headed to prison for a decade is all the evidence you need. She could have waited. If she cared about the well being of her children, she would have waited.

She refuses to be accountable and shows no remorse. Malignant narcissist, possibly a sociopath. She belongs in prison where she cannot run another grift for a decade or so.

I agree with everything else you wrote, but, as she says in the article, she couldn't really have waited if she wanted to have kids. She's 39.

I, personally, would rather not have any children than have children and spend the first 10 years of their life in prison. Also, she has money, she could have frozen her eggs and/or embryos and had babies at 55 like Halle Berry. She's a narcissist and a con artist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did walk away from the piece with a lot of sympathy for her children and the cruelties of the American justice system in separating mothers from their children, it's wrong when it's poor women of color, and it's wrong when it's a privileged white women. And you can't have sympathy for children, maybe you are also a sociopath. She's also a rape victim who was clearly under the thumb of a much older, abusive dude. Again, if you can't have sympathy for that, maybe you are a sociopath. Should she go to prison? Yes. Should be separated from her children for 12 years? No. To me it is interesting that she never sold her shares. She didn't make any money. She went down with the ship. A true sociopath would be in the Caymans right now.

There is no evidence that Sunny was abusive. She literally was just trying the “blame the brown guy” defense. Everyone who worked with her said that she was running the show. This is part of her MO when she needs something she adopts a new persona and gets a new guy to help. Needs an early investor on a crap idea? Starts dating Sunny. Needs someone to pay her legal bills? Find this new dude who wouldn’t you know it is a trust fund baby. It’s part of the grift.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I did walk away from the piece with a lot of sympathy for her children and the cruelties of the American justice system in separating mothers from their children, it's wrong when it's poor women of color, and it's wrong when it's a privileged white women. And you can't have sympathy for children, maybe you are also a sociopath. She's also a rape victim who was clearly under the thumb of a much older, abusive dude. Again, if you can't have sympathy for that, maybe you are a sociopath. Should she go to prison? Yes. Should be separated from her children for 12 years? No. To me it is interesting that she never sold her shares. She didn't make any money. She went down with the ship. A true sociopath would be in the Caymans right now.

You have completely missed what this woman is. I bet you supported Sandusky. She was not under the thumb of an older man. Your comment about her "going down with the ship" is ridiculous and meaningless. Where was she going to go? More than likely the pregnancies were intentional to influence the outcome of her trial.

We aren't sociopaths. You lack critical thinking skills.

[Anonymous]

I read the article the other day when it came out. Her story is one of a grifter who thought she was smarter than she was. I do feel empathy for her 2 babies. I really wonder if she had the babies to try to gain sympathy from the judge to try to avoid serving her prison sentence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did walk away from the piece with a lot of sympathy for her children and the cruelties of the American justice system in separating mothers from their children, it's wrong when it's poor women of color, and it's wrong when it's a privileged white women. And you can't have sympathy for children, maybe you are also a sociopath. She's also a rape victim who was clearly under the thumb of a much older, abusive dude. Again, if you can't have sympathy for that, maybe you are a sociopath. Should she go to prison? Yes. Should be separated from her children for 12 years? No. To me it is interesting that she never sold her shares. She didn't make any money. She went down with the ship. A true sociopath would be in the Caymans right now.

You have completely missed what this woman is. I bet you supported Sandusky. She was not under the thumb of an older man. Your comment about her "going down with the ship" is ridiculous and meaningless. Where was she going to go? More than likely the pregnancies were intentional to influence the outcome of her trial.

We aren't sociopaths. You lack critical thinking skills.

That person is why grifters grift. There will always be someone buying their story and making excuses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whenever I think about how she harmed people, and that so many other narcs almost completely let her get away with it, I truly feel steam coming out of my ears.

Can you imagine someday when her kids learn who she really is. I feel like that would mess with your head.

By the time she gets out of prison, her kids will be teens with a new mom. She's looking at 15 years, her husband is not going to stick around

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I did walk away from the piece with a lot of sympathy for her children and the cruelties of the American justice system in separating mothers from their children, it's wrong when it's poor women of color, and it's wrong when it's a privileged white women. And you can't have sympathy for children, maybe you are also a sociopath. She's also a rape victim who was clearly under the thumb of a much older, abusive dude. Again, if you can't have sympathy for that, maybe you are a sociopath. Should she go to prison? Yes. Should be separated from her children for 12 years? No. To me it is interesting that she never sold her shares. She didn't make any money. She went down with the ship. A true sociopath would be in the Caymans right now.

There is no evidence that Sunny was abusive. She literally was just trying the “blame the brown guy” defense. Everyone who worked with her said that she was running the show. This is part of her MO when she needs something she adopts a new persona and gets a new guy to help. Needs an early investor on a crap idea? Starts dating Sunny. Needs someone to pay her legal bills? Find this new dude who wouldn’t you know it is a trust fund baby. It’s part of the grift.

Or you are playing "drag the woman" -which is pretty much the oldest trick in the book. He was dating an 18 year old when he was 37 (and married) - so he's an ephebophilie - and the age and power differential is textbook set-up for, at minimum, emotional abuse. And there was third-testimony about the emotional abuse. Elizabeth also recounted physical and sexual abuse by him. So, yes, there was evidence of abuse at trial. She can be awful, but he's clearly a pervert, immoral, with very dirty hands.

I don't give her a pass and think she's the conniest of the cons but if this is true that they had a relationship at 18/37 that is disgusting and does make me wonder about his influence. Gross.