The science on remote schooling is now clear. Here’s who it hurt most.

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Anonymous wrote:“His team is working to see what other factors might account for the rest of the differences, such as local coronavirus rates or economic conditions. He speculated that parents’ financial woes, illness and social isolation all played a part.

“To reduce the educational impacts of the pandemic to whether or not learning happened remote or in person is to miss all the other ways the pandemic has disrupted kids and parents and teachers’ lives,” he said. “There is a relationship but it’s not the only thing.””

Oh, would you look at that! OP lacks reading comprehension.

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Anonymous wrote:Welp, here it is...Washington Post for that matter. Too bad it took them so long to figure this out. I was screaming for schools to open in summer of 2020 and lost many friends because of it. Luckily my kid had in person and did just fine. Many others did not fare as well, and it seems older students will struggle more to catch up.

I am gifting the article. You're welcome.

https://wapo.st/3gz0Hld

You “lost many friends” because you were “screaming”. Some of us “lost many friends” and family because of COVID. Nice that you and your kid are among the lucky ones.

Thanks for the article though.

Nailed it.

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Anonymous wrote:Yea. We get it. In retrospect the school closings were a bad thing. Some mistakes are bound to happen in a once in a century pandemic. Time to move on.

But…but they can’t move on. How then would they get that sweet, sweet attention they so desperately long for?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here...lol. I am perfectly fine shedding the "friends" I had who wanted to stand with the liberal media and unions. Their kids didn't do well...I know one who suffered severe mental illness due to lack of socialization. Sad sad situation. The schools should have opened in the fall. Mine kid's school did, no teachers died, and my kid is on track to take AP Calc in her junior year of HS. Damn I hate being right all the time.

Oops, your dumb is showing.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone intellectually knew this would be the result of extended school closures. But as evident in this thread, a lot of people didn’t care, and still don’t.

I know that teachers tried. But here's where teachers' unions, and by extension, teachers, take a hit. They assured parents that as "experts" they knew what was best for children and would be quickly able to get children back up to speed once schools reopened. That has not turned out to be true. Instead, the problems caused by the pandemic, and exacerbated by virtual school, have made teaching even more difficult and students and parents chronically stressed and unsupported. Decision makers underestimated the harms of isolation and personal interaction between teachers and students and students with their fellow classmates. We are not talking about "learning losses" or setbacks, we now dealing with scores of anxious and depressed kids who can't learn. They don't trust anyone or believe that anyone cares about them.

Oh, and by the way, what was the plan for graduating seniors to make up all of the material they missed? There wasn't one, and no one cares. It's better to blame kids and their parents for everything and allow these kids to get lost.

There’s a long line of academic research showing that it is very hard for students to catch up when they call behind. Anyone that said teachers would be able to bring students back up to speed after schools reopened wasn’t arguing in good faith.

What is the reasoning behind trying to catch up? Why not just move at a realistic pace given the circumstances?

Because we want our kids to go to college? Your last chance to take the SAT is fall of senior year, and your high school grades count. My kid can’t undo his learning loss in time. A kid who was in K or 3rd during virtual learning can catch up, and the article talked about that. It is the high schoolers who had learning loss that are SOL

There was just an article in the NYT about how college freshmen and sophomores are struggling. They missed at least three months during high school (due to the March 2020 closures) and didn't get anything extra. It is any wonder that many find themselves unprepared for college. This will cost students a lifetime of lost earnings, yet no one cares.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/01/us/covid-college-students.html


And there have been many other articles about how things are not all right with new college students. The problems extend beyond academics, and there are no easy answers.

But what can be done to help them?

NP. As if the pro-closure people care at all about struggling kids. Come on. They’ve already shown they don’t. This includes university administration. Nothing will be done, and the permanent, lifelong harm that was immediately obvious to anyone with two brain cells will occur.

Yawwwwwn. Grow up.move on.

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Anonymous wrote:Yea. We get it. In retrospect the school closings were a bad thing. Some mistakes are bound to happen in a once in a century pandemic. Time to move on.

Nope. These people should pay. There are 10-11 year olds who cannot read.

No one is going to “pay,” sweetheart — except maybe your ever-escalating blood pressure.

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It was clear the unions put the leverage that covid closures gave them over the well-being and education of students.

If you haven’t realized yet that teacher unions are for teachers and not for parents and students, this should be super clear now. Apple Ballots and candidates who teacher unions throw money at aren’t necessarily pro working family or good for education.

Think your yourself as a voter and put your child’s education first. The unions had a lot of power in this area while schools were closed and used it to push for their own interests well beyond covid safety.

It will take years for students to recover from the learning loss. There were ways to safely mitigate covid risks and reopen long before the schools were opened. The evidence is clear how destructive the lockdowns were.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone intellectually knew this would be the result of extended school closures. But as evident in this thread, a lot of people didn’t care, and still don’t.

I know that teachers tried. But here's where teachers' unions, and by extension, teachers, take a hit. They assured parents that as "experts" they knew what was best for children and would be quickly able to get children back up to speed once schools reopened. That has not turned out to be true. Instead, the problems caused by the pandemic, and exacerbated by virtual school, have made teaching even more difficult and students and parents chronically stressed and unsupported. Decision makers underestimated the harms of isolation and personal interaction between teachers and students and students with their fellow classmates. We are not talking about "learning losses" or setbacks, we now dealing with scores of anxious and depressed kids who can't learn. They don't trust anyone or believe that anyone cares about them.

Oh, and by the way, what was the plan for graduating seniors to make up all of the material they missed? There wasn't one, and no one cares. It's better to blame kids and their parents for everything and allow these kids to get lost.

My senior didn't miss much. He attended classes online every day.

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Anonymous wrote:I already knew who it hurt the most. Parents.

Yeah, it didn’t hurt me. I liked being home. You know who it hurt? My teenager with a learning disability. He took algebra and geometry virtually, and his PSAT scores stink - the kind of scores all of you hyper competitive DCUM parents can’t even imagine your kids getting. This phase was always going to be hard, but virtual learning set him way back.

I am also a public health professional who has spent the last (almost) three years on Covid. Opening schools in spring 2021 was clearly the right thing. Before that it wasn’t at all clear, and school closures were rational.

Good news. Most schools are still test optional. And nobody cares are PSAT scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone intellectually knew this would be the result of extended school closures. But as evident in this thread, a lot of people didn’t care, and still don’t.

I know that teachers tried. But here's where teachers' unions, and by extension, teachers, take a hit. They assured parents that as "experts" they knew what was best for children and would be quickly able to get children back up to speed once schools reopened. That has not turned out to be true. Instead, the problems caused by the pandemic, and exacerbated by virtual school, have made teaching even more difficult and students and parents chronically stressed and unsupported. Decision makers underestimated the harms of isolation and personal interaction between teachers and students and students with their fellow classmates. We are not talking about "learning losses" or setbacks, we now dealing with scores of anxious and depressed kids who can't learn. They don't trust anyone or believe that anyone cares about them.

Oh, and by the way, what was the plan for graduating seniors to make up all of the material they missed? There wasn't one, and no one cares. It's better to blame kids and their parents for everything and allow these kids to get lost.

There’s a long line of academic research showing that it is very hard for students to catch up when they call behind. Anyone that said teachers would be able to bring students back up to speed after schools reopened wasn’t arguing in good faith.

What is the reasoning behind trying to catch up? Why not just move at a realistic pace given the circumstances?

Because we want our kids to go to college? Your last chance to take the SAT is fall of senior year, and your high school grades count. My kid can’t undo his learning loss in time. A kid who was in K or 3rd during virtual learning can catch up, and the article talked about that. It is the high schoolers who had learning loss that are SOL

There was just an article in the NYT about how college freshmen and sophomores are struggling. They missed at least three months during high school (due to the March 2020 closures) and didn't get anything extra. It is any wonder that many find themselves unprepared for college. This will cost students a lifetime of lost earnings, yet no one cares.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/01/us/covid-college-students.html


And there have been many other articles about how things are not all right with new college students. The problems extend beyond academics, and there are no easy answers.

The college kids are harmed by their public school district's policies of retakes and no penalties for late assignments. This existed prior to Covid. Now it's just worse.

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It doesn't matter if underprivileged kids were harmed because elitist privileged kids were "thriving" as per billion posts here. Search "thriving." Makes me gag

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone intellectually knew this would be the result of extended school closures. But as evident in this thread, a lot of people didn’t care, and still don’t.

I know that teachers tried. But here's where teachers' unions, and by extension, teachers, take a hit. They assured parents that as "experts" they knew what was best for children and would be quickly able to get children back up to speed once schools reopened. That has not turned out to be true. Instead, the problems caused by the pandemic, and exacerbated by virtual school, have made teaching even more difficult and students and parents chronically stressed and unsupported. Decision makers underestimated the harms of isolation and personal interaction between teachers and students and students with their fellow classmates. We are not talking about "learning losses" or setbacks, we now dealing with scores of anxious and depressed kids who can't learn. They don't trust anyone or believe that anyone cares about them.

Oh, and by the way, what was the plan for graduating seniors to make up all of the material they missed? There wasn't one, and no one cares. It's better to blame kids and their parents for everything and allow these kids to get lost.

There’s a long line of academic research showing that it is very hard for students to catch up when they call behind. Anyone that said teachers would be able to bring students back up to speed after schools reopened wasn’t arguing in good faith.

What is the reasoning behind trying to catch up? Why not just move at a realistic pace given the circumstances?

Because we want our kids to go to college? Your last chance to take the SAT is fall of senior year, and your high school grades count. My kid can’t undo his learning loss in time. A kid who was in K or 3rd during virtual learning can catch up, and the article talked about that. It is the high schoolers who had learning loss that are SOL

There was just an article in the NYT about how college freshmen and sophomores are struggling. They missed at least three months during high school (due to the March 2020 closures) and didn't get anything extra. It is any wonder that many find themselves unprepared for college. This will cost students a lifetime of lost earnings, yet no one cares.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/01/us/covid-college-students.html


And there have been many other articles about how things are not all right with new college students. The problems extend beyond academics, and there are no easy answers.

But what can be done to help them?

NP. As if the pro-closure people care at all about struggling kids. Come on. They’ve already shown they don’t. This includes university administration. Nothing will be done, and the permanent, lifelong harm that was immediately obvious to anyone with two brain cells will occur.

Funny how you never cared about struggling kids before and are just using them as a talking point. Schools have been open a year and a half, some never went virtual and kids are struggling. Maybe it wasn't covid that was the issue or even going virtual.

These studies are flawed. They need to look at kids currently in virtual to comparable kids in person as a true comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter if underprivileged kids were harmed because elitist privileged kids were "thriving" as per billion posts here. Search "thriving." Makes me gag

And yet its the privileged kids whose parents are still complaining.

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Anonymous wrote:I already knew who it hurt the most. Parents.

Yeah, it didn’t hurt me. I liked being home. You know who it hurt? My teenager with a learning disability. He took algebra and geometry virtually, and his PSAT scores stink - the kind of scores all of you hyper competitive DCUM parents can’t even imagine your kids getting. This phase was always going to be hard, but virtual learning set him way back.

I am also a public health professional who has spent the last (almost) three years on Covid. Opening schools in spring 2021 was clearly the right thing. Before that it wasn’t at all clear, and school closures were rational.

Same.

Your child would have struggled in those classes regardless because they have a learning disability. Since you were home, what did you do to help? Many school systems offered free tutoring and are still offering it. Did you use them?

Do you care about the kids people like you are hurting now? The ones who are still in virtual due to health issues or those living with families with health issues?

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Anonymous wrote:“His team is working to see what other factors might account for the rest of the differences, such as local coronavirus rates or economic conditions. He speculated that parents’ financial woes, illness and social isolation all played a part.

“To reduce the educational impacts of the pandemic to whether or not learning happened remote or in person is to miss all the other ways the pandemic has disrupted kids and parents and teachers’ lives,” he said. “There is a relationship but it’s not the only thing.””

Oh, would you look at that! OP lacks reading comprehension.

And, what they didn't look at was how many of these kids were struggling before covid, in person.