Errands after dark - am I the only one reconsidering

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We thought about DTSS because it was so much cheaper but due to the longer commute to downtown Washington on the red line, we bit the bullet and paid 20 percent more to live somewhere else. I’m so glad we did. Our neighborhood has not been free of crime — nowhere is — but it hasn’t suffered from nearly as much violent crime as DTSS. Even if we switched jobs and DTSS was closer to our new jobs I don’t think I’d want to move there now. I know a lot of people like DTSS and aren’t bothered by the crime, and I’m glad they found a place they like. For me it’s just too much.

The people that are not bothered by the crime also seem to be the same people who support the enclavement of DTSS which results in making the neighborhood less convenient, as you deduced, and serves to increase crime. It’s unfortunate. While on an objective data basis it may not prove that your current neighborhood or DTSS are safer, the fact that you feel safer is very important and as you have also deduced, living under the constant uncertainty of how bad crime can get in that neighborhood has significant effects on your quality of life.

What is the "enclavement of DTSS"?

Leading urbanist Ed Glasser says that the “15 minute city” concept is equal to enclavement and ghettoization that reduces opportunity. This concept is being actively promoted by many in Silver Spring as the organizing principle for planning and development of Silver Spring. These same individuals have publicly balked at efforts to reduce sources of crime in the community.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/covid19/2021/05/28/the-15-minute-city-is-a-dead-end-cities-must-be-places-of-opportunity-for-everyone/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We thought about DTSS because it was so much cheaper but due to the longer commute to downtown Washington on the red line, we bit the bullet and paid 20 percent more to live somewhere else. I’m so glad we did. Our neighborhood has not been free of crime — nowhere is — but it hasn’t suffered from nearly as much violent crime as DTSS. Even if we switched jobs and DTSS was closer to our new jobs I don’t think I’d want to move there now. I know a lot of people like DTSS and aren’t bothered by the crime, and I’m glad they found a place they like. For me it’s just too much.

The people that are not bothered by the crime also seem to be the same people who support the enclavement of DTSS which results in making the neighborhood less convenient, as you deduced, and serves to increase crime. It’s unfortunate. While on an objective data basis it may not prove that your current neighborhood or DTSS are safer, the fact that you feel safer is very important and as you have also deduced, living under the constant uncertainty of how bad crime can get in that neighborhood has significant effects on your quality of life.

What is the "enclavement of DTSS"?

Leading urbanist Ed Glasser says that the “15 minute city” concept is equal to enclavement and ghettoization that reduces opportunity. This concept is being actively promoted by many in Silver Spring as the organizing principle for planning and development of Silver Spring. These same individuals have publicly balked at efforts to reduce sources of crime in the community.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/covid19/2021/05/28/the-15-minute-city-is-a-dead-end-cities-must-be-places-of-opportunity-for-everyone/

"Leading urbanist" Ed Glaeser? Ha. Not to mention that he should be embarrassed about that blog post, which consists of arguments against things nobody is arguing for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We thought about DTSS because it was so much cheaper but due to the longer commute to downtown Washington on the red line, we bit the bullet and paid 20 percent more to live somewhere else. I’m so glad we did. Our neighborhood has not been free of crime — nowhere is — but it hasn’t suffered from nearly as much violent crime as DTSS. Even if we switched jobs and DTSS was closer to our new jobs I don’t think I’d want to move there now. I know a lot of people like DTSS and aren’t bothered by the crime, and I’m glad they found a place they like. For me it’s just too much.

The people that are not bothered by the crime also seem to be the same people who support the enclavement of DTSS which results in making the neighborhood less convenient, as you deduced, and serves to increase crime. It’s unfortunate. While on an objective data basis it may not prove that your current neighborhood or DTSS are safer, the fact that you feel safer is very important and as you have also deduced, living under the constant uncertainty of how bad crime can get in that neighborhood has significant effects on your quality of life.

What is the "enclavement of DTSS"?

Leading urbanist Ed Glasser says that the “15 minute city” concept is equal to enclavement and ghettoization that reduces opportunity. This concept is being actively promoted by many in Silver Spring as the organizing principle for planning and development of Silver Spring. These same individuals have publicly balked at efforts to reduce sources of crime in the community.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/covid19/2021/05/28/the-15-minute-city-is-a-dead-end-cities-must-be-places-of-opportunity-for-everyone/

"Leading urbanist" Ed Glaeser? Ha. Not to mention that he should be embarrassed about that blog post, which consists of arguments against things nobody is arguing for.

Is your contention, anon DCUM rando, that Harvard professor Glaeser is not one of the foremost urban economist in the U.S. and lacks expertise in this area? That’s pretty bold.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In college in the 90s we did "take back the night" marches and safe spaces and all that, but I was never duped that the world is actually safe..since Chandra Levy I haven't walked alone in a park and certainly wouldn't do errands after dark OR early morning. The current system/and changemakers don't "care" about crime victims. Not only are they not proactive, but not even reactive. Be wise and look out for Numero uno.

You’re insane.

It’s so insane that every university in the country has emergency phones all over campus and night time escort services?

If you don’t have access to an emergency phone or a night time escort, then avoiding walking alone at night time in areas where crime is a concern makes total sense.

What doesn’t make sense is to have so little regard for public safety.

Don't really see why it matters to you if I don't take any extra precautions for my own safety, though. In the (very unlikely) event that I'm mugged, how does that make your life worse?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We thought about DTSS because it was so much cheaper but due to the longer commute to downtown Washington on the red line, we bit the bullet and paid 20 percent more to live somewhere else. I’m so glad we did. Our neighborhood has not been free of crime — nowhere is — but it hasn’t suffered from nearly as much violent crime as DTSS. Even if we switched jobs and DTSS was closer to our new jobs I don’t think I’d want to move there now. I know a lot of people like DTSS and aren’t bothered by the crime, and I’m glad they found a place they like. For me it’s just too much.

The people that are not bothered by the crime also seem to be the same people who support the enclavement of DTSS which results in making the neighborhood less convenient, as you deduced, and serves to increase crime. It’s unfortunate. While on an objective data basis it may not prove that your current neighborhood or DTSS are safer, the fact that you feel safer is very important and as you have also deduced, living under the constant uncertainty of how bad crime can get in that neighborhood has significant effects on your quality of life.

What is the "enclavement of DTSS"?

Leading urbanist Ed Glasser says that the “15 minute city” concept is equal to enclavement and ghettoization that reduces opportunity. This concept is being actively promoted by many in Silver Spring as the organizing principle for planning and development of Silver Spring. These same individuals have publicly balked at efforts to reduce sources of crime in the community.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/covid19/2021/05/28/the-15-minute-city-is-a-dead-end-cities-must-be-places-of-opportunity-for-everyone/

"Leading urbanist" Ed Glaeser? Ha. Not to mention that he should be embarrassed about that blog post, which consists of arguments against things nobody is arguing for.

Is your contention, anon DCUM rando, that Harvard professor Glaeser is not one of the foremost urban economist in the U.S. and lacks expertise in this area? That’s pretty bold.

Did you read the blog post? Who is saying that people should be forced to stay within their 15-minute areas, whether or not it has what they need, and that there should be no connections between 15-minute areas? That's what he's arguing against.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, I try to avoid errands in the dark now, and I'm in NOVA. I used to go grocery shopping a lot at night pre-pandemic.

Same. There are too many car jackings and robberies here now just the other day there was one with a 4 year old kid in the car.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No. If you want to actually keep yourself safer, you'll walk instead of driving, day or night. Car accidents and obesity, that's what'll kill you, not crime.

Give it a break.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We thought about DTSS because it was so much cheaper but due to the longer commute to downtown Washington on the red line, we bit the bullet and paid 20 percent more to live somewhere else. I’m so glad we did. Our neighborhood has not been free of crime — nowhere is — but it hasn’t suffered from nearly as much violent crime as DTSS. Even if we switched jobs and DTSS was closer to our new jobs I don’t think I’d want to move there now. I know a lot of people like DTSS and aren’t bothered by the crime, and I’m glad they found a place they like. For me it’s just too much.

The people that are not bothered by the crime also seem to be the same people who support the enclavement of DTSS which results in making the neighborhood less convenient, as you deduced, and serves to increase crime. It’s unfortunate. While on an objective data basis it may not prove that your current neighborhood or DTSS are safer, the fact that you feel safer is very important and as you have also deduced, living under the constant uncertainty of how bad crime can get in that neighborhood has significant effects on your quality of life.

What is the "enclavement of DTSS"?

Leading urbanist Ed Glasser says that the “15 minute city” concept is equal to enclavement and ghettoization that reduces opportunity. This concept is being actively promoted by many in Silver Spring as the organizing principle for planning and development of Silver Spring. These same individuals have publicly balked at efforts to reduce sources of crime in the community.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/covid19/2021/05/28/the-15-minute-city-is-a-dead-end-cities-must-be-places-of-opportunity-for-everyone/

"Leading urbanist" Ed Glaeser? Ha. Not to mention that he should be embarrassed about that blog post, which consists of arguments against things nobody is arguing for.

Is your contention, anon DCUM rando, that Harvard professor Glaeser is not one of the foremost urban economist in the U.S. and lacks expertise in this area? That’s pretty bold.

Did you read the blog post? Who is saying that people should be forced to stay within their 15-minute areas, whether or not it has what they need, and that there should be no connections between 15-minute areas? That's what he's arguing against.

That is not what is said, so you are misconstruing the point. If DTSS is determined to follow this path, there is evidence that it can lead to more crime.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve never gone anywhere alone at night.

Privilege at its finest

No it's not, it's smart planning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree that something has shifted and I also do not run errands at night anymore. Never gave it a second thought before.

This East Bethesda neighborhood is also quite walkable. The CVS I go to weekly. https://bethesdamagazine.com/2023/01/13/employee-at-bethesda-cvs-stabbed-during-attempted-robbery-police-say/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We thought about DTSS because it was so much cheaper but due to the longer commute to downtown Washington on the red line, we bit the bullet and paid 20 percent more to live somewhere else. I’m so glad we did. Our neighborhood has not been free of crime — nowhere is — but it hasn’t suffered from nearly as much violent crime as DTSS. Even if we switched jobs and DTSS was closer to our new jobs I don’t think I’d want to move there now. I know a lot of people like DTSS and aren’t bothered by the crime, and I’m glad they found a place they like. For me it’s just too much.

The people that are not bothered by the crime also seem to be the same people who support the enclavement of DTSS which results in making the neighborhood less convenient, as you deduced, and serves to increase crime. It’s unfortunate. While on an objective data basis it may not prove that your current neighborhood or DTSS are safer, the fact that you feel safer is very important and as you have also deduced, living under the constant uncertainty of how bad crime can get in that neighborhood has significant effects on your quality of life.

What is the "enclavement of DTSS"?

Leading urbanist Ed Glasser says that the “15 minute city” concept is equal to enclavement and ghettoization that reduces opportunity. This concept is being actively promoted by many in Silver Spring as the organizing principle for planning and development of Silver Spring. These same individuals have publicly balked at efforts to reduce sources of crime in the community.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/covid19/2021/05/28/the-15-minute-city-is-a-dead-end-cities-must-be-places-of-opportunity-for-everyone/

"Leading urbanist" Ed Glaeser? Ha. Not to mention that he should be embarrassed about that blog post, which consists of arguments against things nobody is arguing for.

Is your contention, anon DCUM rando, that Harvard professor Glaeser is not one of the foremost urban economist in the U.S. and lacks expertise in this area? That’s pretty bold.

Did you read the blog post? Who is saying that people should be forced to stay within their 15-minute areas, whether or not it has what they need, and that there should be no connections between 15-minute areas? That's what he's arguing against.

That is not what is said, so you are misconstruing the point. If DTSS is determined to follow this path, there is evidence that it can lead to more crime.

15-minute city: it should be possible for people to get their daily necessities within a 15-minute walk or bike ride of their homes.
you: this will lead to more crime!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In college in the 90s we did "take back the night" marches and safe spaces and all that, but I was never duped that the world is actually safe..since Chandra Levy I haven't walked alone in a park and certainly wouldn't do errands after dark OR early morning. The current system/and changemakers don't "care" about crime victims. Not only are they not proactive, but not even reactive. Be wise and look out for Numero uno.

You’re insane.

It’s so insane that every university in the country has emergency phones all over campus and night time escort services?

If you don’t have access to an emergency phone or a night time escort, then avoiding walking alone at night time in areas where crime is a concern makes total sense.

What doesn’t make sense is to have so little regard for public safety.

Don't really see why it matters to you if I don't take any extra precautions for my own safety, though. In the (very unlikely) event that I'm mugged, how does that make your life worse?

On the one level, it does matter because we should all have an interest in keeping our community safe. If we stop being concerned for others safety and only our own, that’s not conducive to building a strong community.

In terms of your specific question, what I would in turn ask is if your focus is individualized, why do you feel it’s necessary to antagonize others who make a different choice?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We thought about DTSS because it was so much cheaper but due to the longer commute to downtown Washington on the red line, we bit the bullet and paid 20 percent more to live somewhere else. I’m so glad we did. Our neighborhood has not been free of crime — nowhere is — but it hasn’t suffered from nearly as much violent crime as DTSS. Even if we switched jobs and DTSS was closer to our new jobs I don’t think I’d want to move there now. I know a lot of people like DTSS and aren’t bothered by the crime, and I’m glad they found a place they like. For me it’s just too much.

The people that are not bothered by the crime also seem to be the same people who support the enclavement of DTSS which results in making the neighborhood less convenient, as you deduced, and serves to increase crime. It’s unfortunate. While on an objective data basis it may not prove that your current neighborhood or DTSS are safer, the fact that you feel safer is very important and as you have also deduced, living under the constant uncertainty of how bad crime can get in that neighborhood has significant effects on your quality of life.

What is the "enclavement of DTSS"?

Leading urbanist Ed Glasser says that the “15 minute city” concept is equal to enclavement and ghettoization that reduces opportunity. This concept is being actively promoted by many in Silver Spring as the organizing principle for planning and development of Silver Spring. These same individuals have publicly balked at efforts to reduce sources of crime in the community.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/covid19/2021/05/28/the-15-minute-city-is-a-dead-end-cities-must-be-places-of-opportunity-for-everyone/

"Leading urbanist" Ed Glaeser? Ha. Not to mention that he should be embarrassed about that blog post, which consists of arguments against things nobody is arguing for.

Is your contention, anon DCUM rando, that Harvard professor Glaeser is not one of the foremost urban economist in the U.S. and lacks expertise in this area? That’s pretty bold.

Did you read the blog post? Who is saying that people should be forced to stay within their 15-minute areas, whether or not it has what they need, and that there should be no connections between 15-minute areas? That's what he's arguing against.

That is not what is said, so you are misconstruing the point. If DTSS is determined to follow this path, there is evidence that it can lead to more crime.

15-minute city: it should be possible for people to get their daily necessities within a 15-minute walk or bike ride of their homes.
you: this will lead to more crime!

You have not addressed the specific critique of this concept by the leading urban economist in the country that directly leads to such a conclusion. Everyone is free to their own opinions, however I prefer to listen to experts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We thought about DTSS because it was so much cheaper but due to the longer commute to downtown Washington on the red line, we bit the bullet and paid 20 percent more to live somewhere else. I’m so glad we did. Our neighborhood has not been free of crime — nowhere is — but it hasn’t suffered from nearly as much violent crime as DTSS. Even if we switched jobs and DTSS was closer to our new jobs I don’t think I’d want to move there now. I know a lot of people like DTSS and aren’t bothered by the crime, and I’m glad they found a place they like. For me it’s just too much.

The people that are not bothered by the crime also seem to be the same people who support the enclavement of DTSS which results in making the neighborhood less convenient, as you deduced, and serves to increase crime. It’s unfortunate. While on an objective data basis it may not prove that your current neighborhood or DTSS are safer, the fact that you feel safer is very important and as you have also deduced, living under the constant uncertainty of how bad crime can get in that neighborhood has significant effects on your quality of life.

What is the "enclavement of DTSS"?

Leading urbanist Ed Glasser says that the “15 minute city” concept is equal to enclavement and ghettoization that reduces opportunity. This concept is being actively promoted by many in Silver Spring as the organizing principle for planning and development of Silver Spring. These same individuals have publicly balked at efforts to reduce sources of crime in the community.
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/covid19/2021/05/28/the-15-minute-city-is-a-dead-end-cities-must-be-places-of-opportunity-for-everyone/

"Leading urbanist" Ed Glaeser? Ha. Not to mention that he should be embarrassed about that blog post, which consists of arguments against things nobody is arguing for.

Is your contention, anon DCUM rando, that Harvard professor Glaeser is not one of the foremost urban economist in the U.S. and lacks expertise in this area? That’s pretty bold.

Did you read the blog post? Who is saying that people should be forced to stay within their 15-minute areas, whether or not it has what they need, and that there should be no connections between 15-minute areas? That's what he's arguing against.

That is not what is said, so you are misconstruing the point. If DTSS is determined to follow this path, there is evidence that it can lead to more crime.

15-minute city: it should be possible for people to get their daily necessities within a 15-minute walk or bike ride of their homes.
you: this will lead to more crime!

You have not addressed the specific critique of this concept by the leading urban economist in the country that directly leads to such a conclusion. Everyone is free to their own opinions, however I prefer to listen to experts.

Sure I did. His specific critiques are:

1. It's bad if you can't meet your daily necessities within a 15-minute walk or bike ride from your home but also can't get anywhere else to meet them
2. It's bad if the city overall is unconnected

However, nobody is arguing in favor of locking people within unconnected 15-minute areas, so those critiques aren't actually critiques.

[Anonymous]

No, I don’t feel unsafe.