Roughly 10000 URMs scored 1400-1600 on their SATs in 2022

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Studies show the majority if AA at Ivies come from high SES/affluent households.

Race is not the same as circumstance.

I’d be impressed with a poor white kid from Appalachia scoring that high as much as a minority ftom the inner city public housing in low performing public schools.

I wish the emphasis was not on race but circumstances when weighing holistic bumps.

All colleges now have a section where you check 1st gen college student. It’s weighted very high for admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Studies show the majority if AA at Ivies come from high SES/affluent households.

Race is not the same as circumstance.

I’d be impressed with a poor white kid from Appalachia scoring that high as much as a minority ftom the inner city public housing in low performing public schools.

I wish the emphasis was not on race but circumstances when weighing holistic bumps.

Add up all of the URMs at the Ivies, MIT, Caltech etc. and the number is no where near 10,000. So where are they?

So you truly believe that every black and Hispanic child who scores 1400 should be accepted to the Ivies, MIT and Stanford? Only because they are black or Hispanic and scored 1400, no matter what their GPA is, what ECs they had, if they won any competitions, were leaders of any clubs, volunteered; should be accepted over an Asian or white child who scored 1580, has a 4.6 GPA, 12 APs, is a winner of the national science or math olympiads, was a captain of the school club and volunteered a lot?

Your argument is SO disingenuous it is, frankly, disgusting. These kids that scored BETWEEN 1400-1600 are just as likely to have all the same competitive stats as anyone else applying to the Ivies+. No suggestion that they should be accepted only because of their family background. The question was exactly as direct and simple as stated. Where are they going after high school? There ARE a few thousand URM kids that are just as competitive for the Ivies+ as anyone else. Obviously that aren't all attending Ivies+. So, again, where are they going after high school? HBCUs? Community colleges? Enlisting in the military? Just any old school within a morning's commute?

None of the original question concerns admissions standards at the Ivies+. None of it. None of it. None of it. It is simply "What do high performing URMs do after high school?" If anyone has any information then please share it with links.

Based on the report, about 139,000 test takers scored 1400-1600, only 2,000 of which are black and 8,000 are Hispanic. Yet, you somehow expected all the 10,000 black and Hispanic kids to attend the Ivies/MIT/Standford over the remaining equally qualified 129,000 students. A fair proportion based on the score alone at the Ivies/MIT/Stanford then would be 1 black : 4 Hispanic : 23 Asian : 25 white.

Wow. That exactly not what was said. You are really going out of your way here to stir the pot...

Let me break it down into smaller bites.

If there is data on the percentage of kids (all demographics) who score between 1400-1600 on the SAT that:

1. Go to an Ivy or T20
2. Go to a T20-T50
3. Go to less renown four-year college
4. Go to community college
5. Enlist in the military
6. Etc.


Then is there data on what percentage of kids (URMs) who score between 1400-1600 on the SAT:

1. Go to an Ivy or T20
2. Go to a T20-T50
3. Go to less renown four-year college
4. Go to community college
5. Enlist in the military
6. Etc.

Is data on this small number of top scoring URMs (~10,000) collected by anyone, anywhere? And if so can someone please share it?

At this point it is looking like no one has that data. I don't. That is why I asked.

FFF

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Studies show the majority if AA at Ivies come from high SES/affluent households.

Race is not the same as circumstance.

I’d be impressed with a poor white kid from Appalachia scoring that high as much as a minority ftom the inner city public housing in low performing public schools.

I wish the emphasis was not on race but circumstances when weighing holistic bumps.

Add up all of the URMs at the Ivies, MIT, Caltech etc. and the number is no where near 10,000. So where are they?

So you truly believe that every black and Hispanic child who scores 1400 should be accepted to the Ivies, MIT and Stanford? Only because they are black or Hispanic and scored 1400, no matter what their GPA is, what ECs they had, if they won any competitions, were leaders of any clubs, volunteered; should be accepted over an Asian or white child who scored 1580, has a 4.6 GPA, 12 APs, is a winner of the national science or math olympiads, was a captain of the school club and volunteered a lot?

Your argument is SO disingenuous it is, frankly, disgusting. These kids that scored BETWEEN 1400-1600 are just as likely to have all the same competitive stats as anyone else applying to the Ivies+. No suggestion that they should be accepted only because of their family background. The question was exactly as direct and simple as stated. Where are they going after high school? There ARE a few thousand URM kids that are just as competitive for the Ivies+ as anyone else. Obviously that aren't all attending Ivies+. So, again, where are they going after high school? HBCUs? Community colleges? Enlisting in the military? Just any old school within a morning's commute?

None of the original question concerns admissions standards at the Ivies+. None of it. None of it. None of it. It is simply "What do high performing URMs do after high school?" If anyone has any information then please share it with links.

Where they are going is everywhere else. Why does it need to be broken down any more than that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And many of them grew up in UMC and wealthy households.

Many also check the box with their 1/16th claimed ethnicity.

Nope. No kid with scores like that needs to play those games.

BS!!!! Every one of my white relatives and kids had those scores (along with perfect grades and great ECs). Thousands of kids applying to top 20s have all of that. And, NO it is not a sure thing for white kids or Asian kids.

+1. As if.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Studies show the majority if AA at Ivies come from high SES/affluent households.

Race is not the same as circumstance.

I’d be impressed with a poor white kid from Appalachia scoring that high as much as a minority ftom the inner city public housing in low performing public schools.

I wish the emphasis was not on race but circumstances when weighing holistic bumps.

Add up all of the URMs at the Ivies, MIT, Caltech etc. and the number is no where near 10,000. So where are they?

Likely because, if these scores are normally distributed as one would expect, the 10k population of URM students drop off really fast above 1400 relative to other groups and they are vastly outnumbered at scores like 1450 or 1500 that would be needed to compete at this level. That just how the math works. It would be fascinating to see the data binned every hundred points.

Clearly you haven’t looked at data that was shared by OP.

OP, to answer your question, these kids are going to one of the thousands of colleges in the US, just like everybody else.

? Everything I said is reasonably clear from the table presented on page 7 of the referenced report. The PSAT data on page 11, which is a little more granular at the high end, is even more striking. In the top band presented, 1400-1520, there are about zero Blacks, 3600 hispanic, 18000 whites, and 20000 Asians. People don’t understand how stark the difference in numbers is at the high end.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And many of them grew up in UMC and wealthy households.

Many also check the box with their 1/16th claimed ethnicity.

Nope. No kid with scores like that needs to play those games.

BS!!!! Every one of my white relatives and kids had those scores (along with perfect grades and great ECs). Thousands of kids applying to top 20s have all of that. And, NO it is not a sure thing for white kids or Asian kids.

+1. As if.

Hence the UNC case (whites) and Harvard (Asians).

[Anonymous]

I am Hispanic. It is not uncommon for parents in my community to do their best to keep their kids close to home, despite their acceptances to T10 schools. Often they are forced to stay home and commute to local CC or local lower ranked school. Going away to college is not the norm in our part of the world. Parents might also want them to stay home to help out around the house with younger siblings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am Hispanic. It is not uncommon for parents in my community to do their best to keep their kids close to home, despite their acceptances to T10 schools. Often they are forced to stay home and commute to local CC or local lower ranked school. Going away to college is not the norm in our part of the world. Parents might also want them to stay home to help out around the house with younger siblings.

I know a family where both parents went to T20 schools. They don't want their kid to take out loans like they did. State flagship for them with an eye on grad school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am Hispanic. It is not uncommon for parents in my community to do their best to keep their kids close to home, despite their acceptances to T10 schools. Often they are forced to stay home and commute to local CC or local lower ranked school. Going away to college is not the norm in our part of the world. Parents might also want them to stay home to help out around the house with younger siblings.

I know a family where both parents went to T20 schools. They don't want their kid to take out loans like they did. State flagship for them with an eye on grad school

There is also the added cost of traveling home from a T20. State flagships (with honors colleges especially) are full of high end students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am Hispanic. It is not uncommon for parents in my community to do their best to keep their kids close to home, despite their acceptances to T10 schools. Often they are forced to stay home and commute to local CC or local lower ranked school. Going away to college is not the norm in our part of the world. Parents might also want them to stay home to help out around the house with younger siblings.

I know a family where both parents went to T20 schools. They don't want their kid to take out loans like they did. State flagship for them with an eye on grad school

There is also the added cost of traveling home from a T20. State flagships (with honors colleges especially) are full of high end students.

My Hispanic friends daughter was given a stipend to travel home from her SLAC. Just an FYI, I didn’t know that was a thing.

Her brother got into Princeton and did not go for the reasons you mentioned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they’re going to the University of California? In 2020 and 2021 (I don’t have the recent numbers) Latinos were the majority of enrolled students in the UC system. More than Asians or whites. So much for California abolishing affirmative action!

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-07-16/latinos-uc-berkeley-diverse-class-history

You obviously don't understand the demographics of CA at all. Latinos make up about 40% of the population, more than any other racial group, including whites, and more than 2x the number of Asians. So it makes perfect sense that Latinos were the majority of enrolled students in the UC system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they’re going to the University of California? In 2020 and 2021 (I don’t have the recent numbers) Latinos were the majority of enrolled students in the UC system. More than Asians or whites. So much for California abolishing affirmative action!

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-07-16/latinos-uc-berkeley-diverse-class-history

You obviously don't understand the demographics of CA at all. Latinos make up about 40% of the population, more than any other racial group, including whites, and more than 2x the number of Asians. So it makes perfect sense that Latinos were the majority of enrolled students in the UC system.

Yes, I know that Latinos are the majority in CA. My point was be careful what you wish for. All the racists on dcum want to abolish affirmative action but doing so will not necessarily result in a desired outcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they’re going to the University of California? In 2020 and 2021 (I don’t have the recent numbers) Latinos were the majority of enrolled students in the UC system. More than Asians or whites. So much for California abolishing affirmative action!

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-07-16/latinos-uc-berkeley-diverse-class-history

You obviously don't understand the demographics of CA at all. Latinos make up about 40% of the population, more than any other racial group, including whites, and more than 2x the number of Asians. So it makes perfect sense that Latinos were the majority of enrolled students in the UC system.

Yes, I know that Latinos are the majority in CA. My point was be careful what you wish for. All the racists on dcum want to abolish affirmative action but doing so will not necessarily result in a desired outcome.

Lol what do you think the “desired outcome” is?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Studies show the majority if AA at Ivies come from high SES/affluent households.

Race is not the same as circumstance.

I’d be impressed with a poor white kid from Appalachia scoring that high as much as a minority ftom the inner city public housing in low performing public schools.

I wish the emphasis was not on race but circumstances when weighing holistic bumps.

All colleges now have a section where you check 1st gen college student. It’s weighted very high for admissions.

No colleges have “section where you check 1st Gen college student.” You put in your family’s demographic and educational info, and the college interprets from there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe they’re going to the University of California? In 2020 and 2021 (I don’t have the recent numbers) Latinos were the majority of enrolled students in the UC system. More than Asians or whites. So much for California abolishing affirmative action!

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-07-16/latinos-uc-berkeley-diverse-class-history

You obviously don't understand the demographics of CA at all. Latinos make up about 40% of the population, more than any other racial group, including whites, and more than 2x the number of Asians. So it makes perfect sense that Latinos were the majority of enrolled students in the UC system.

Yes, I know that Latinos are the majority in CA. My point was be careful what you wish for. All the racists on dcum want to abolish affirmative action but doing so will not necessarily result in a desired outcome.

Lol what do you think the “desired outcome” is?

Really? I have to spell it out for you?