Schools that are neither "woke" nor conservative?

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Anonymous wrote:WIS! Some of the people in the WIS community who are most confused by the concepts of being woke are black foreign nationals from places like France, Ghana, Morocco and Nigeria. Thus, there is highly legitimate, non-racist questioning around woke-ness amongst the parents. Where it comes to the students, the teachers and administrators follow the IB to a T.


There probably is highly legitimate, non-racist questioning about what people like you call “woke-ness”.

So let’s pause for a moment and think seriously about why you had to reach to “black (sic) foreign nationals” to believe that you could find it.

Note: At least some of those people surely realize that without the efforts of the “woke” their children would not legally be able to attend WIS, since prior to the 1970’s schools were racially segregated.




There are 7 billion people on this planet. 300m live in America. That means there are over 6 billion who have no clue what you’re talking about. Some of them move here with a focus on bringing energy or health care to people living in horrific poverty. Truly horrific. They have a desire to see their kids grow up with a world perspective, perspectives that you may be ignorant about. Ignorance is why we have education, and we can want to be educated about different parts of humanity and all be good people.


I got lost counting the weird, vague generalities in your answer. So let's take a look.

1. US media and culture are transmitted by satellite and Internet to every country on the planet. Only a minority are ignorant of US history and society, not 6 billion. Look at movie ticket sales worldwide.

2. Only a tiny minority who come here are involved in aid projects for their home countries. The vast majority in DC and around the US are parents who immigrated for economic opportunity and educational opportunities here. Survey any set of private school parents here.

3. What is "a world perspective" since there are 200 countries and even more languages and cultures in the world, each with its own history and perspective? Anyone who has been to more than a handful of countries knows that.

4. Education about different parts of humanity to be a good person is the foundation of understanding that the world is both a diverse and often unfair place, even moreso in the past than now. That's the ignorance that modern education aims to lift.

So whatever point you were trying to make got VERY lost along the way.


The movie posters are of Tom Cruise. The vast majority of people globally do not know what being woke means to you. The unreciprocated dominance of American culture is highly problematic and merits its own discussion. At a school like WIS where many families have at least one parent who works at an embassy, World Bank or IMF, a great number of families are here to help those who face global inequities and hardships. The world is a vastly unfair place. There are people here whose idea of unfairness only reach the limits of their own country. Outside of it, it gets worse, and there are educations that focus on issues outside the US, and that is good. There are certainly enough educations that are US-centric and raise US-centric Americans who see no problem with American dominance. As for the specific education designed to teach children to learn about this world that has 200 countries, take a look at the WIS curriculum. It is designed to raise globally aware students, and the IB is very unique but thoughtful.
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Anonymous wrote:I consider myself a Democrat. I have no idea what anti-woke means, but here is my problem with politics today. Anyone who does not agree with a democratic policy gets shot down as immoral. For example if you disagree with the party line, it must be because you are evil, selfish, or stupid. If there is some proposed policy intended to help people, but there might be unintended consequences that actually hurt people, nobody wants to hear about it. This is a dangerous trend for society. Almost as dangerous or perhaps equally dangerous as what is going on within the Republican Party. I do not want my kids to be taught politics as though it were religion. I would love to find a moderate environment where critical thinking and questioning is encouraged on all sides.


Sorry, no, it's not "equally dangerous". Democrats are not historically this lockstep (does anyone remember any political history before 2016? Joe Lieberman and Blue Dog democrats anyone? Sheesh). IMO dems have circled the wagons in recent years as a unified defense against Trump/Trumpism/anti-democratic right. And it has been reasonably effective as a defense of our shared, lower-case-d democratic principles. That is the clear and present danger to our country, as evidenced by Jan 6. Not intolerance to nuanced/more moderate views of specific dem party policies.


Anyone who doesn’t believe a party of the people can be dangerous needs to read about socialist uprisings and dictatorships in other countries. My family actually escaped from one. Some of my family members were executed for holding incorrect political and moral opinions. US Democrats are not as bad as the Republicans yet, as the Jan 6 nuts demonstrate, but I can definitely see the potential for disaster if polarization continues to the extreme.


I'm the PP. Any party "can be" dangerous. Where did I say anywhere above that a party is not capable of being dangerous? It's an order of magnitude and anybody that equates what is happening right now with the Democratic Party and what's happening with the Republican Party in this country is...I don't know what. Trying to be contrarian? Because you can't be serious. Please identify an elected Democratic politician, or even a Democratic party nominee in a major state or national race, that is so intolerant of moderate Democrats as to be "dangerous". Now try the same thing with the Republican Party. Do you see the difference?


I am the PP you are responding to, and yes I agree I went too far to suggest the equivalency at this current time. But I am very nervous given the climate and heated debates I’ve seen that have turned ugly when they had no business turning ugly. It’s not a particular politician at the moment that I consider dangerous. It’s the trend towards moralistic thinking and away from reasoned debates. I work in academia, and I’ve definitely seen people ostracized unfairly for disagreeing respectfully with the majority at work.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I consider myself a Democrat. I have no idea what anti-woke means, but here is my problem with politics today. Anyone who does not agree with a democratic policy gets shot down as immoral. For example if you disagree with the party line, it must be because you are evil, selfish, or stupid. If there is some proposed policy intended to help people, but there might be unintended consequences that actually hurt people, nobody wants to hear about it. This is a dangerous trend for society. Almost as dangerous or perhaps equally dangerous as what is going on within the Republican Party. I do not want my kids to be taught politics as though it were religion. I would love to find a moderate environment where critical thinking and questioning is encouraged on all sides.


Sorry, no, it's not "equally dangerous". Democrats are not historically this lockstep (does anyone remember any political history before 2016? Joe Lieberman and Blue Dog democrats anyone? Sheesh). IMO dems have circled the wagons in recent years as a unified defense against Trump/Trumpism/anti-democratic right. And it has been reasonably effective as a defense of our shared, lower-case-d democratic principles. That is the clear and present danger to our country, as evidenced by Jan 6. Not intolerance to nuanced/more moderate views of specific dem party policies.


Anyone who doesn’t believe a party of the people can be dangerous needs to read about socialist uprisings and dictatorships in other countries. My family actually escaped from one. Some of my family members were executed for holding incorrect political and moral opinions. US Democrats are not as bad as the Republicans yet, as the Jan 6 nuts demonstrate, but I can definitely see the potential for disaster if polarization continues to the extreme.


I'm the PP. Any party "can be" dangerous. Where did I say anywhere above that a party is not capable of being dangerous? It's an order of magnitude and anybody that equates what is happening right now with the Democratic Party and what's happening with the Republican Party in this country is...I don't know what. Trying to be contrarian? Because you can't be serious. Please identify an elected Democratic politician, or even a Democratic party nominee in a major state or national race, that is so intolerant of moderate Democrats as to be "dangerous". Now try the same thing with the Republican Party. Do you see the difference?


PP again. I recognize the above debate is not on-topic, so to actually respond to OP's question, assuming it's coming from a good faith desire to find a school whose curriculum doesn't bend to the slightest breeze: another recommendation for an Episcopal or Catholic school.


I am not the OP, but the PP you are debating with about the Democratic Party. Back to this topic, are Catholic schools really moderate? Serious question because I’m not religious, but I would guess they skew conservative given the Church’s stance on things like gay marriage.
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Anonymous wrote:You would have liked my private school back in the early 90's, OP. I remember an assembly when we had a pro-choice woman and a pro-life woman debate each other. Every faculty member whose opinion I knew and most (but not all) of the students were pro-choice. As a pro-life student, I really appreciated that the subject was seen as being worthy of debate. I think that it would be really difficult to find both sides of this issue being presented respectfully at a school today. The school was totally nonreligious, but at Commencement (graduation) every year, we did have a short blessing said by a clergyperson. The school alternated between a Catholic priest, Protestant pastor, and rabbi, to respect the major religions represented at the school. I feel like those were the good ol' days.


I would sign my kid up for this school! I can’t even imagine a school or students tolerating such a debate today. I hope I’m wrong but I doubt it could happen!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I consider myself a Democrat. I have no idea what anti-woke means, but here is my problem with politics today. Anyone who does not agree with a democratic policy gets shot down as immoral. For example if you disagree with the party line, it must be because you are evil, selfish, or stupid. If there is some proposed policy intended to help people, but there might be unintended consequences that actually hurt people, nobody wants to hear about it. This is a dangerous trend for society. Almost as dangerous or perhaps equally dangerous as what is going on within the Republican Party. I do not want my kids to be taught politics as though it were religion. I would love to find a moderate environment where critical thinking and questioning is encouraged on all sides.


Sorry, no, it's not "equally dangerous". Democrats are not historically this lockstep (does anyone remember any political history before 2016? Joe Lieberman and Blue Dog democrats anyone? Sheesh). IMO dems have circled the wagons in recent years as a unified defense against Trump/Trumpism/anti-democratic right. And it has been reasonably effective as a defense of our shared, lower-case-d democratic principles. That is the clear and present danger to our country, as evidenced by Jan 6. Not intolerance to nuanced/more moderate views of specific dem party policies.


Anyone who doesn’t believe a party of the people can be dangerous needs to read about socialist uprisings and dictatorships in other countries. My family actually escaped from one. Some of my family members were executed for holding incorrect political and moral opinions. US Democrats are not as bad as the Republicans yet, as the Jan 6 nuts demonstrate, but I can definitely see the potential for disaster if polarization continues to the extreme.


I'm the PP. Any party "can be" dangerous. Where did I say anywhere above that a party is not capable of being dangerous? It's an order of magnitude and anybody that equates what is happening right now with the Democratic Party and what's happening with the Republican Party in this country is...I don't know what. Trying to be contrarian? Because you can't be serious. Please identify an elected Democratic politician, or even a Democratic party nominee in a major state or national race, that is so intolerant of moderate Democrats as to be "dangerous". Now try the same thing with the Republican Party. Do you see the difference?


I am the PP you are responding to, and yes I agree I went too far to suggest the equivalency at this current time. But I am very nervous given the climate and heated debates I’ve seen that have turned ugly when they had no business turning ugly. It’s not a particular politician at the moment that I consider dangerous. It’s the trend towards moralistic thinking and away from reasoned debates. I work in academia, and I’ve definitely seen people ostracized unfairly for disagreeing respectfully with the majority at work.


Thank you for this--PP here. Agree completely with the above.
Anonymous
PP again. I recognize the above debate is not on-topic, so to actually respond to OP's question, assuming it's coming from a good faith desire to find a school whose curriculum doesn't bend to the slightest breeze: another recommendation for an Episcopal or Catholic school.

I am not the OP, but the PP you are debating with about the Democratic Party. Back to this topic, are Catholic schools really moderate? Serious question because I’m not religious, but I would guess they skew conservative given the Church’s stance on things like gay marriage.

Sorry, I misspoke - I meant to say Episcopal or Lutheran.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Yes they exist:
Potomac School
St Stephens St Agnes
Stone Ridge
Georgetown Prep
St Albans
St Anslems
Visitation

These schools are inclusive but not pushing ideology of any kind in the classroom


Remove Potomac from the list.

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Are there any schools that are known to be more culturally and politically moderate or neutral... neither "woke" nor super religious or conservative?

It seems like a lot of schools even in Kindergarten are openly very progressive (for example, they'll read board books praising Michelle Obama, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, etc., but you'd never see a book about Laura Bush or Sandra Day O'Connor or some other equivalent figure on "the other side"). I'm looking for more of a straight-forward focus on academics without the pushing of any political ideology.

Does this still exist?


You don't want a non-existent moderate school. Just go religious if you have a problem with Michelle Obama or Ruth Bader Ginsberg.


Wow, everything you just wrote shows that you have no idea what you are talking about.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes they exist:
Potomac School
St Stephens St Agnes
Stone Ridge
Georgetown Prep
St Albans
St Anslems
Visitation


These schools are inclusive but not pushing ideology of any kind in the classroom


The bolded are religious schools. Did you read the OP's first post?


DP, but this list is entirely responsive to OP's question. I'm guessing you have zero experience with these schools, but are make some judgements based on misinformation and stereotypes from movies and such.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It’s very hard to find! Typically schools that avoid being woke swing too far in the other direction. I do not know why it is so hard to be moderate?


We are looking for something similar. Was wondering if WIS might fit that bill.
Anonymous
Maybe these:
Norwood
St. Andrews
St. John's (high school)
WIS

Most secular independent schools are off the charts for wokeness these days.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes they exist:
Potomac School
St Stephens St Agnes
Stone Ridge
Georgetown Prep
St Albans
St Anslems
Visitation


These schools are inclusive but not pushing ideology of any kind in the classroom


The bolded are religious schools. Did you read the OP's first post?


DP, but this list is entirely responsive to OP's question. I'm guessing you have zero experience with these schools, but are make some judgements based on misinformation and stereotypes from movies and such.


The OP doesn't want a religious school. Ergo, the list is not responsive.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:PP again. I recognize the above debate is not on-topic, so to actually respond to OP's question, assuming it's coming from a good faith desire to find a school whose curriculum doesn't bend to the slightest breeze: another recommendation for an Episcopal or Catholic school.


I am not the OP, but the PP you are debating with about the Democratic Party. Back to this topic, are Catholic schools really moderate? Serious question because I’m not religious, but I would guess they skew conservative given the Church’s stance on things like gay marriage.

Sorry, I misspoke - I meant to say Episcopal or Lutheran.

You didn't misspeak. Most Catholic schools are moderate in the way OP describes.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes they exist:
Potomac School
St Stephens St Agnes
Stone Ridge
Georgetown Prep
St Albans
St Anslems
Visitation


These schools are inclusive but not pushing ideology of any kind in the classroom


The bolded are religious schools. Did you read the OP's first post?


DP, but this list is entirely responsive to OP's question. I'm guessing you have zero experience with these schools, but are make some judgements based on misinformation and stereotypes from movies and such.


The OP doesn't want a religious school. Ergo, the list is not responsive.


Read better.
Anonymous
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