TJ Decisions are Out

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:TJ has lost about 20 freshmen and sophomores admitted under the new system this year. Seems like larger attrition than in the past.

They lost 70+ students and counting in the class of 2025. They really messed up the admissions process.

Bring back teacher recommendations at least.

That's a lie. FCPS profiles show real-time enrollment. TJ started this year with 1971 and now have 1952 - a loss of 19 students. In 2018, they started with 1781 and had 1766 by March of 2019 - a loss of 16 students. There is nothing out of the ordinary happening this year. This is all public info from FCPS profiles.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in Loudoun. My child and all his friends were admitted to TJ. Some of these kids were waitlisted on Loudoun’s Academy of Loudoun (AOL). It seems TJ was easier to get in than AOL, at least for them. I was actually very surprised. Quite a few kids from Loudoun will decline due to the long commute.

Congratulations. The new admission system guarantee the top1.5% students from each middle school to be admitted. So as long as the kids are the top 1.5% of their school, they will get a seat.

In the past, given TJ is STEM school, it is strictly testing score plus other academic achievements, such as math count , science Olympia etc. the strong schools who provide better academic education win big, such as Carson and Longfellow, and schools outside Fairfax and FCPS middle schools without AAP centers don’t have too much chances due to weaker STEM and math education.

For those admitted students from non traditional TJ middle schools, the major factor to be considered is whether the kids can advance very fast and undergo high pressure environments. Regardless how TJ is admitting students, inside TJ, it is still test score based student performance system. In the past two years, more students admitted from non traditional TJ middle schools due to diversity objective, however they performed mediocre or poorly at TJ compared to traditional TJ middle schools. This makes it easier for students from strong middle schools to stand out with the new admission system. Before admission rule changes, Carson + Longfellow often have 150-200 students get admitted to TJ, now they probably decrease to 50-80

So instead of taking the top performers across the county they take it from each school, even if the school has dumber students?

- there are no dumb students, the admitted students are all smartest in their school. It is only that some schools didn’t prepare them well for the very competetitive study environment like TJ. So if these not well prepared student can not close the gap quickly with students from Carson/Longfellow after entering TJ, the gap will be wider over time.

- election has consequence, in current political environment, racial diversity is one objective for TJ as a public school, even at the cost of lower STEM performance than before. With polarized politics national wide, and one party dominating NOVA politics, there is little chance that TJ will shift its current policy back to be race blind.

- Another factor worth mentioning is: before admission policy change, there were many middle schools have very little applicants due to historically they had no or very little students admitted to TJ. Now almost all middle schools have more applicants than their quota. This will severely decease the unused quota flow down to the top middle schools in FCPS. So Carson/Longfellow will further see decrease in admitted students in the near future

People may want this but it is illegal. This is a race-blind admission process. Decisions are made without knowledge of an applicant's race.

they just tried to put different races in TJ, my dc's school 2 of each race got in. FUNNY

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ has lost about 20 freshmen and sophomores admitted under the new system this year. Seems like larger attrition than in the past.

They lost 70+ students and counting in the class of 2025. They really messed up the admissions process.

Bring back teacher recommendations at least.

That's a lie. FCPS profiles show real-time enrollment. TJ started this year with 1971 and now have 1952 - a loss of 19 students. In 2018, they started with 1781 and had 1766 by March of 2019 - a loss of 16 students. There is nothing out of the ordinary happening this year. This is all public info from FCPS profiles.

I trust this data. A large attrition number will be a counter evidence on the inclusive admission. FCPS will do whatever it takes to maintain those diversity medals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ has lost about 20 freshmen and sophomores admitted under the new system this year. Seems like larger attrition than in the past.

They lost 70+ students and counting in the class of 2025. They really messed up the admissions process.

Bring back teacher recommendations at least.

That's a lie. FCPS profiles show real-time enrollment. TJ started this year with 1971 and now have 1952 - a loss of 19 students. In 2018, they started with 1781 and had 1766 by March of 2019 - a loss of 16 students. There is nothing out of the ordinary happening this year. This is all public info from FCPS profiles.

Exactly, the pro-prep posters have always tried to manipulate the facts in the hope of returning to gameable process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ has lost about 20 freshmen and sophomores admitted under the new system this year. Seems like larger attrition than in the past.

They lost 70+ students and counting in the class of 2025. They really messed up the admissions process.

Bring back teacher recommendations at least.

That's a lie. FCPS profiles show real-time enrollment. TJ started this year with 1971 and now have 1952 - a loss of 19 students. In 2018, they started with 1781 and had 1766 by March of 2019 - a loss of 16 students. There is nothing out of the ordinary happening this year. This is all public info from FCPS profiles.

I trust this data. A large attrition number will be a counter evidence on the inclusive admission. FCPS will do whatever it takes to maintain those diversity medals.

I know and it's so challenging, too since admission is race blind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in Loudoun. My child and all his friends were admitted to TJ. Some of these kids were waitlisted on Loudoun’s Academy of Loudoun (AOL). It seems TJ was easier to get in than AOL, at least for them. I was actually very surprised. Quite a few kids from Loudoun will decline due to the long commute.

Congratulations. The new admission system guarantee the top1.5% students from each middle school to be admitted. So as long as the kids are the top 1.5% of their school, they will get a seat.

Academies of Loudoun has the same per school quota, with a maximum per school as well. They do a better job of selecting top students within a school.

[Anonymous]

It's been reported on here that TJ admissions is 1.5% for every school, including ones not in Fairfax.

These people who are supposed to know frequently get things wrong. For example, a counselor who did a home visit said AOS and each school of AET were 150 students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Of DC's friend group I am honestly shocked at the results! All but two of the most brilliant kids were wait-pooled and some *real* surprises were offered admission. I know the process is far from perfect but this is a head scratcher...

Fel the same in my DC MS. Kids who never stood out got in in any events

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of DC's friend group I am honestly shocked at the results! All but two of the most brilliant kids were wait-pooled and some *real* surprises were offered admission. I know the process is far from perfect but this is a head scratcher...

Fel the same in my DC MS. Kids who never stood out got in in any events

Our MS is 1500 kids, half of whom are AAP. It's not easy to stand out in a place like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in Loudoun. My child and all his friends were admitted to TJ. Some of these kids were waitlisted on Loudoun’s Academy of Loudoun (AOL). It seems TJ was easier to get in than AOL, at least for them. I was actually very surprised. Quite a few kids from Loudoun will decline due to the long commute.

Congratulations. The new admission system guarantee the top1.5% students from each middle school to be admitted. So as long as the kids are the top 1.5% of their school, they will get a seat.

In the past, given TJ is STEM school, it is strictly testing score plus other academic achievements, such as math count , science Olympia etc. the strong schools who provide better academic education win big, such as Carson and Longfellow, and schools outside Fairfax and FCPS middle schools without AAP centers don’t have too much chances due to weaker STEM and math education.

For those admitted students from non traditional TJ middle schools, the major factor to be considered is whether the kids can advance very fast and undergo high pressure environments. Regardless how TJ is admitting students, inside TJ, it is still test score based student performance system. In the past two years, more students admitted from non traditional TJ middle schools due to diversity objective, however they performed mediocre or poorly at TJ compared to traditional TJ middle schools. This makes it easier for students from strong middle schools to stand out with the new admission system. Before admission rule changes, Carson + Longfellow often have 150-200 students get admitted to TJ, now they probably decrease to 50-80

So instead of taking the top performers across the county they take it from each school, even if the school has dumber students?

The good news is no school has dumber students just students who may lack the advantages of weather areas.

Oh come on. It’s not that a school has dumber students but it’s accurate to say that 100% under this new quote policy, it becomes, in part, not about obtaining the best of the best but obtaining the best of those who apply from each school. Higher performing kids from places like Cooper will be booted out while very possibly lower performing kids from a lower SES school will be admitted. That’s bc of the quota system. It is NOT about the best kids in the area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in Loudoun. My child and all his friends were admitted to TJ. Some of these kids were waitlisted on Loudoun’s Academy of Loudoun (AOL). It seems TJ was easier to get in than AOL, at least for them. I was actually very surprised. Quite a few kids from Loudoun will decline due to the long commute.

Congratulations. The new admission system guarantee the top1.5% students from each middle school to be admitted. So as long as the kids are the top 1.5% of their school, they will get a seat.

In the past, given TJ is STEM school, it is strictly testing score plus other academic achievements, such as math count , science Olympia etc. the strong schools who provide better academic education win big, such as Carson and Longfellow, and schools outside Fairfax and FCPS middle schools without AAP centers don’t have too much chances due to weaker STEM and math education.

For those admitted students from non traditional TJ middle schools, the major factor to be considered is whether the kids can advance very fast and undergo high pressure environments. Regardless how TJ is admitting students, inside TJ, it is still test score based student performance system. In the past two years, more students admitted from non traditional TJ middle schools due to diversity objective, however they performed mediocre or poorly at TJ compared to traditional TJ middle schools. This makes it easier for students from strong middle schools to stand out with the new admission system. Before admission rule changes, Carson + Longfellow often have 150-200 students get admitted to TJ, now they probably decrease to 50-80

So instead of taking the top performers across the county they take it from each school, even if the school has dumber students?

The good news is no school has dumber students just students who may lack the advantages of weather areas.

Oh come on. It’s not that a school has dumber students but it’s accurate to say that 100% under this new quote policy, it becomes, in part, not about obtaining the best of the best but obtaining the best of those who apply from each school. Higher performing kids from places like Cooper will be booted out while very possibly lower performing kids from a lower SES school will be admitted. That’s bc of the quota system. It is NOT about the best kids in the area.

Except for 1 PP who keeps trying to argue otherwise, most people understand this. It’s just a difference of opinion about whether that change is a good thing or not. On my view I think it is so a small handful of MSs aren’t getting the overwhelming share of seats still.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ has lost about 20 freshmen and sophomores admitted under the new system this year. Seems like larger attrition than in the past.

They lost 70+ students and counting in the class of 2025. They really messed up the admissions process.

Bring back teacher recommendations at least.

That's a lie. FCPS profiles show real-time enrollment. TJ started this year with 1971 and now have 1952 - a loss of 19 students. In 2018, they started with 1781 and had 1766 by March of 2019 - a loss of 16 students. There is nothing out of the ordinary happening this year. This is all public info from FCPS profiles.

Exactly, the pro-prep posters have always tried to manipulate the facts in the hope of returning to gameable process.

They will find another way to game the system. Now things are new though, and it may take a little while to figure out how to exploit the loopholes of the new system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ has lost about 20 freshmen and sophomores admitted under the new system this year. Seems like larger attrition than in the past.

They lost 70+ students and counting in the class of 2025. They really messed up the admissions process.

Bring back teacher recommendations at least.

That's a lie. FCPS profiles show real-time enrollment. TJ started this year with 1971 and now have 1952 - a loss of 19 students. In 2018, they started with 1781 and had 1766 by March of 2019 - a loss of 16 students. There is nothing out of the ordinary happening this year. This is all public info from FCPS profiles.

This is perfect example of innumeracy - a lack of ability to reason with numbers.

Slowly and one step at a time.

1. Enrollment increased for the class of 2025 and onwards to 550.
2. The majority of the decrease in the class of 2025 occurred at the end of the freshmen year when they returned to base school. You would not know this looking at aggregate data. Why? Because the graduated class of 2022 would have graduated 450 or around that number but they have enrolled 550.

Many students drop out at the end of the year and not during the class year.

You need to look at a little more in-depth. Not surface level analysis like you did. Whoever employed you, hopefully do not put you in a position that involves data analysis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m in Loudoun. My child and all his friends were admitted to TJ. Some of these kids were waitlisted on Loudoun’s Academy of Loudoun (AOL). It seems TJ was easier to get in than AOL, at least for them. I was actually very surprised. Quite a few kids from Loudoun will decline due to the long commute.

Congratulations. The new admission system guarantee the top1.5% students from each middle school to be admitted. So as long as the kids are the top 1.5% of their school, they will get a seat.

In the past, given TJ is STEM school, it is strictly testing score plus other academic achievements, such as math count , science Olympia etc. the strong schools who provide better academic education win big, such as Carson and Longfellow, and schools outside Fairfax and FCPS middle schools without AAP centers don’t have too much chances due to weaker STEM and math education.

For those admitted students from non traditional TJ middle schools, the major factor to be considered is whether the kids can advance very fast and undergo high pressure environments. Regardless how TJ is admitting students, inside TJ, it is still test score based student performance system. In the past two years, more students admitted from non traditional TJ middle schools due to diversity objective, however they performed mediocre or poorly at TJ compared to traditional TJ middle schools. This makes it easier for students from strong middle schools to stand out with the new admission system. Before admission rule changes, Carson + Longfellow often have 150-200 students get admitted to TJ, now they probably decrease to 50-80

So instead of taking the top performers across the county they take it from each school, even if the school has dumber students?

The good news is no school has dumber students just students who may lack the advantages of weather areas.

Oh come on. It’s not that a school has dumber students but it’s accurate to say that 100% under this new quote policy, it becomes, in part, not about obtaining the best of the best but obtaining the best of those who apply from each school. Higher performing kids from places like Cooper will be booted out while very possibly lower performing kids from a lower SES school will be admitted. That’s bc of the quota system. It is NOT about the best kids in the area.

Oh come on yourself, stop confusing higher-performing with privilege. These advantages are not the same as intelligence. Sorry if that's an inconvenient fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ has lost about 20 freshmen and sophomores admitted under the new system this year. Seems like larger attrition than in the past.

They lost 70+ students and counting in the class of 2025. They really messed up the admissions process.

Bring back teacher recommendations at least.

That's a lie. FCPS profiles show real-time enrollment. TJ started this year with 1971 and now have 1952 - a loss of 19 students. In 2018, they started with 1781 and had 1766 by March of 2019 - a loss of 16 students. There is nothing out of the ordinary happening this year. This is all public info from FCPS profiles.

Exactly, the pro-prep posters have always tried to manipulate the facts in the hope of returning to gameable process.

Hopefully you realize that you are confirming your priors with stupid surface level analysis like this. See my post above.