The science on remote schooling is now clear. Here’s who it hurt most.

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Breaking news...bad things disproportionately affect poor people

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Anonymous wrote:Breaking news...bad things disproportionately affect poor people

And people with learning disabilities. And teenagers.

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Anonymous wrote:I already knew who it hurt the most. Parents.

This, parents like OP who cannot handle their kids all day every day.

My kids have been in virtual for three years. Doing great, as shown by their test scores.

NP.. I think you really missed the point of the article. The kids who were impacted the most were the kids who already had a huge achievement gap -- low income kids.

My kids did fine, too. Straight As. They were in 7th and 10 grade, tech savvy, so we didn't need to help them at all. It was actually easier on us because we didn't have to deal with early morning rising and packed lunch.

But, a lot of kids did badly, and not just academically. When our kids went to their annual checkup at the peds office, the dr asked how they were doing and how they did during VL. They said they did fine, which they did. The dr said that was great because he has come across so many children who were negatively impacted by VL for the entire year, and they are still trying to recover.

Having stated that, I think places like FL and TX had it easier because their weather is warmer/milder than the DC area, and they can spend more time outdoors which reduces the risk of catching the virus. So, it made sense, IMO for them to return to school. I grew up in CA, and we had outdoor lunch, no internal hallways to deal with. I would imagine it's the same for schools in TX and FL.

Having grown up in FL school lunch was inside because it is oppressively muggy and hot most of the year.

even so, I don't think they found that covid doesn't spread as easily in warmer climates compared to colder climates.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone intellectually knew this would be the result of extended school closures. But as evident in this thread, a lot of people didn’t care, and still don’t.

I know that teachers tried. But here's where teachers' unions, and by extension, teachers, take a hit. They assured parents that as "experts" they knew what was best for children and would be quickly able to get children back up to speed once schools reopened. That has not turned out to be true. Instead, the problems caused by the pandemic, and exacerbated by virtual school, have made teaching even more difficult and students and parents chronically stressed and unsupported. Decision makers underestimated the harms of isolation and personal interaction between teachers and students and students with their fellow classmates. We are not talking about "learning losses" or setbacks, we now dealing with scores of anxious and depressed kids who can't learn. They don't trust anyone or believe that anyone cares about them.

Oh, and by the way, what was the plan for graduating seniors to make up all of the material they missed? There wasn't one, and no one cares. It's better to blame kids and their parents for everything and allow these kids to get lost.

There’s a long line of academic research showing that it is very hard for students to catch up when they call behind. Anyone that said teachers would be able to bring students back up to speed after schools reopened wasn’t arguing in good faith.

What is the reasoning behind trying to catch up? Why not just move at a realistic pace given the circumstances?

Because we want our kids to go to college? Your last chance to take the SAT is fall of senior year, and your high school grades count. My kid can’t undo his learning loss in time. A kid who was in K or 3rd during virtual learning can catch up, and the article talked about that. It is the high schoolers who had learning loss that are SOL

There was just an article in the NYT about how college freshmen and sophomores are struggling. They missed at least three months during high school (due to the March 2020 closures) and didn't get anything extra. It is any wonder that many find themselves unprepared for college. This will cost students a lifetime of lost earnings, yet no one cares.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/01/us/covid-college-students.html


And there have been many other articles about how things are not all right with new college students. The problems extend beyond academics, and there are no easy answers.

But what can be done to help them?

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone intellectually knew this would be the result of extended school closures. But as evident in this thread, a lot of people didn’t care, and still don’t.

I know that teachers tried. But here's where teachers' unions, and by extension, teachers, take a hit. They assured parents that as "experts" they knew what was best for children and would be quickly able to get children back up to speed once schools reopened. That has not turned out to be true. Instead, the problems caused by the pandemic, and exacerbated by virtual school, have made teaching even more difficult and students and parents chronically stressed and unsupported. Decision makers underestimated the harms of isolation and personal interaction between teachers and students and students with their fellow classmates. We are not talking about "learning losses" or setbacks, we now dealing with scores of anxious and depressed kids who can't learn. They don't trust anyone or believe that anyone cares about them.

Oh, and by the way, what was the plan for graduating seniors to make up all of the material they missed? There wasn't one, and no one cares. It's better to blame kids and their parents for everything and allow these kids to get lost.

There’s a long line of academic research showing that it is very hard for students to catch up when they call behind. Anyone that said teachers would be able to bring students back up to speed after schools reopened wasn’t arguing in good faith.

What is the reasoning behind trying to catch up? Why not just move at a realistic pace given the circumstances?

Because we want our kids to go to college? Your last chance to take the SAT is fall of senior year, and your high school grades count. My kid can’t undo his learning loss in time. A kid who was in K or 3rd during virtual learning can catch up, and the article talked about that. It is the high schoolers who had learning loss that are SOL

There was just an article in the NYT about how college freshmen and sophomores are struggling. They missed at least three months during high school (due to the March 2020 closures) and didn't get anything extra. It is any wonder that many find themselves unprepared for college. This will cost students a lifetime of lost earnings, yet no one cares.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/01/us/covid-college-students.html


And there have been many other articles about how things are not all right with new college students. The problems extend beyond academics, and there are no easy answers.

But what can be done to help them?

NP. As if the pro-closure people care at all about struggling kids. Come on. They’ve already shown they don’t. This includes university administration. Nothing will be done, and the permanent, lifelong harm that was immediately obvious to anyone with two brain cells will occur.

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Anonymous wrote:Yea. We get it. In retrospect the school closings were a bad thing. Some mistakes are bound to happen in a once in a century pandemic. Time to move on.

Nope. These people should pay. There are 10-11 year olds who cannot read.

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Anonymous wrote:Yea. We get it. In retrospect the school closings were a bad thing. Some mistakes are bound to happen in a once in a century pandemic. Time to move on.

Nope. These people should pay. There are 10-11 year olds who cannot read.

The point is the problem was before covid. Those kids couldn't read when they they were 8 and 9 either.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone intellectually knew this would be the result of extended school closures. But as evident in this thread, a lot of people didn’t care, and still don’t.

I know that teachers tried. But here's where teachers' unions, and by extension, teachers, take a hit. They assured parents that as "experts" they knew what was best for children and would be quickly able to get children back up to speed once schools reopened. That has not turned out to be true. Instead, the problems caused by the pandemic, and exacerbated by virtual school, have made teaching even more difficult and students and parents chronically stressed and unsupported. Decision makers underestimated the harms of isolation and personal interaction between teachers and students and students with their fellow classmates. We are not talking about "learning losses" or setbacks, we now dealing with scores of anxious and depressed kids who can't learn. They don't trust anyone or believe that anyone cares about them.

Oh, and by the way, what was the plan for graduating seniors to make up all of the material they missed? There wasn't one, and no one cares. It's better to blame kids and their parents for everything and allow these kids to get lost.

The blame falls squarely on the democrats here:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1095412.page

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Anonymous wrote:Yea. We get it. In retrospect the school closings were a bad thing. Some mistakes are bound to happen in a once in a century pandemic. Time to move on.

Nope. These people should pay. There are 10-11 year olds who cannot read.

The point is the problem was before covid. Those kids couldn't read when they they were 8 and 9 either.

That isn’t true. Kids aren’t either A students or failures. A kid who was barely on grade level, or just below, pre Covid might have lost 6-10 months of learning. So they went from hanging in there to well behind. It isn’t that failing kids are still failing. It’s that kids who were vulnerable were tipped over the edge. Your blithe dismissal of “well, they were losers anyway” is pretty offensive.

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Anonymous wrote:Yea. We get it. In retrospect the school closings were a bad thing. Some mistakes are bound to happen in a once in a century pandemic. Time to move on.

Nope. These people should pay. There are 10-11 year olds who cannot read.

The point is the problem was before covid. Those kids couldn't read when they they were 8 and 9 either.

That isn’t true. Kids aren’t either A students or failures. A kid who was barely on grade level, or just below, pre Covid might have lost 6-10 months of learning. So they went from hanging in there to well behind. It isn’t that failing kids are still failing. It’s that kids who were vulnerable were tipped over the edge. Your blithe dismissal of “well, they were losers anyway” is pretty offensive.

Completely missing the 👉

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Anonymous wrote:Breaking news...bad things disproportionately affect poor people

And people with learning disabilities. And teenagers.

Yes my teen with LD recently took the PSAT, I didn’t realize how badly his reading declined. I’ve hired a tutor for basic grammar skills.

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Sorry, there's data and there's qualitative data. Hard data points to the amount of death that was avoided. Grow up, dust yourselves off, parent your kids, and be f-ing glad you all are alive. Many people aren't. Many teachers died. Family members died from exposure. People DIED.


I would love it if the self righteous crap can just now end along with this global pandemic. It was a global pandemic, and it won't be the last. Learn to adapt.

With regard to you losing your friends in the summer of 2020, it isn't hard to figure out why. You are clueless and mean.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone intellectually knew this would be the result of extended school closures. But as evident in this thread, a lot of people didn’t care, and still don’t.

I know that teachers tried. But here's where teachers' unions, and by extension, teachers, take a hit. They assured parents that as "experts" they knew what was best for children and would be quickly able to get children back up to speed once schools reopened. That has not turned out to be true. Instead, the problems caused by the pandemic, and exacerbated by virtual school, have made teaching even more difficult and students and parents chronically stressed and unsupported. Decision makers underestimated the harms of isolation and personal interaction between teachers and students and students with their fellow classmates. We are not talking about "learning losses" or setbacks, we now dealing with scores of anxious and depressed kids who can't learn. They don't trust anyone or believe that anyone cares about them.

Oh, and by the way, what was the plan for graduating seniors to make up all of the material they missed? There wasn't one, and no one cares. It's better to blame kids and their parents for everything and allow these kids to get lost.

The blame falls squarely on the democrats here:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1095412.page

Thank God for Democrats. The Republican party does its level best to try and kill everyone. This pandemic was no different than any other day. I was so grateful to see a Dem back in office and often wonder how many lives would have been saved had there been Hillary Clinton sitting there in December of 2019.

Get over your sanctimonious BS.

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Anonymous wrote:Yea. We get it. In retrospect the school closings were a bad thing. Some mistakes are bound to happen in a once in a century pandemic. Time to move on.

Nope. These people should pay. There are 10-11 year olds who cannot read.

Pay how?

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Anonymous wrote:Yea. We get it. In retrospect the school closings were a bad thing. Some mistakes are bound to happen in a once in a century pandemic. Time to move on.

No. Moving on has to involve helping struggling kids by admitting how they were harmed and making a concerted effort to get them on track. For kids who are struggling in college, it's too late for them. We should not let that happen to any more kids.

Are they alive? Then, you won this one. You didn't lose.