Ivies aren't the best

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find the study mildly interesting, but quite amusing as both Stacy Dale and Alan Krueger hold degrees from Ivy League schools including Princeton, Harvard, and Cornell.

I'm sure they sent their own children to third tier directional schools in order to open spots for kids who could better benefit

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My siblings and I were the first in our family to go to college and going to Yale changed my future also. While I didn't succeed right out of college (got a job but it wasn't a great one), I was able to get a recommendation from a Yale professor to get into law school 5 years after I had graduated. Not every prof would have done that. And then having Yale on my resume for applying for law firm jobs opened doors as well.

I think the lesson here from this and other stories is that not every ivy is the best, but Yale is generally a really good and supportive ivy.

You do realize that:

1. Law schools don't care about where you go to undergrad, and

2. Law firms only care about law school and not college, right?

[Anonymous]

Of course law schools care! And the firms I've been at care about law school first but look at undergrad as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the wisest comment from that thread:

I am the PP who grew up in suburbia and did fine at an Ivy but did not excel, there or in life.

My parents were the first in their families to go to college and they pushed me to do well (I went to public high school) and none of us really thought about what it would take to succeed after I got into a good college. They had no clue. I had no clue. I went to an Ivy that is notorious for not being supportive (esp. in the 80s/90s) and I basically just floated through, getting mored depressed as graduation was coming.

As for the PP who said all you need is hard work and hustle, I push back on this. I waitressed and nannied, and had other jobs through college. I got good grades, I did ECs. I wasn't a slacker with a trust fund just coasting on the Ivy name.

I just didn't understand newtowkring, or parlaying the hand I had into something bigger.

Grad school and law school seemed out of reach for me. I didn't have a passion or a plan and my parents did not have the $ for grad school, so taking on that much debt for something I wasn't sure about seemed irresponsible.

As a mother I tell my kids it is way more important to attend a school where you grow into the best you, have mentors, access to professors, and feel like a part of the school community than it is to have a brand name.

Well, all the Ivies (save Columbia, which is a fake Ivy anyways) have a much stronger sense of community than most flagship state schools.

Your kid got rejected by Columbia - again.

Columbia is objectively an awful undergrad experience.

Columbia was objectively less expensive than a state university for my kid. If I substract room and board, it was very little. That's an objective fact.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the wisest comment from that thread:

I am the PP who grew up in suburbia and did fine at an Ivy but did not excel, there or in life.

My parents were the first in their families to go to college and they pushed me to do well (I went to public high school) and none of us really thought about what it would take to succeed after I got into a good college. They had no clue. I had no clue. I went to an Ivy that is notorious for not being supportive (esp. in the 80s/90s) and I basically just floated through, getting mored depressed as graduation was coming.

As for the PP who said all you need is hard work and hustle, I push back on this. I waitressed and nannied, and had other jobs through college. I got good grades, I did ECs. I wasn't a slacker with a trust fund just coasting on the Ivy name.

I just didn't understand newtowkring, or parlaying the hand I had into something bigger.

Grad school and law school seemed out of reach for me. I didn't have a passion or a plan and my parents did not have the $ for grad school, so taking on that much debt for something I wasn't sure about seemed irresponsible.

As a mother I tell my kids it is way more important to attend a school where you grow into the best you, have mentors, access to professors, and feel like a part of the school community than it is to have a brand name.

Well, all the Ivies (save Columbia, which is a fake Ivy anyways) have a much stronger sense of community than most flagship state schools.

Your kid got rejected by Columbia - again.

Columbia is objectively an awful undergrad experience.

Columbia was objectively less expensive than a state university for my kid. If I substract room and board, it was very little. That's an objective fact.

Seriously! Are you low income or just scamming the financial aid forms?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the wisest comment from that thread:

I am the PP who grew up in suburbia and did fine at an Ivy but did not excel, there or in life.

My parents were the first in their families to go to college and they pushed me to do well (I went to public high school) and none of us really thought about what it would take to succeed after I got into a good college. They had no clue. I had no clue. I went to an Ivy that is notorious for not being supportive (esp. in the 80s/90s) and I basically just floated through, getting mored depressed as graduation was coming.

As for the PP who said all you need is hard work and hustle, I push back on this. I waitressed and nannied, and had other jobs through college. I got good grades, I did ECs. I wasn't a slacker with a trust fund just coasting on the Ivy name.

I just didn't understand newtowkring, or parlaying the hand I had into something bigger.

Grad school and law school seemed out of reach for me. I didn't have a passion or a plan and my parents did not have the $ for grad school, so taking on that much debt for something I wasn't sure about seemed irresponsible.

As a mother I tell my kids it is way more important to attend a school where you grow into the best you, have mentors, access to professors, and feel like a part of the school community than it is to have a brand name.

Well, all the Ivies (save Columbia, which is a fake Ivy anyways) have a much stronger sense of community than most flagship state schools.

Your kid got rejected by Columbia - again.

Columbia is objectively an awful undergrad experience.

Columbia was objectively less expensive than a state university for my kid. If I substract room and board, it was very little. That's an objective fact.

Seriously! Are you low income or just scamming the financial aid forms?

Probably low income. Although I do know a couple business owners who brag about the "full rides" their kids have received at Ivies thanks to their clever accountant. Must be nice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the wisest comment from that thread:

I am the PP who grew up in suburbia and did fine at an Ivy but did not excel, there or in life.

My parents were the first in their families to go to college and they pushed me to do well (I went to public high school) and none of us really thought about what it would take to succeed after I got into a good college. They had no clue. I had no clue. I went to an Ivy that is notorious for not being supportive (esp. in the 80s/90s) and I basically just floated through, getting mored depressed as graduation was coming.

As for the PP who said all you need is hard work and hustle, I push back on this. I waitressed and nannied, and had other jobs through college. I got good grades, I did ECs. I wasn't a slacker with a trust fund just coasting on the Ivy name.

I just didn't understand newtowkring, or parlaying the hand I had into something bigger.

Grad school and law school seemed out of reach for me. I didn't have a passion or a plan and my parents did not have the $ for grad school, so taking on that much debt for something I wasn't sure about seemed irresponsible.

As a mother I tell my kids it is way more important to attend a school where you grow into the best you, have mentors, access to professors, and feel like a part of the school community than it is to have a brand name.

Well, all the Ivies (save Columbia, which is a fake Ivy anyways) have a much stronger sense of community than most flagship state schools.

Your kid got rejected by Columbia - again.

Columbia is objectively an awful undergrad experience.

Columbia was less expensive than a state university for my kid. If I substract room and board, it was very little. That's an objective fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the wisest comment from that thread:

I am the PP who grew up in suburbia and did fine at an Ivy but did not excel, there or in life.

My parents were the first in their families to go to college and they pushed me to do well (I went to public high school) and none of us really thought about what it would take to succeed after I got into a good college. They had no clue. I had no clue. I went to an Ivy that is notorious for not being supportive (esp. in the 80s/90s) and I basically just floated through, getting mored depressed as graduation was coming.

As for the PP who said all you need is hard work and hustle, I push back on this. I waitressed and nannied, and had other jobs through college. I got good grades, I did ECs. I wasn't a slacker with a trust fund just coasting on the Ivy name.

I just didn't understand newtowkring, or parlaying the hand I had into something bigger.

Grad school and law school seemed out of reach for me. I didn't have a passion or a plan and my parents did not have the $ for grad school, so taking on that much debt for something I wasn't sure about seemed irresponsible.

As a mother I tell my kids it is way more important to attend a school where you grow into the best you, have mentors, access to professors, and feel like a part of the school community than it is to have a brand name.

Well, all the Ivies (save Columbia, which is a fake Ivy anyways) have a much stronger sense of community than most flagship state schools.

Your kid got rejected by Columbia - again.

Columbia is objectively an awful undergrad experience.

Columbia was objectively less expensive than a state university for my kid. If I substract room and board, it was very little. That's an objective fact.

Seriously! Are you low income or just scamming the financial aid forms?

Middle income

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the wisest comment from that thread:

I am the PP who grew up in suburbia and did fine at an Ivy but did not excel, there or in life.

My parents were the first in their families to go to college and they pushed me to do well (I went to public high school) and none of us really thought about what it would take to succeed after I got into a good college. They had no clue. I had no clue. I went to an Ivy that is notorious for not being supportive (esp. in the 80s/90s) and I basically just floated through, getting mored depressed as graduation was coming.

As for the PP who said all you need is hard work and hustle, I push back on this. I waitressed and nannied, and had other jobs through college. I got good grades, I did ECs. I wasn't a slacker with a trust fund just coasting on the Ivy name.

I just didn't understand newtowkring, or parlaying the hand I had into something bigger.

Grad school and law school seemed out of reach for me. I didn't have a passion or a plan and my parents did not have the $ for grad school, so taking on that much debt for something I wasn't sure about seemed irresponsible.

As a mother I tell my kids it is way more important to attend a school where you grow into the best you, have mentors, access to professors, and feel like a part of the school community than it is to have a brand name.

Well, all the Ivies (save Columbia, which is a fake Ivy anyways) have a much stronger sense of community than most flagship state schools.

Your kid got rejected by Columbia - again.

Columbia is objectively an awful undergrad experience.

Columbia was objectively less expensive than a state university for my kid. If I substract room and board, it was very little. That's an objective fact.

Seriously! Are you low income or just scamming the financial aid forms?

Probably low income. Although I do know a couple business owners who brag about the "full rides" their kids have received at Ivies thanks to their clever accountant. Must be nice.

$150,000 HHI pays no tuition at Columbia. No loans at Columbia.

Affordability & Aid | Columbia Undergraduate Admissions
https://undergrad.admissions.columbia.edu/affordability#:~:text=Free%20tuition.&text=If%20your%20family%27s%20annual%20income,million%20in%20scholarships%20and%20grants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Attending and graduating from an Ivy League school generates opportunities. Whether or not one takes advantage of those opportunities is an individual matter, not a criticism of Ivy League schools.

Attending any college generates opportunities. Every college has alumni networks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My siblings and I were the first in our family to go to college and going to Yale changed my future also. While I didn't succeed right out of college (got a job but it wasn't a great one), I was able to get a recommendation from a Yale professor to get into law school 5 years after I had graduated. Not every prof would have done that. And then having Yale on my resume for applying for law firm jobs opened doors as well.

I think the lesson here from this and other stories is that not every ivy is the best, but Yale is generally a really good and supportive ivy.

Do you realize that you are suggesting that professors at every other college in the country wouldn't write their students a recommendation for law school? Only at Yale would you find a professor willing to write a law school rec. You are so ridiculous. Many of us are still in touch with our college professors decades later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Attending and graduating from an Ivy League school generates opportunities. Whether or not one takes advantage of those opportunities is an individual matter, not a criticism of Ivy League schools.

Attending any college generates opportunities. Every college has alumni networks.

So all colleges are the same with respect to job & career opportunities ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find the study mildly interesting, but quite amusing as both Stacy Dale and Alan Krueger hold degrees from Ivy League schools including Princeton, Harvard, and Cornell.

+1 that grads from very elite institutions with very elite jobs at very elite institutions are pretending it doesn't matter. ROFL for anyone to take that BS seriously.

[Anonymous]

Some people get all sort of opportunities, get into and attend Princeton on quota for free then get into Harvard law for quota and ivy degree, get hired by a top law firm on quota and because of ivy degrees but still can't manage to have a good career in law.

If 8 years at ivies can't make them competitive, its a loss.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Attending and graduating from an Ivy League school generates opportunities. Whether or not one takes advantage of those opportunities is an individual matter, not a criticism of Ivy League schools.

Attending any college generates opportunities. Every college has alumni networks.

So all colleges are the same with respect to job & career opportunities ?

For a given person? Look around you.