Middle school magnets - criteria-based
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Copying some info that was mistakenly put in MSMC thread:
- Results should be out on the 21st - Q&A can be found here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CD-zDANEJAR5X-...x9sCd4JS1IGPEB1VL-0-9Y/preview - Presuming straight As, biggest challenge for getting into the lottery pool is getting a locally normed 85th percentile MAP score. Here is the info that MCCPTA Gifted Education Committee released from their public-records request on what local normed were used for middle-school magnets last year. The actual RIT/percentile cutoffs coud be different this year, but certainly they will still vary greatly by the percent FARMs at school. Those in high-FARMs schools will need lower MAP scores to be placed in the lottery than those in low FARMs scools. 2022 criteria-based middle-school magnet lottery Minimum MAP score/national percentile to be placed in the criteria-based magnets, by percentage of students receiving FARMs at the school: Math/science magnets: MAP-M FARMS %, raw MAP score, national perentile Low FARMs, 232 RIT, 93th percentile Low-moderate FARMs, 230 RIT, 92nd percentile Moderate FARMs, 224 RIT, 84th percentile Moderate-high FARMs, 215 RIT, 65th percentile High FARMs, 213 RIT, 60th percentile Communicaitons magnets: MAP-R FARMS %, raw MAP score, national perentile Low FARMs, 228 RIT, 92nd percentile Low-moderate FARMs, 228 RIT, 92nd percentile Moderate FARMs, 224 RIT, 88th percentile Moderate-high FARMs, 216 RIT, 76th percentile High FARMs, 213 RIT, 70th percentile And here are how the ES are grouped by FARMs rate, also from the public-records request results released by MCCPTA GEC: Low FARMS: ASHBURTON ES BANNOCKBURN ES BELLS MILL ES BELMONT ES BETHESDA ES BEVERLY FARMS ES BRADLEY HILLS ES BURNING TREE ES CARDEROCK SPRINGS ES CEDAR GROVE ES COLD SPRING ES DARNESTOWN ES DIAMOND ES DUFIEF ES FALLSMEAD ES FARMLAND ES GARRETT PARK ES GREENWOOD ES KENSINGTON PARKWOOD ES LAKEWOOD ES MONOCACY ES OLNEY ES POOLESVILLE ES POTOMAC ES RITCHIE PARK ES SEVEN LOCKS ES SHERWOOD ES SLIGO CREEK ES Snowden Farm ES SOMERSET ES STONE MILL ES TRAVILAH ES WAYSIDE ES WESTBROOK ES WIMS ES WOOD ACRES ES WOODFIELD ES WYNGATE ES Low Moderate FARMS: BARNSLEY ES Bayard Rustin ES BEALL ES BROOKE GROVE ES CANDLEWOOD ES CARSON ES CASHELL ES CHEVY CHASE ES CLARKSBURG ES CLEARSPRING ES CLOVERLY ES COLLEGE GARDENS ES DAMASCUS ES FLOWER VALLEY ES FOREST KNOLLS ES GERMANTOWN ES GIBBS ES HIGHLAND VIEW ES JONES LANE ES LAYTONSVILLE ES LITTLE BENNETT ES LONGVIEW SCHOOL LUXMANOR ES MARSHALL ES MATSUNAGA ES MCNAIR ES NORTH CHEVY CHASE ES OAKLAND TERRACE ES PAGE ES PINEY BRANCH ES ROCK CREEK FOREST ES ROCK CREEK VALLEY ES ROCKWELL ES STEPHEN KNOLLS STONEGATE ES WESTOVER ES WOODLIN ES Moderate FARMS BURTONSVILLE ES DREW ES EAST SILVER SPRING ES FIELDS ROAD ES FOX CHAPEL ES GLEN HAVEN ES GLENALLAN ES GOSHEN ES GREAT SENECA CREEK ES MARYVALE ES MCAULIFFE ES MEADOW HALL ES MILL CREEK TOWNE ES PINE CREST ES RESNIK ES RIDE ES ROCK VIEW ES SEQUOYAH ES SINGER ES STRAWBERRY KNOLL ES WATERS LANDING ES Moderate High FARMS: ARCOLA ES BROOKHAVEN ES BROWN STATION ES BURNT MILLS ES CANNON ROAD ES CARL SANDBURG LC CLOPPER MILL ES CRESTHAVEN ES DALY ES FAIRLAND ES FLOWER HILL ES GALWAY ES GEORGIAN FOREST ES GREENCASTLE ES HARMONY HILLS ES HIGHLAND ES JACKSON ROAD ES LAKE SENECA ES OAK VIEW ES ROSEMONT ES SHRIVER ES STEDWICK ES STRATHMORE ES TWINBROOK ES VIERS MILL ES WASHINGTON GROVE ES WELLER ROAD ES WHETSTONE ES High FARMS: GAITHERSBURG ES KEMP MILL ES LELECK ES ROLLING TERRACE ES SOUTH LAKE ES SUMMIT HALL ES WATKINS MILL ES WHEATON WOODS ES |
Anonymous
| The drive was removed. My child had much higher scores and was never even considered for the magnet programs. |
Anonymous
| Thanks for starting this thread, OP. My DD has straight As and is 95th percentile in MAP-M/96th percentile for MAP-R in a low-moderate FARMS elementary. It would take an act of god for us to consider one of the programs, were she to get in, mostly because she’d have to get up so much earlier to get there. We’ll see, I guess. |
Anonymous
| Wow, STEM magnet with a 60th percentile score. I can see giving some boost for higher FARM rates, but this seems excessive. 60th national percentile might actually be below average in MCPS. |
Anonymous
I'm going to ask a dumb question. If a child is in 60th percentile and another child is in the 92% percentile, aren't' the 2 children at different levels? How does attending the magnet program help either student? |
Anonymous
| Don't be petty. The high FARM schools are just 8 schools, and I guarantee the kids there are not up against your kids for the magnet spots. |
Anonymous
They are, but the theory MCPS is working with here is that the MS magnets aren't just for kids who are already high achievers, but also for those who have the potential to excel and would not have a peer group at their home MS. The eight elementary schools with that low threshold are also *incredibly* high needs. Unlike some of the moderate FARMS schools, there really are very few MS kids in those eight schools. They exist, but these are schools with 90+ percent of kids receiving FARMS. So, there's a good chance that any random kid you pull out of that pool is experiencing real poverty, may be an English Language Learner, and has parents who may not speak English and may not have the resources to push in extensive prep. So, the MCPS theory is that a kid hitting 60% with those disadvantages might have the same potential as a kid hitting 95% with every advantage in the world. Of course, it's not a perfect system because it's based on averages. Not every single kid at Arcola is poor, and not every single kid at Bethesda is getting test prep on the weekends, but MCPS is looking at averages. |
Anonymous
| Funny thing is that they had abilities-related testing, dropped it during remote learning, used a flexible wide-net paradigm on achievement scores to make up for that, but then dropped the flexibility.but didn't add back the ability measure, relying on the one FARMS adjustment and still requiring the As and reading levels that those in those difficult circumstances might not achieve in the first place, despite some having high potential. They need to go back to using ability scores with a flexible heuristic or some other means that better identifies that potential, lottery (due to roo few spots) or no. |
Anonymous
| It seems like the magnets have been watered down, as have the CES programs. It would be better to have enriched courses in English and Science (not just math and social studies) avaialble at all schools, with magnets reserved for the highest-achieving kids. |
Anonymous
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I am new to school system. My kid is in kindergarten.
What should I look for. I have no idea about lottery system or magnate program. Where do I find these out. I want to give my kids the best opportunity but I don’t understand anything in the system. Can u please guide me |
Anonymous
The first time your child will be considered for a magnet program is in 3rd grade to receive a slot in the 4th/5th grade centers for enriched studies. The selection process may look very different by then, so hang tight for now. |
Anonymous
What I am curious about are three things. First, whether MCPS has any data on the educational impact of FARMS students moving from high FARMS to low FARMS schools? Second, I would like to understand how they consider this scenario: a non-FARMS student in a high FARMs school receiving advantage in selection than a FARMS student in a low FARMS school. Perhaps that is the goal? Third, what is the appropriate level of education to meet the needs of the high performing kids that are not selected? |
Anonymous
+1 |
Anonymous
Currently they have advanced social studies at my local middle school. It’s ridiculous, my child is in the 6 th grade HIGH social studies class and they meet only once a week or sometimes even once every 2 weeks for “enrichment studies.” In theory having enrichment courses at the local school would have been great but of course mcps has to f*** that up to. 
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Anonymous
I think right now they're just letting in more mediocre non-farm students from high farm schools into the programs. It's a penalty for farm students living in non-farm school neighborhood. It would be interesting to see current 6th and 7th grade magnet program MAP profile side by side comparison with all other individual MS MAP profile. I suspect some schools in low farm area may even outperform magnet programs. MCPS need to address the needs for high performing students that are not selected through lottery. |