Is anyone’s sleepaway camp requiring the bivalent booster?

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Anonymous wrote:OP back. Thank you to those who responded. For those whose camps are requiring it, have they said why? Unless everyone gets boosted a month before camp, it is not going to do anything to protect the camp community from transmission (and even a month before the effect is limited).

They don't have to.

Don't send your kid.

It's a weed out, use your brain. These are businesses. They need kids to attend. They want to minimize the outbreaks. Parents who care about whether their kid gets and spreads covid will attend the others will go else where.

Is this a perfect solution of course not and they know that.

If you don't like it go to another camp.

This. Even if the booster is less effective by the time the kid goes to camp, requiring boosters means that the kids at the camp will overall be more protected against covid generally. Also, people who are fully vaccinated are more likely to take reasonable precautions against covid generally and therefore are less likely to send their kids to camp with covid. Finally, the policy has the effect of weeding out anti-vax covid-deniers who are more likely to bring covid into the camp.

If anyone is inclined to respond that some source now says none of this thinking is correct, include a link to the studies supporting your position or I’m not going to bother responding.

You can achieve all of those goals with requiring pre camp testing rather than vaccines with limited risk / benefit data.

Agree. They can require pre-camp testing if they want. Less invasive and reasonable. Requiring boosters is completely unacceptable with the data that we have.

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Anonymous wrote:OP back. Thank you to those who responded. For those whose camps are requiring it, have they said why? Unless everyone gets boosted a month before camp, it is not going to do anything to protect the camp community from transmission (and even a month before the effect is limited).

Because they run a summer camp and Science education here in the US is pretty bad.

Most people don't understand Science and how all this works. Heck, our public health 'experts' really screwed this all up.

There should be solid guidance from the CDC on what to do about this with respect to boosters in kids for camps/schools. Unfortunately our federal government continues to fail our kids. The CDC should come out strongly against booster mandates in anyone under the age of 40. Why has that not happened?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes our camp in Maine requires it.

My sisters kids go to a camp in a very red state. They are not.
She is not sending them this year.

She must not understand science.

NO she is an actual scientist so yeah she does...

You on the other hand don't. Grow up.

+1

Thanks for showing up with the +1. I’m still waiting for the data to prove me wrong.

Thanks for proving to everyone you are an a$$$

You're the a$$ without data. I'm still waiting to be given the risk/benefit data on additional shots for kids with 2-3 shots plus covid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP back. Thank you to those who responded. For those whose camps are requiring it, have they said why? Unless everyone gets boosted a month before camp, it is not going to do anything to protect the camp community from transmission (and even a month before the effect is limited).

Because they run a summer camp and Science education here in the US is pretty bad.

Most people don't understand Science and how all this works. Heck, our public health 'experts' really screwed this all up.

There should be solid guidance from the CDC on what to do about this with respect to boosters in kids for camps/schools. Unfortunately our federal government continues to fail our kids. The CDC should come out strongly against booster mandates in anyone under the age of 40. Why has that not happened?

Totally agree.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP back. Thank you to those who responded. For those whose camps are requiring it, have they said why? Unless everyone gets boosted a month before camp, it is not going to do anything to protect the camp community from transmission (and even a month before the effect is limited).

They don't have to.

Don't send your kid.

It's a weed out, use your brain. These are businesses. They need kids to attend. They want to minimize the outbreaks. Parents who care about whether their kid gets and spreads covid will attend the others will go else where.

Is this a perfect solution of course not and they know that.

If you don't like it go to another camp.

This. Even if the booster is less effective by the time the kid goes to camp, requiring boosters means that the kids at the camp will overall be more protected against covid generally. Also, people who are fully vaccinated are more likely to take reasonable precautions against covid generally and therefore are less likely to send their kids to camp with covid. Finally, the policy has the effect of weeding out anti-vax covid-deniers who are more likely to bring covid into the camp.

If anyone is inclined to respond that some source now says none of this thinking is correct, include a link to the studies supporting your position or I’m not going to bother responding.

https://yournews.com/2023/02/10/2507676/cleveland-clinic-confirms-that-immune-system-function-decreases-with-each/

From the Cleveland Clinic, no less.

If you can cite to the Cleveland Clinic study directly, I will take a look. But links to rando sites purporting to summarize studies they may not properly represent do not qualify.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.17.22283625v1.full.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:https://yournews.com/2023/02/10/2507676/cleveland-clinic-confirms-that-immune-system-function-decreases-with-each/
From the Cleveland Clinic, no less.

Nutjob site.

Here's the actual study: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.12.17.22283625v1.full
And an article with some accompanying statements: https://thecourier.com/news/436135/covid-vaccine-study-raises-questions-about-boosters/

There's apparently some kind of confounding factor involved in "who gets vaccinated more frequently" and "who gets infected more". We're talking about a population of health care workers, so one likely hypothesis is that the workers who are getting boosted more often are the ones who face a high danger of daily exposure (i.e. ER workers, respiratory therapists, etc.), and so they're getting COVID more often despite routinely getting their vaccination updated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am very pro-vaccine but my kid just had covid (got the primary series when it came out and a booster in late spring). We’d been unsure whether a bivalent a few months after booster number 1 made sense so were waiting. Based on info on the website I think the camp is going to require bivalent for all which concerns me. We would much rather wait to boost in the fall. It feels like a waste to do it now/soon and doesn’t the science show that a longer gap between doses makes them more effective? I am just curious if many camps have announced they’re requiring this. I haven’t contacted the camp yet for clarification and have no idea what we’ll do if it’s required. DC loved it last year and we’re past the point when we can get a full refund.

Your camp requirement, considering the risk of the shot, is absolutely insane. Do your own research which includes opposing opinions. Why wouldn’t you?

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Camps are requiring COVID bivalent boosters for children when hospitals don't even require it for healthcare workers.

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OP - our camp just changed their bivalent booster policy to only strongly recommends!

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How comfortable are you with your kid getting Covid at camp? Start there.

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Anonymous wrote:OP - our camp just changed their bivalent booster policy to only strongly recommends!

that’s great!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How comfortable are you with your kid getting Covid at camp? Start there.

But remember the booster only really prevents infection for a couple of months.

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Anonymous wrote:How comfortable are you with your kid getting Covid at camp? Start there.

Getting a booster does not make it less likely that your kid catches Covid. We have stats to back that up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP - our camp just changed their bivalent booster policy to only strongly recommends!

So glad to hear that. Any booster vaccine requirement for KIDS is complete unethical based on the data we have.