Rant about Deal and their religious field trip

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kids are in 6th grade at Deal. They are studying religion in their geography class and, as part of the class, the school is organizing a field trip to a mosque, a church, and a synagogue. We are atheist but we understand that learning about religions is part of understanding the world. However, they are asking girls to cover their head/hair when entering the mosque; which I don't like. I mean, I 100% understand that the mosque requires that of women and I respect their requirement. It's their right. As is my right to never enter a mosque (and why I also try to avoid synagogues and churches as much as possible). But now the school is forcing me to tell my kid that I am not signing the consent form for them to go on the field trip. And I have to deal with my kids telling me that they will feel excluded. I guess it is a small price to pay for living in a religious society. I was naive in thinking that a public school wouldn't do this to families...I'm pissed off...End of rant.

Contact ACLU.

That hair requirement is clearly discriminatory.

Clearly you didn’t go to law school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Send your kid uncovered and put deal in the position that you’re dealing with. They can either exclude an uncovered girl (and not uncovered boys) and face a gender discrimination complaint or they can let her go uncovered and deal with the mosque

Do NOT do this. Their next step will be to cancel the field trip altogether rather than cope with PITA parents. Then all of the kids lose out.

Good. It doesn’t belong as part of a public school curriculum.

Of course it does, if you care anything about the kids actually being educated. But people like you are so intolerant and defensive that you can't see the forest for the trees.

[Anonymous]

I'm atheist too and don't see what's wrong. It's a good place to start/continue a lot of conversations with your kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Send your kid uncovered and put deal in the position that you’re dealing with. They can either exclude an uncovered girl (and not uncovered boys) and face a gender discrimination complaint or they can let her go uncovered and deal with the mosque

Do NOT do this. Their next step will be to cancel the field trip altogether rather than cope with PITA parents. Then all of the kids lose out.

Good. It doesn’t belong as part of a public school curriculum.

Yes, it does. It is absolutely vital to this country that our children learn about the different kinds of people who live here and have broad experiences like this. You learn so much more by going to someone's house and meeting them in person than you do from reading an encyclopedia entry about them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll tell you this much, OP: all this does is teach your kid to hate. Not good.

OP here. Honest question. Why does it teach my kids to hate?

Your unwillingness even to tolerate a dress code so that your kid can learn about a mosque strictly as an academic subject sends a message of intolerance, inflexibility, and hate.

Her kid can learn about the academic subject in class. I hope you stretched before that massive reach you just made.

Not a massive reach. She’s basically saying she refuses to let her kid enter a mosque. It’s hate, pure and simple.

OP here. Nah, I don't hate muslims, catholics, jews, buddhists, mormons, scientologists, or any other person following any religion. And I wouldn't dare visiting a temple of any denomination and not follow their rules. That's why I have no interest in visiting any religious site. What I don't like is a public school "forcing" religious rules on my kids. And if you don't think the school is forcing them, I'd argue that the school is in a position of power. You might argue they might opt out but kids that age usually want to do whatever the other kids their age do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll tell you this much, OP: all this does is teach your kid to hate. Not good.

OP here. Honest question. Why does it teach my kids to hate?

Your unwillingness even to tolerate a dress code so that your kid can learn about a mosque strictly as an academic subject sends a message of intolerance, inflexibility, and hate.

Her kid can learn about the academic subject in class. I hope you stretched before that massive reach you just made.

Not a massive reach. She’s basically saying she refuses to let her kid enter a mosque. It’s hate, pure and simple.

NP, no she is saying she will not tolerate her daughter being treated differently, dirty and less than the boys that don’t have to cover up.
I’m with you OP I would be fine with the trip itself, but making the girls and not the boys cover up? Oh hell no. Straight up government sanctioned sexual discrimination.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kids are in 6th grade at Deal. They are studying religion in their geography class and, as part of the class, the school is organizing a field trip to a mosque, a church, and a synagogue. We are atheist but we understand that learning about religions is part of understanding the world. However, they are asking girls to cover their head/hair when entering the mosque; which I don't like. I mean, I 100% understand that the mosque requires that of women and I respect their requirement. It's their right. As is my right to never enter a mosque (and why I also try to avoid synagogues and churches as much as possible). But now the school is forcing me to tell my kid that I am not signing the consent form for them to go on the field trip. And I have to deal with my kids telling me that they will feel excluded. I guess it is a small price to pay for living in a religious society. I was naive in thinking that a public school wouldn't do this to families...I'm pissed off...End of rant.

Contact ACLU.

That hair requirement is clearly discriminatory.

Sigh. Between you and OP I am increasingly convinced that more Americans need to learn some basic information about this country.

[Anonymous]

Showing respect to a religion is not the equivalent of subjugation to the religion or an endorsement of it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll tell you this much, OP: all this does is teach your kid to hate. Not good.

OP here. Honest question. Why does it teach my kids to hate?

Your unwillingness even to tolerate a dress code so that your kid can learn about a mosque strictly as an academic subject sends a message of intolerance, inflexibility, and hate.

Her kid can learn about the academic subject in class. I hope you stretched before that massive reach you just made.

Not a massive reach. She’s basically saying she refuses to let her kid enter a mosque. It’s hate, pure and simple.

OP here. Nah, I don't hate muslims, catholics, jews, buddhists, mormons, scientologists, or any other person following any religion. And I wouldn't dare visiting a temple of any denomination and not follow their rules. That's why I have no interest in visiting any religious site. What I don't like is a public school "forcing" religious rules on my kids. And if you don't think the school is forcing them, I'd argue that the school is in a position of power. You might argue they might opt out but kids that age usually want to do whatever the other kids their age do.

The school isn’t “forcing” religious rules on your kids at all. You have been given the opportunity to opt out, which by definition means there is no forcing taking place at all. You’re just being all huffy puffy indignant and angry and hateful about something very inconsequential, that’s all. And what your teaching your kid is my way or the highway. And when they grow up they’re going to know how ridiculous you were.

[Anonymous]

OP is wrong about girls having to cover their hair. I have a 6th grader at Deal and have a 9th grader that did this same trip when they were in 6th at Deal. All the kids are asked to cover their legs and arms, which shouldn't be a stretch in December! No one is being asked to cover their hair. Maybe find something else to rant about and be grateful your kid is getting such a cool opportunity?

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll tell you this much, OP: all this does is teach your kid to hate. Not good.

OP here. Honest question. Why does it teach my kids to hate?

Your unwillingness even to tolerate a dress code so that your kid can learn about a mosque strictly as an academic subject sends a message of intolerance, inflexibility, and hate.

Her kid can learn about the academic subject in class. I hope you stretched before that massive reach you just made.

Not a massive reach. She’s basically saying she refuses to let her kid enter a mosque. It’s hate, pure and simple.

NP, no she is saying she will not tolerate her daughter being treated differently, dirty and less than the boys that don’t have to cover up.
I’m with you OP I would be fine with the trip itself, but making the girls and not the boys cover up? Oh hell no. Straight up government sanctioned sexual discrimination.

My God, woman, you are embarrassing yourself. You know nothing about the law.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll tell you this much, OP: all this does is teach your kid to hate. Not good.

OP here. Honest question. Why does it teach my kids to hate?

Your unwillingness even to tolerate a dress code so that your kid can learn about a mosque strictly as an academic subject sends a message of intolerance, inflexibility, and hate.

Her kid can learn about the academic subject in class. I hope you stretched before that massive reach you just made.

Not a massive reach. She’s basically saying she refuses to let her kid enter a mosque. It’s hate, pure and simple.

OP here. Nah, I don't hate muslims, catholics, jews, buddhists, mormons, scientologists, or any other person following any religion. And I wouldn't dare visiting a temple of any denomination and not follow their rules. That's why I have no interest in visiting any religious site. What I don't like is a public school "forcing" religious rules on my kids. And if you don't think the school is forcing them, I'd argue that the school is in a position of power. You might argue they might opt out but kids that age usually want to do whatever the other kids their age do.

Didn’t your kid choose to take this class? I doubt this is a required class in public school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ll tell you this much, OP: all this does is teach your kid to hate. Not good.

OP here. Honest question. Why does it teach my kids to hate?

Your unwillingness even to tolerate a dress code so that your kid can learn about a mosque strictly as an academic subject sends a message of intolerance, inflexibility, and hate.

Her kid can learn about the academic subject in class. I hope you stretched before that massive reach you just made.

Not a massive reach. She’s basically saying she refuses to let her kid enter a mosque. It’s hate, pure and simple.

OP here. Nah, I don't hate muslims, catholics, jews, buddhists, mormons, scientologists, or any other person following any religion. And I wouldn't dare visiting a temple of any denomination and not follow their rules. That's why I have no interest in visiting any religious site. What I don't like is a public school "forcing" religious rules on my kids. And if you don't think the school is forcing them, I'd argue that the school is in a position of power. You might argue they might opt out but kids that age usually want to do whatever the other kids their age do.

Didn’t your kid choose to take this class? I doubt this is a required class in public school

It is required.

[Anonymous]

Have her wear a hooded jacket or sweatshirt (it is winter, after all), and she can simply pull the hood over her hair in the mosque. That way it feels less like covering her hair for religious reasons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll tell you this much, OP: all this does is teach your kid to hate. Not good.

OP here. Honest question. Why does it teach my kids to hate?

Your unwillingness even to tolerate a dress code so that your kid can learn about a mosque strictly as an academic subject sends a message of intolerance, inflexibility, and hate.

Her kid can learn about the academic subject in class. I hope you stretched before that massive reach you just made.

Not a massive reach. She’s basically saying she refuses to let her kid enter a mosque. It’s hate, pure and simple.

OP here. Nah, I don't hate muslims, catholics, jews, buddhists, mormons, scientologists, or any other person following any religion. And I wouldn't dare visiting a temple of any denomination and not follow their rules. That's why I have no interest in visiting any religious site. What I don't like is a public school "forcing" religious rules on my kids. And if you don't think the school is forcing them, I'd argue that the school is in a position of power. You might argue they might opt out but kids that age usually want to do whatever the other kids their age do.

Didn’t your kid choose to take this class? I doubt this is a required class in public school

It is required.

It must be nice to have so much time on your hands and so little going on that something as petty and insignificant as a field trip for a 12 year old to a mosque puts OP into a rage.