CES Lottery

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think W feeders has higher cut off than the rest. Just the pool of qualified kids is larger.

If thats true then I don’t understand why he didn’t qualify if the map r is above 85th percentile??

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Anonymous wrote:At a W feeder school, did not make it to the lottery pool even … wtf

So, being at a W feeder automatically qualifies your kid? wtf

Actually I meant the opposite. Not sure what stats you need to qualify from a W feeder as my kid has the stats required but i am
Sure the cut off for low farms school is higher and therefore my kid did not qualify.

If the kid didn’t make the lottery pool, then they didn’t meet the basic score requirements of report card and top 15 percentile MAP-R.

But that’s what I am telling you. He did. Report card is straight A’s and the map r was above 85th so there must be a different cut off for our w feeder school.
It will be helpful if people can post the mapr scores for qualifying students. It would take the guesswork out.

Are you sure kid’s in 3rd grade, and is reading at least grade level? If so you should just contact the program to get clarification.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At a W feeder school, did not make it to the lottery pool even … wtf

So, being at a W feeder automatically qualifies your kid? wtf

Actually I meant the opposite. Not sure what stats you need to qualify from a W feeder as my kid has the stats required but i am
Sure the cut off for low farms school is higher and therefore my kid did not qualify.

If the kid didn’t make the lottery pool, then they didn’t meet the basic score requirements of report card and top 15 percentile MAP-R.

But that’s what I am telling you. He did. Report card is straight A’s and the map r was above 85th so there must be a different cut off for our w feeder school.
It will be helpful if people can post the mapr scores for qualifying students. It would take the guesswork out.

Are you sure kid’s in 3rd grade, and is reading at least grade level? If so you should just contact the program to get clarification.

Wtf?? Yes he is in 3rd grade and reading above grade level. And yes he has A’s on the report card and yes MAP-R is well above 85th. Now can someone tell me if you kid from a W feeder school qualified for the pool with MAP-R above 85? 86? Where is the cut off?

I don’t care about ces as that was a long shot anyway but i hoped he would get enrichment at home school but this letter might not qualify him for that even.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At a W feeder school, did not make it to the lottery pool even … wtf

So, being at a W feeder automatically qualifies your kid? wtf

Actually I meant the opposite. Not sure what stats you need to qualify from a W feeder as my kid has the stats required but i am
Sure the cut off for low farms school is higher and therefore my kid did not qualify.

If the kid didn’t make the lottery pool, then they didn’t meet the basic score requirements of report card and top 15 percentile MAP-R.

But that’s what I am telling you. He did. Report card is straight A’s and the map r was above 85th so there must be a different cut off for our w feeder school.
It will be helpful if people can post the mapr scores for qualifying students. It would take the guesswork out.

The lottery qualification is based on locally normed MAP-R scores. Your son may not be in the top 15th percentile within SES-matched schools.

[Anonymous]

My DD got a spot (Chevy chase elementary). 99th percentile map-r.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At a W feeder school, did not make it to the lottery pool even … wtf

So, being at a W feeder automatically qualifies your kid? wtf

Actually I meant the opposite. Not sure what stats you need to qualify from a W feeder as my kid has the stats required but i am
Sure the cut off for low farms school is higher and therefore my kid did not qualify.

If the kid didn’t make the lottery pool, then they didn’t meet the basic score requirements of report card and top 15 percentile MAP-R.

But that’s what I am telling you. He did. Report card is straight A’s and the map r was above 85th so there must be a different cut off for our w feeder school.
It will be helpful if people can post the mapr scores for qualifying students. It would take the guesswork out.

The lottery qualification is based on locally normed MAP-R scores. Your son may not be in the top 15th percentile within SES-matched schools.

What does that even mean? Top 15th percentile within ses matched school? Do you mean that if the map r score was 90th percentile than it can still not be in the top 15th percentile?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At a W feeder school, did not make it to the lottery pool even … wtf

So, being at a W feeder automatically qualifies your kid? wtf

Actually I meant the opposite. Not sure what stats you need to qualify from a W feeder as my kid has the stats required but i am
Sure the cut off for low farms school is higher and therefore my kid did not qualify.

If the kid didn’t make the lottery pool, then they didn’t meet the basic score requirements of report card and top 15 percentile MAP-R.

But that’s what I am telling you. He did. Report card is straight A’s and the map r was above 85th so there must be a different cut off for our w feeder school.
It will be helpful if people can post the mapr scores for qualifying students. It would take the guesswork out.

Are you sure kid’s in 3rd grade, and is reading at least grade level? If so you should just contact the program to get clarification.

Wtf?? Yes he is in 3rd grade and reading above grade level. And yes he has A’s on the report card and yes MAP-R is well above 85th. Now can someone tell me if you kid from a W feeder school qualified for the pool with MAP-R above 85? 86? Where is the cut off?

I don’t care about ces as that was a long shot anyway but i hoped he would get enrichment at home school but this letter might not qualify him for that even.

Actually I think you’re right. Map r is locally normed to FARMS rate, so it appears your kid’s map r, while being above 85 percentile, is not high enough for low FARMS school. I’m also be curious what that cutoff is. My guess is 95 percentile?

[Anonymous]

MCPS should stop wasting money on surveys and contractors and start focusing on properly educating all the kids who meet the parameters for CES/enrichment/magnet schools. Or perhaps MCPS needs to also ask why so many kids qualify for these enhancement programs? Maybe educational standards need to go up. These lotteries are ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:At a W feeder school, did not make it to the lottery pool even … wtf

So, being at a W feeder automatically qualifies your kid? wtf

Actually I meant the opposite. Not sure what stats you need to qualify from a W feeder as my kid has the stats required but i am
Sure the cut off for low farms school is higher and therefore my kid did not qualify.

If the kid didn’t make the lottery pool, then they didn’t meet the basic score requirements of report card and top 15 percentile MAP-R.

But that’s what I am telling you. He did. Report card is straight A’s and the map r was above 85th so there must be a different cut off for our w feeder school.
It will be helpful if people can post the mapr scores for qualifying students. It would take the guesswork out.

The lottery qualification is based on locally normed MAP-R scores. Your son may not be in the top 15th percentile within SES-matched schools.

What does that even mean? Top 15th percentile within ses matched school? Do you mean that if the map r score was 90th percentile than it can still not be in the top 15th percentile?

Possible, depends on how much the schools' scores skew away from national norms.

Local norms are explained in the FAQ: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jmQmo4UZDowNzddfXA56UtyB0KJPSfwiGi9oqqVT1OI/view

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think W feeders has higher cut off than the rest. Just the pool of qualified kids is larger.

If thats true then I don’t understand why he didn’t qualify if the map r is above 85th percentile??

For low farms schools, the top 15% is apparently around 95% or higher.
For moderate low farms schools, it's around 92%.
For high farms schools, it's around 60%, with more in between.
MCPS documents with the exact numbers have been linked here in the not-too-distant past.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know what the criteria was to get entered into the lottery?

Last I knew it was something like the top 20% using local norms. The actual values have been posted, but at a low FARMS school, that may be 95th% and above.

That sounds about right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think W feeders has higher cut off than the rest. Just the pool of qualified kids is larger.

If thats true then I don’t understand why he didn’t qualify if the map r is above 85th percentile??

For low farms schools, the top 15% is apparently around 95% or higher.
For moderate low farms schools, it's around 92%.
For high farms schools, it's around 60%, with more in between.
MCPS documents with the exact numbers have been linked here in the not-too-distant past.

You're talking about middle school magnet cutoffs, not CES norms.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think W feeders has higher cut off than the rest. Just the pool of qualified kids is larger.

If thats true then I don’t understand why he didn’t qualify if the map r is above 85th percentile??

For low farms schools, the top 15% is apparently around 95% or higher.
For moderate low farms schools, it's around 92%.
For high farms schools, it's around 60%, with more in between.
MCPS documents with the exact numbers have been linked here in the not-too-distant past.

You're talking about middle school magnet cutoffs, not CES norms.

Nope I'm talking about CES cutoffs. A document containing them was posted here based on FARMS rate a month or two ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think W feeders has higher cut off than the rest. Just the pool of qualified kids is larger.

If thats true then I don’t understand why he didn’t qualify if the map r is above 85th percentile??

For low farms schools, the top 15% is apparently around 95% or higher.
For moderate low farms schools, it's around 92%.
For high farms schools, it's around 60%, with more in between.
MCPS documents with the exact numbers have been linked here in the not-too-distant past.

You're talking about middle school magnet cutoffs, not CES norms.

Nope I'm talking about CES cutoffs. A document containing them was posted here based on FARMS rate a month or two ago.

^ What I remember was my kid's school which is listed as having moderately low FARMS had a cutoff of 92% but you will have to dig to find the actual post with the link. I didn't save it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think W feeders has higher cut off than the rest. Just the pool of qualified kids is larger.

If thats true then I don’t understand why he didn’t qualify if the map r is above 85th percentile??

For low farms schools, the top 15% is apparently around 95% or higher.
For moderate low farms schools, it's around 92%.
For high farms schools, it's around 60%, with more in between.
MCPS documents with the exact numbers have been linked here in the not-too-distant past.

You're talking about middle school magnet cutoffs, not CES norms.

Nope I'm talking about CES cutoffs. A document containing them was posted here based on FARMS rate a month or two ago.

If you're talking about this thread, it's middle school magnet info. The cutoff for moderate low FARMs schools was 92nd percentile.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1106379.page