Roughly 10000 URMs scored 1400-1600 on their SATs in 2022

[Anonymous]

Studies show the majority if AA at Ivies come from high SES/affluent households.

Race is not the same as circumstance.

I’d be impressed with a poor white kid from Appalachia scoring that high as much as a minority ftom the inner city public housing in low performing public schools.

I wish the emphasis was not on race but circumstances when weighing holistic bumps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And many of them grew up in UMC and wealthy households.

Many also check the box with their 1/16th claimed ethnicity.

Nope. No kid with scores like that needs to play those games.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Studies show the majority if AA at Ivies come from high SES/affluent households.

Race is not the same as circumstance.

I’d be impressed with a poor white kid from Appalachia scoring that high as much as a minority ftom the inner city public housing in low performing public schools.

I wish the emphasis was not on race but circumstances when weighing holistic bumps.

Can you share the studies?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Studies show the majority if AA at Ivies come from high SES/affluent households.

Race is not the same as circumstance.

I’d be impressed with a poor white kid from Appalachia scoring that high as much as a minority ftom the inner city public housing in low performing public schools.

I wish the emphasis was not on race but circumstances when weighing holistic bumps.

Add up all of the URMs at the Ivies, MIT, Caltech etc. and the number is no where near 10,000. So where are they?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Studies show the majority if AA at Ivies come from high SES/affluent households.

Race is not the same as circumstance.

I’d be impressed with a poor white kid from Appalachia scoring that high as much as a minority ftom the inner city public housing in low performing public schools.

I wish the emphasis was not on race but circumstances when weighing holistic bumps.

Add up all of the URMs at the Ivies, MIT, Caltech etc. and the number is no where near 10,000. So where are they?

So you truly believe that every black and Hispanic child who scores 1400 should be accepted to the Ivies, MIT and Stanford? Only because they are black or Hispanic and scored 1400, no matter what their GPA is, what ECs they had, if they won any competitions, were leaders of any clubs, volunteered; should be accepted over an Asian or white child who scored 1580, has a 4.6 GPA, 12 APs, is a winner of the national science or math olympiads, was a captain of the school club and volunteered a lot?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anecdotally, my son (AA) is a senior and he got a 1460 (780 verbal/680 math - no prep lol). He didn’t apply to any T20s but he did apply to three T20-T50s and he’s been accepted to all of them.

I hope it’s ok to ask, please tell me off of not
Is he mixed race or AA?
And why didn’t he apply to T20?
Just curious
Thank you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And many of them grew up in UMC and wealthy households.

Many also check the box with their 1/16th claimed ethnicity.

Nope. No kid with scores like that needs to play those games.

BS!!!! Every one of my white relatives and kids had those scores (along with perfect grades and great ECs). Thousands of kids applying to top 20s have all of that. And, NO it is not a sure thing for white kids or Asian kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Studies show the majority if AA at Ivies come from high SES/affluent households.

Race is not the same as circumstance.

I’d be impressed with a poor white kid from Appalachia scoring that high as much as a minority ftom the inner city public housing in low performing public schools.

I wish the emphasis was not on race but circumstances when weighing holistic bumps.

Add up all of the URMs at the Ivies, MIT, Caltech etc. and the number is no where near 10,000. So where are they?

So you truly believe that every black and Hispanic child who scores 1400 should be accepted to the Ivies, MIT and Stanford? Only because they are black or Hispanic and scored 1400, no matter what their GPA is, what ECs they had, if they won any competitions, were leaders of any clubs, volunteered; should be accepted over an Asian or white child who scored 1580, has a 4.6 GPA, 12 APs, is a winner of the national science or math olympiads, was a captain of the school club and volunteered a lot?

Your argument is SO disingenuous it is, frankly, disgusting. These kids that scored BETWEEN 1400-1600 are just as likely to have all the same competitive stats as anyone else applying to the Ivies+. No suggestion that they should be accepted only because of their family background. The question was exactly as direct and simple as stated. Where are they going after high school? There ARE a few thousand URM kids that are just as competitive for the Ivies+ as anyone else. Obviously that aren't all attending Ivies+. So, again, where are they going after high school? HBCUs? Community colleges? Enlisting in the military? Just any old school within a morning's commute?

None of the original question concerns admissions standards at the Ivies+. None of it. None of it. None of it. It is simply "What do high performing URMs do after high school?" If anyone has any information then please share it with links.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Studies show the majority if AA at Ivies come from high SES/affluent households.

Race is not the same as circumstance.

I’d be impressed with a poor white kid from Appalachia scoring that high as much as a minority ftom the inner city public housing in low performing public schools.

I wish the emphasis was not on race but circumstances when weighing holistic bumps.

Add up all of the URMs at the Ivies, MIT, Caltech etc. and the number is no where near 10,000. So where are they?

Likely because, if these scores are normally distributed as one would expect, the 10k population of URM students drop off really fast above 1400 relative to other groups and they are vastly outnumbered at scores like 1450 or 1500 that would be needed to compete at this level. That just how the math works. It would be fascinating to see the data binned every hundred points.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2022-total-group-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report.pdf

Where do these students end up? I'm sure a handful are at HYPs, etc. But does anyone have real data / documentation on where these kids actually end up?

Please, real information if you have it. With links. Thank-you in advance!

I don't have aggregate stats. But, my URM son has been accepted to a Top 25 and some Top 75 schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Studies show the majority if AA at Ivies come from high SES/affluent households.

Race is not the same as circumstance.

I’d be impressed with a poor white kid from Appalachia scoring that high as much as a minority ftom the inner city public housing in low performing public schools.

I wish the emphasis was not on race but circumstances when weighing holistic bumps.

Add up all of the URMs at the Ivies, MIT, Caltech etc. and the number is no where near 10,000. So where are they?

Likely because, if these scores are normally distributed as one would expect, the 10k population of URM students drop off really fast above 1400 relative to other groups and they are vastly outnumbered at scores like 1450 or 1500 that would be needed to compete at this level. That just how the math works. It would be fascinating to see the data binned every hundred points.

Clearly you haven’t looked at data that was shared by OP.

OP, to answer your question, these kids are going to one of the thousands of colleges in the US, just like everybody else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:High scores are less valuable in the test optional environment, URM or not.

"High scores" don't mean much with super scoring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Studies show the majority if AA at Ivies come from high SES/affluent households.

Race is not the same as circumstance.

I’d be impressed with a poor white kid from Appalachia scoring that high as much as a minority ftom the inner city public housing in low performing public schools.

I wish the emphasis was not on race but circumstances when weighing holistic bumps.

This!! The URMs at my child’s top private are the kids of CEOs, hedge fund managers, a prominent actress and two Brazilian families with tens of millions in the bank. These kids are highly tutored and as privileged as it gets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Studies show the majority if AA at Ivies come from high SES/affluent households.

Race is not the same as circumstance.

I’d be impressed with a poor white kid from Appalachia scoring that high as much as a minority ftom the inner city public housing in low performing public schools.

I wish the emphasis was not on race but circumstances when weighing holistic bumps.

Add up all of the URMs at the Ivies, MIT, Caltech etc. and the number is no where near 10,000. So where are they?

So you truly believe that every black and Hispanic child who scores 1400 should be accepted to the Ivies, MIT and Stanford? Only because they are black or Hispanic and scored 1400, no matter what their GPA is, what ECs they had, if they won any competitions, were leaders of any clubs, volunteered; should be accepted over an Asian or white child who scored 1580, has a 4.6 GPA, 12 APs, is a winner of the national science or math olympiads, was a captain of the school club and volunteered a lot?

Your argument is SO disingenuous it is, frankly, disgusting. These kids that scored BETWEEN 1400-1600 are just as likely to have all the same competitive stats as anyone else applying to the Ivies+. No suggestion that they should be accepted only because of their family background. The question was exactly as direct and simple as stated. Where are they going after high school? There ARE a few thousand URM kids that are just as competitive for the Ivies+ as anyone else. Obviously that aren't all attending Ivies+. So, again, where are they going after high school? HBCUs? Community colleges? Enlisting in the military? Just any old school within a morning's commute?

None of the original question concerns admissions standards at the Ivies+. None of it. None of it. None of it. It is simply "What do high performing URMs do after high school?" If anyone has any information then please share it with links.

Based on the report, about 139,000 test takers scored 1400-1600, only 2,000 of which are black and 8,000 are Hispanic. Yet, you somehow expected all the 10,000 black and Hispanic kids to attend the Ivies/MIT/Standford over the remaining equally qualified 129,000 students. A fair proportion based on the score alone at the Ivies/MIT/Stanford then would be 1 black : 4 Hispanic : 23 Asian : 25 white.

[Anonymous]

Maybe they’re going to the University of California? In 2020 and 2021 (I don’t have the recent numbers) Latinos were the majority of enrolled students in the UC system. More than Asians or whites. So much for California abolishing affirmative action!

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-07-16/latinos-uc-berkeley-diverse-class-history