MCPS leadership gives pathetic response to bathroom safety concerns raised by parents

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just have stupid rfid bracelets or cards to swipe in bathrooms, duh. Data can be used to tell if students are hanging in there too long, which probably implies drug use.

You obviously haven’t worked in a high school. One kid would swipe to open the door and then let in 5 other people. Some kids won’t wear a bracelet or carry a card on them. You can’t kick a kid in a stall out if a bathroom, it doesn’t matter how long they take. And if students don’t want to leave a bathroom you can no longer make them as long as they are just standing there. There aren’t really many consequences any more and students know this. So threats that something will happen to them are just laughed off.

No, obviously you'd have a turnstile system to get in and out. Just like how NYC subways only allow one person though at a time at turnstiles that run from floor to ceiling.

Not hard.

You don't have to kick them out of anything. You track their data use for bathrooms, times in and out, and track who they're constantly meeting with in bathrooms. You analyze their data for suspicious activity. Staying in the bathroom for a long time once per week isn't going to raise red flags. It's something like staying the bathrooms for 10+ minutes between every class every single day above and beyond the typical standard deviation of use that will raise red flags.

Any suspected drug buying and selling, you then escalate to search for lockers. You restrict their access to bathrooms, or you at least can start building up a stronger case for searching for contraband on the person.

This is laughable. As if a fire Marshall would approve that. In case of fire it would take to long to vacate that space. And too long for EMT’s to enter in case of an emergency. It isn’t wheelchair accessible so it I would never be ADA approved. Additionally a student could jam or block the turnstile so no one could enter. And your idea to restrict bathrooms if you have a pattern of taking too long- not allowed.

It’s laughable how some people think the problem is so easy to solve.

And yet they're used evrywhere in NYC and millions of passengers have to go through them a year. You'd have emergency doors for fires and handicap access, duh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just have stupid rfid bracelets or cards to swipe in bathrooms, duh. Data can be used to tell if students are hanging in there too long, which probably implies drug use.

You obviously haven’t worked in a high school. One kid would swipe to open the door and then let in 5 other people. Some kids won’t wear a bracelet or carry a card on them. You can’t kick a kid in a stall out if a bathroom, it doesn’t matter how long they take. And if students don’t want to leave a bathroom you can no longer make them as long as they are just standing there. There aren’t really many consequences any more and students know this. So threats that something will happen to them are just laughed off.

No, obviously you'd have a turnstile system to get in and out. Just like how NYC subways only allow one person though at a time at turnstiles that run from floor to ceiling.

Not hard.

You don't have to kick them out of anything. You track their data use for bathrooms, times in and out, and track who they're constantly meeting with in bathrooms. You analyze their data for suspicious activity. Staying in the bathroom for a long time once per week isn't going to raise red flags. It's something like staying the bathrooms for 10+ minutes between every class every single day above and beyond the typical standard deviation of use that will raise red flags.

Any suspected drug buying and selling, you then escalate to search for lockers. You restrict their access to bathrooms, or you at least can start building up a stronger case for searching for contraband on the person.

This is laughable. As if a fire Marshall would approve that. In case of fire it would take to long to vacate that space. And too long for EMT’s to enter in case of an emergency. It isn’t wheelchair accessible so it I would never be ADA approved. Additionally a student could jam or block the turnstile so no one could enter. And your idea to restrict bathrooms if you have a pattern of taking too long- not allowed.

It’s laughable how some people think the problem is so easy to solve.

If you are sure there is illegal drug trafficking, notify the police. It's their job to deal with this not MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just have stupid rfid bracelets or cards to swipe in bathrooms, duh. Data can be used to tell if students are hanging in there too long, which probably implies drug use.

You obviously haven’t worked in a high school. One kid would swipe to open the door and then let in 5 other people. Some kids won’t wear a bracelet or carry a card on them. You can’t kick a kid in a stall out if a bathroom, it doesn’t matter how long they take. And if students don’t want to leave a bathroom you can no longer make them as long as they are just standing there. There aren’t really many consequences any more and students know this. So threats that something will happen to them are just laughed off.

No, obviously you'd have a turnstile system to get in and out. Just like how NYC subways only allow one person though at a time at turnstiles that run from floor to ceiling.

Not hard.

You don't have to kick them out of anything. You track their data use for bathrooms, times in and out, and track who they're constantly meeting with in bathrooms. You analyze their data for suspicious activity. Staying in the bathroom for a long time once per week isn't going to raise red flags. It's something like staying the bathrooms for 10+ minutes between every class every single day above and beyond the typical standard deviation of use that will raise red flags.

Any suspected drug buying and selling, you then escalate to search for lockers. You restrict their access to bathrooms, or you at least can start building up a stronger case for searching for contraband on the person.

Turnstiles, personal data trackers, and database analysis for bathrooms in public high schools. Orwellian.

Oh give me a break. Drug use, sexual assaults, violence, even weapons.....that's more like Battle Royale than 'school'. Students lost their rights after they started behaving like wild feral animals.

Show me in the constitution where a student has a right to use public school bathrooms without having their use tracked.

When we were in school we had to have some kind of hall pass and staff were in the hall monitoring and asking to see it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fox 5 covered the issue as part of a meeting B-CC PTSA parents are having with them on bathroom safety issues at the school: https://www.fox5dc.com/video/1173523

MCPS COO Brian Hull's great idea is to do hall sweeps in the bathrooms before class. How he's going to manage that with existing security personnel numbers, he doesn't say. And he admits they don't have enough female security officers to do sweeps of the girls bathrooms.

This is the best MCPS can do? Pathetic!

Yes, why don't you lead a squadron of high anxiety parents to donate stools and take two hour shifts to man each of the 24 bathrooms. Better to spend all this time to actually parent your kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fox 5 covered the issue as part of a meeting B-CC PTSA parents are having with them on bathroom safety issues at the school: https://www.fox5dc.com/video/1173523

MCPS COO Brian Hull's great idea is to do hall sweeps in the bathrooms before class. How he's going to manage that with existing security personnel numbers, he doesn't say. And he admits they don't have enough female security officers to do sweeps of the girls bathrooms.

This is the best MCPS can do? Pathetic!

Yes, why don't you lead a squadron of high anxiety parents to donate stools and take two hour shifts to man each of the 24 bathrooms. Better to spend all this time to actually parent your kids.

So, what do you propose should be done?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sweeps, hall monitoring, etc. won't really be effective. Kids will text each other, meet up in the bathroom, make the transaction or take drugs/vape, and then go back to class. It happens really fast.

Exactly. The high anxiety parents do not have any reasoning or practical skills so their heads are just spinning and screaming. And teach their kids to do the same.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Clearly, it is the best they can do. Why don't you volunteer as security to walk the halls?

Quick. Who wants to play spot the MCPS employee? Get a life. Change careers if you hate kids this much that drug use going on in bathrooms doesn't concern you.

What does this even mean???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clearly, it is the best they can do. Why don't you volunteer as security to walk the halls?

Unlikely that MCPS would allow the OP to volunteer. I would imagine they would want well-trained security personnel to do that job in case there are issues with a student doing drugs, etc.

Well, they would not actually actively do anything. They just sit there as a deterrence. Let's let them have this job so they can settle down.

Actually, most kids do not have an issue with going to the bathroom. They just go the their stall and do their thing. Easy-peasy. The issue is locking them so that kids cannot go to the bathroom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fox 5 covered the issue as part of a meeting B-CC PTSA parents are having with them on bathroom safety issues at the school: https://www.fox5dc.com/video/1173523

MCPS COO Brian Hull's great idea is to do hall sweeps in the bathrooms before class. How he's going to manage that with existing security personnel numbers, he doesn't say. And he admits they don't have enough female security officers to do sweeps of the girls bathrooms.

This is the best MCPS can do? Pathetic!

Yes, why don't you lead a squadron of high anxiety parents to donate stools and take two hour shifts to man each of the 24 bathrooms. Better to spend all this time to actually parent your kids.

If your suggestion is that parents should volunteer to provide bathroom security, why are we paying MCPS personnel to serve in the security and safety functions? Are they just there to stare at the walls?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clearly, it is the best they can do. Why don't you volunteer as security to walk the halls?

Quick. Who wants to play spot the MCPS employee? Get a life. Change careers if you hate kids this much that drug use going on in bathrooms doesn't concern you.

I don't work for MCPS, good try. If no one else wants those jobs and you are complaining you should be the first to step up and do it.

If you don’t work for the school system, then what’s your motivation for the boot licking?

You get a kick out of kids being traumatized?

Most kids are actually not traumatize and sadly, most kids think it is funny. So this tells me that you need to teach your kid to BUCK UP!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just have stupid rfid bracelets or cards to swipe in bathrooms, duh. Data can be used to tell if students are hanging in there too long, which probably implies drug use.

Or, the kid has their period or diarrhea.

They just need to open up all the bathrooms . This is ridiculous that bathroom doors are locked because some kids are lacking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clearly, it is the best they can do. Why don't you volunteer as security to walk the halls?

Unlikely that MCPS would allow the OP to volunteer. I would imagine they would want well-trained security personnel to do that job in case there are issues with a student doing drugs, etc.

Well, they would not actually actively do anything. They just sit there as a deterrence. Let's let them have this job so they can settle down.

Actually, most kids do not have an issue with going to the bathroom. They just go the their stall and do their thing. Easy-peasy. The issue is locking them so that kids cannot go to the bathroom.

Why are you ignoring the kids who are repeatedly and publicly saying they're assaulted by the sights and smells of drug use, witnessing violence or assault or the victim of both and that it makes them AVOID USING THE BATHROOM.

What do you gain from denying and ignoring this? Why doesn't their safety and wellbeing matter to you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just have stupid rfid bracelets or cards to swipe in bathrooms, duh. Data can be used to tell if students are hanging in there too long, which probably implies drug use.

Or, the kid has their period or diarrhea.

They just need to open up all the bathrooms . This is ridiculous that bathroom doors are locked because some kids are lacking.

They are not lacking. They are behaving in ways that are harmful to themselves and others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clearly, it is the best they can do. Why don't you volunteer as security to walk the halls?

Quick. Who wants to play spot the MCPS employee? Get a life. Change careers if you hate kids this much that drug use going on in bathrooms doesn't concern you.

I don't work for MCPS, good try. If no one else wants those jobs and you are complaining you should be the first to step up and do it.

If you don’t work for the school system, then what’s your motivation for the boot licking?

You get a kick out of kids being traumatized?

Most kids are actually not traumatize and sadly, most kids think it is funny. So this tells me that you need to teach your kid to BUCK UP!!!

Holy crap. Seriously? I pray that you do not work for MCPS with this POV. This literally flies in the face of prioritizing the mental health and wellbeing of students by DISMISSING what they are telling you TRAUMATIZES them. SHAME ON YOU.

I don't know a single high schooler who thinks the drug use and violence in the bathrooms is funny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fox 5 covered the issue as part of a meeting B-CC PTSA parents are having with them on bathroom safety issues at the school: https://www.fox5dc.com/video/1173523

MCPS COO Brian Hull's great idea is to do hall sweeps in the bathrooms before class. How he's going to manage that with existing security personnel numbers, he doesn't say. And he admits they don't have enough female security officers to do sweeps of the girls bathrooms.

This is the best MCPS can do? Pathetic!

Yes, why don't you lead a squadron of high anxiety parents to donate stools and take two hour shifts to man each of the 24 bathrooms. Better to spend all this time to actually parent your kids.

So, what do you propose should be done?

Have parents that teach them how to deal with situations and not go crazy or start crying when they come upon an unexpected or undesired situation. So you go into the bathroom. There are kids in there vaping or selling drugs. Go to your stall, pee and go tell a teacher if you are so inclined. Or go the the next bathroom. The real problem is the parents who are not parenting their kids. You should go after them!