Wealthy POC: What has your career been like?

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Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from reading these posts is that the successful POCs do not think of themselves as victims, they grab at opportunities, and know how to navigate the dominate population enough to make white people comfortable around them.

You can do all this and still think the system absolutely sucks. That's reality.

As a first generation immigrant I actually think the system is great. I could never achieve what I have achieved in my country of origin. You really can accomplish anything here if you work hard. My parents came here with nothing and could hardly speak the language and all of their kids went into college and to have really lucrative careers. What more do you want out of the system? To get something for nothing?

Try living in the 3rd world and get back to me about systems that “absolutely suck”.

The system here does not help people that come from generational poverty. I am black and I have been wildly successful, but it's only because of very conscious decisions my parents made and me pretty much staying on a certain path. While your parents did work hard and that's fantastic..many people who are 10 generations in poor communities are trying to get out. It's not a coincidence that where you live plays a huge part in your path. And for many black people in poor communities they live there because that was where they had to live. They weren't allowed to buy in nicer areas. There are many who have made it out, but there are so many that are trying their best. This is also very prevalent in white rural parts of the country and why so many are furious with our government leaders.

DP. I think you’re missing the fact that those immigrants that came here also made huge sacrifices, made conscious decisions, and most successful first Gen kids will tell you their parents made sure they stayed on paths that led to job security. There are more similarities with your parents than differences.

When you move across the world and have to learn not only about living in a new culture but how to survive and succeed in a new culture, with language barriers, how to raise your kids in this new land, and lack of knowledge about ‘the system’. Success is not something that falls into their laps.

Your struggles are real. So are theirs. The commonality is that your parents didn’t allow the hardships become excuses.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a non-White Asian American. I don't call myself a POC because I am not sure if that is who most people think of a POC.

My experience of "racism" has been in the field of higher educational opportunities and bamboo ceiling. I don't think it is racism at all. I don't think I am ever stopped by any member of the majority or under-represented minorities communities because they think I am less than them. So it is not racism. The reason they are obstructionists is because I am better than them and they cannot compete with me.

On the other hand, a lot of opportunities have been given to me by members of majority and URM community because they are not intimidated by my skills and abilities. So, sometimes what we think is racism is just run of the mill a-holes acting like a-holes. Only losers are racists.

For example - every single person who attacked the Capitol on Jan 6th, were losers and opportunists. Not one of them had any redeeming quality. So, do not look for racism in every place. Watch out for people who are losers and evil. These people will be jealous of your success.

My mantra has been to be very qualified and skilled, hide how well I am doing from my peers, let my boss and their boss know how well I am doing, make myself indispensable, meet my professional and personal goals without much fanfare and try and fly under the radar. As an immigrant, remember that the American way is individualistic. You have to watch out for your own self interest, show discernment in choosing friends, and self promote aggressively for promotions in responsibility and remuneration. There is no such thing as loyalty, so jump ship on your own if your company is not promoting you.

What a clown you are. Asian people are very much considered and seen as POC.

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Good lord. I’m second generation Indian and I finally convinced my parents that this country sucks.

We (parents and then we were exponentially more successful because of the leg up) are self-made millionaires. Dear brown people- they are never going to think you’re white.

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Anonymous wrote:Good lord. I’m second generation Indian and I finally convinced my parents that this country sucks.

We (parents and then we were exponentially more successful because of the leg up) are self-made millionaires. Dear brown people- they are never going to think you’re white.

You are 2nd gen, so maybe you don't know India that well -- but the racism there is every bit as bad as the racism here. Its simply directed at different targets.

I spent 20 years working abroad, and I have yet to find a country or a culture that doesn't "suck" with respect to racism. It is everywhere. That doesn't let the U.S. off the hook, of course. But since you think "this country sucks", I'm curious which country you would select as an example for the U.S. to follow? Please restrict your answers to countries in which you have actually lived so that your opinion is truly credible.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a non-White Asian American. I don't call myself a POC because I am not sure if that is who most people think of a POC.

My experience of "racism" has been in the field of higher educational opportunities and bamboo ceiling. I don't think it is racism at all. I don't think I am ever stopped by any member of the majority or under-represented minorities communities because they think I am less than them. So it is not racism. The reason they are obstructionists is because I am better than them and they cannot compete with me.

On the other hand, a lot of opportunities have been given to me by members of majority and URM community because they are not intimidated by my skills and abilities. So, sometimes what we think is racism is just run of the mill a-holes acting like a-holes. Only losers are racists.

For example - every single person who attacked the Capitol on Jan 6th, were losers and opportunists. Not one of them had any redeeming quality. So, do not look for racism in every place. Watch out for people who are losers and evil. These people will be jealous of your success.

My mantra has been to be very qualified and skilled, hide how well I am doing from my peers, let my boss and their boss know how well I am doing, make myself indispensable, meet my professional and personal goals without much fanfare and try and fly under the radar. As an immigrant, remember that the American way is individualistic. You have to watch out for your own self interest, show discernment in choosing friends, and self promote aggressively for promotions in responsibility and remuneration. There is no such thing as loyalty, so jump ship on your own if your company is not promoting you.

What a clown you are. Asian people are very much considered and seen as POC.

I saw the post the other day and thought the same thing but decided against responding. I figured it they don't know they are a POC by this point, it's because they don't want to know, lol. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

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It was a learning experience, took many years to learn white corporate culture coming from an Asian background. Once I learned 'how to play the game', career took off with much less stress.

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Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from reading these posts is that the successful POCs do not think of themselves as victims, they grab at opportunities, and know how to navigate the dominate population enough to make white people comfortable around them.

I’m a PP poster and don’t even know what it means to try to make white people comfortable. It had never crossed my mind to do so. I treat everyone the same. I’ve never heard an Indian say this or advise to do this and I’m pretty deeply involved in the Indian community. This is definitely not an Indian thing to do.

It is deeply ingrained, you probably don’t realize it because of this. Colonization absolutely taught Indian people how to ‘act around white people’. It’s a survival mechanism.

Is it genetic trait that parents pas on to their biological children? The British left India in 1947, over 75 years ago!

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Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from reading these posts is that the successful POCs do not think of themselves as victims, they grab at opportunities, and know how to navigate the dominate population enough to make white people comfortable around them.

I’m a PP poster and don’t even know what it means to try to make white people comfortable. It had never crossed my mind to do so. I treat everyone the same. I’ve never heard an Indian say this or advise to do this and I’m pretty deeply involved in the Indian community. This is definitely not an Indian thing to do.

It is deeply ingrained, you probably don’t realize it because of this. Colonization absolutely taught Indian people how to ‘act around white people’. It’s a survival mechanism.

Is it genetic trait that parents pas on to their biological children? The British left India in 1947, over 75 years ago!

It’s not a genetic trait but there is this thing called generational trauma. Clearly black people in America today were not affected by slavery but the history of how there ancestors survived and that stress passed on from mother to child.

My mother was born under the British Raj. Her family directly impacted by Partition. This is far from ancient history. Her parents triggers passed on anxieties to her, her own early memories of violence formed her worldview, those things impacted my upbringing.

But you don’t really want to understand this, do you?

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Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from reading these posts is that the successful POCs do not think of themselves as victims, they grab at opportunities, and know how to navigate the dominate population enough to make white people comfortable around them.

I’m a PP poster and don’t even know what it means to try to make white people comfortable. It had never crossed my mind to do so. I treat everyone the same. I’ve never heard an Indian say this or advise to do this and I’m pretty deeply involved in the Indian community. This is definitely not an Indian thing to do.

It is deeply ingrained, you probably don’t realize it because of this. Colonization absolutely taught Indian people how to ‘act around white people’. It’s a survival mechanism.

Is it genetic trait that parents pas on to their biological children? The British left India in 1947, over 75 years ago!

It’s not a genetic trait but there is this thing called generational trauma. Clearly black people in America today were not affected by slavery but the history of how there ancestors survived and that stress passed on from mother to child.

My mother was born under the British Raj. Her family directly impacted by Partition. This is far from ancient history. Her parents triggers passed on anxieties to her, her own early memories of violence formed her worldview, those things impacted my upbringing.

But you don’t really want to understand this, do you?

Congratulations! You are officially a professional American victim! 🇺🇸🇺🇸

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Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from reading these posts is that the successful POCs do not think of themselves as victims, they grab at opportunities, and know how to navigate the dominate population enough to make white people comfortable around them.

I’m a PP poster and don’t even know what it means to try to make white people comfortable. It had never crossed my mind to do so. I treat everyone the same. I’ve never heard an Indian say this or advise to do this and I’m pretty deeply involved in the Indian community. This is definitely not an Indian thing to do.

It is deeply ingrained, you probably don’t realize it because of this. Colonization absolutely taught Indian people how to ‘act around white people’. It’s a survival mechanism.

Is it genetic trait that parents pas on to their biological children? The British left India in 1947, over 75 years ago!

It’s not a genetic trait but there is this thing called generational trauma. Clearly black people in America today were not affected by slavery but the history of how there ancestors survived and that stress passed on from mother to child.

My mother was born under the British Raj. Her family directly impacted by Partition. This is far from ancient history. Her parents triggers passed on anxieties to her, her own early memories of violence formed her worldview, those things impacted my upbringing.

But you don’t really want to understand this, do you?

Congratulations! You are officially a professional American victim! 🇺🇸🇺🇸

Bravo to you too for not following along and completing missing point.

Any topic that brings the word Indian into this forum triggers the most nasty people.
Namaste 🙏🏽

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Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from reading these posts is that the successful POCs do not think of themselves as victims, they grab at opportunities, and know how to navigate the dominate population enough to make white people comfortable around them.

I’m a PP poster and don’t even know what it means to try to make white people comfortable. It had never crossed my mind to do so. I treat everyone the same. I’ve never heard an Indian say this or advise to do this and I’m pretty deeply involved in the Indian community. This is definitely not an Indian thing to do.

It is deeply ingrained, you probably don’t realize it because of this. Colonization absolutely taught Indian people how to ‘act around white people’. It’s a survival mechanism.

Is it genetic trait that parents pas on to their biological children? The British left India in 1947, over 75 years ago!

It’s not a genetic trait but there is this thing called generational trauma. Clearly black people in America today were not affected by slavery but the history of how there ancestors survived and that stress passed on from mother to child.

My mother was born under the British Raj. Her family directly impacted by Partition. This is far from ancient history. Her parents triggers passed on anxieties to her, her own early memories of violence formed her worldview, those things impacted my upbringing.

But you don’t really want to understand this, do you?

Congratulations! You are officially a professional American victim! 🇺🇸🇺🇸

I see this a lot in poor families who migrate from Asian countries to here. They carry with them certain bias/racist attitudes because they grew up thinking lighter skin is the standard for pretty, dark skin is manual labor, kids ashamed to bring different foods to school afraid to be made fun of etc…

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Anonymous wrote:Good lord. I’m second generation Indian and I finally convinced my parents that this country sucks.

We (parents and then we were exponentially more successful because of the leg up) are self-made millionaires. Dear brown people- they are never going to think you’re white.

We could tell you are second generation…

This is not an Indian who wrote that. It’s definitely a woke white playing pretend.

Aww aren’t you so clever. I’m Indian and I kicked your ass at everything you did. You’re a loser, by the way, unless you’re HYP plus triple Ivy by 25. Now do you believe I’m Indian?

नहीं

Lol I’m an ABCD. Why would I know what that means? I refuse to set foot in the decrepit corrupt shithole known as India.

Desi here and I agree this is not an Indian and if it’s one the unfortunates who suffers from too much inbreeding. Unfortunately it happens.

Exhibit A of why most first gen Indians are self-loathing here. I literally am everything they wish their kids were but because I see through them - here we are. For URMs, please be careful around us ‘model minorities.’ Many of us are allies but more are Trump adjacent.

Somebody has a lot of baggage.

Sounds like it’s you. You can’t find peace with the fact that some of us don’t like this country or India? Trump and Modi are the same.

And just where is this Garden of Eden where racism doesn't exist? Which country is a good example that we should attempt to emulate?

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Anonymous wrote:Good lord. I’m second generation Indian and I finally convinced my parents that this country sucks.

We (parents and then we were exponentially more successful because of the leg up) are self-made millionaires. Dear brown people- they are never going to think you’re white.

We could tell you are second generation…

This is not an Indian who wrote that. It’s definitely a woke white playing pretend.

Aww aren’t you so clever. I’m Indian and I kicked your ass at everything you did. You’re a loser, by the way, unless you’re HYP plus triple Ivy by 25. Now do you believe I’m Indian?

नहीं

Lol I’m an ABCD. Why would I know what that means? I refuse to set foot in the decrepit corrupt shithole known as India.

Desi here and I agree this is not an Indian and if it’s one the unfortunates who suffers from too much inbreeding. Unfortunately it happens.

Exhibit A of why most first gen Indians are self-loathing here. I literally am everything they wish their kids were but because I see through them - here we are. For URMs, please be careful around us ‘model minorities.’ Many of us are allies but more are Trump adjacent.

Somebody has a lot of baggage.

Sounds like it’s you. You can’t find peace with the fact that some of us don’t like this country or India? Trump and Modi are the same.

And just where is this Garden of Eden where racism doesn't exist? Which country is a good example that we should attempt to emulate?

It’s the subtle forms that people should be made aware. Helps with understanding how to climb corporate.

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Anonymous wrote:Good lord. I’m second generation Indian and I finally convinced my parents that this country sucks.

We (parents and then we were exponentially more successful because of the leg up) are self-made millionaires. Dear brown people- they are never going to think you’re white.

We could tell you are second generation…

This is not an Indian who wrote that. It’s definitely a woke white playing pretend.

Aww aren’t you so clever. I’m Indian and I kicked your ass at everything you did. You’re a loser, by the way, unless you’re HYP plus triple Ivy by 25. Now do you believe I’m Indian?

नहीं

Lol I’m an ABCD. Why would I know what that means? I refuse to set foot in the decrepit corrupt shithole known as India.

Desi here and I agree this is not an Indian and if it’s one the unfortunates who suffers from too much inbreeding. Unfortunately it happens.

Exhibit A of why most first gen Indians are self-loathing here. I literally am everything they wish their kids were but because I see through them - here we are. For URMs, please be careful around us ‘model minorities.’ Many of us are allies but more are Trump adjacent.

Somebody has a lot of baggage.

Sounds like it’s you. You can’t find peace with the fact that some of us don’t like this country or India? Trump and Modi are the same.

Pakistan or Afghanistan might be the place for you. You’d love the Taliban.
Great career and education paths for your future generations too!
✌🏼

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Indian immigrant ...came 30 years to the US to go to school and great journey so far. Worked my butt off in the tech field on the biz side met my wife (2nd marriage for me) who was also Indian and got an MBA from a top school. Together we make over $800k..(almost equal each), NW ~$7M give or take and work hard/play hard. Career has been upwards with a lot of holding pattern. Work for an old tech company reporting to the EVP where all of them are white and I am the only minority. Most meetings I am the only brown person but I have always believed in letting my skills do the talking.On top of that I don't have a 'anglecized' name.


Could I have gone higher in my career if I was white...maybe or who knows. What a great country this is...both my wife and I came here with nothing but a few suitcases!

Hmm, what company is that where you would be a minority? In tech and IT, now?