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Attention all disgruntled parents who red-shirted...
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Anonymous
| the point is that a 12 month spread is to be expected. when you keep adding on just a few more months becuase those kids are only 2 0r three months older than the oldest kids in the class, you start to get an age spread of 15 to 18 months which starts to get out of hand after a awhile. When do you say enough is enough? |
Anonymous
| How does this all play out in later grades? Are red shrited kids getting more spots in competitive magnets, Highly Gigted Centers, AP and IB classes? Are they getting more spots on varsity teams? does "the gift of time" give them any advantage beyond kindergarten and first grade? |
Anonymous
My wife teaches in a Highly Gifted Center and wondered that herself, so looked into it - the answer is no, at least based on her limited sample, redshirted kids do not make up a significant part of the MCPS gifted center population. |
Anonymous
When you read the literature on the subject, the answer is no. And sometimes the redshirted kids are more likely to have behavior problems and need extra services (ie; there ends up being a learning disability that was originally attributed to immaturity/age.) Some studies have shown an early academic advantage up until the 3rd grade, at which point that disadvantage disappears, but there is hardly a consensus on the validity and reliability of those studies. |
Anonymous
| I *really* don't want to hold back our early summer birthday son, but my husband is in favor of doing so. Any tips on how to talk him down from the redshirting ledge? |
Anonymous
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I've looked for literature on how redshirted students compare, and I've found no reliable info. All the research (understandably) focuses on the segment of redshirted students that face development difficulties, emotional problems, or other at-risk environments. I imagine there's not much grant money available to study how much high-SES students with summer birthdays benefit from an extra year of pre-K or JK at some fancy-pants private school.
Simply on the naive theory that more schooling is always better, I'd imagine that there would be benefit to redshirting as long as your redshirted child is in school somewhere during that extra year, and not picking his nose on the playground or watching Yo Gabba Gabba for four hours a day. |
Anonymous
I have seen similar evidence among pre-flunked children--and it's a shame.
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Anonymous
This is completely retarded. Yes- I used the word 'retarded'. My son's preschool is made of from kids all of the DC, VA, MD area. They are all going to different Ks. The kids have no idea if anyone is being held back. The kids not coming back to preschool next year are older anyways. My son has a late Sept bday..2 days before our public co. cutoff. His friends in MD with bday within the same month didn't make the cutoff and will be back at preschool too. They certainly don't think they've flunked. Priceless. |
Anonymous
Yes. I am sure that is exactly how the parents phrase it. What a frickin' idiot. oh and that 'self-esteem'...kids get self-esteem by DOING.... Feminization of the American Education is what has pushed these 'borderline boy bdays' to lean toward holding back. This is nothing new, btw. Boys with late Sept bdays have been held back for years. What is happening in some of the DC privates is something entirely different. |
Anonymous
Mainly a bystander in this thread LOL, but from what I have seen, kids don't notice the age difference in K, but they do starting in about 2nd or 3rd grade. At least based on what my kid has reported back to me in terms of classroom conversations. |
Anonymous
and a bday 2 days earlier than an Oct. 1st bday does not make waves. I remember being jealous of the kids with the Sept.bdays that could drive...and later in college drink legally first. We had a kid that could drive in 7th grade. He was heads taller than everyone else..that makes for conversation...plus being a bit strange as well. Weeks, days does not matter. |
Anonymous
But no one is really talking about this. It's more the kids whose birthdays are months before the cutoff. And I'm sorry, but in the older grades, the kids do know and do talk about the fact that a kid is old or "flunked" or started late. Some kids may have no problem with this, but surely it is not such a stretch to realize that some kids WILL be embarrassed by this? |
Anonymous
This is not rocket science. Of course kids notice if people in their class are older or even younger than normal. I was 4 years old in Kindergarten and other kids certainly noticed that. And we had a boy in our class who was 6 years old (because he flunked) and the other kids noticed that too.
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Anonymous
| I have a question about redshirting/holding back/preflunking (or whatever else people want to call it). Is there an age limit on entering a child into K? I understand that all privates accept 5 year olds and some even accept 6 year olds for K. But would schools accept my DC's K application if we wanted DC to enter at 7 years old--or perhaps 8 years old? |
Anonymous
I thought it was a law that kids had to enter my county, Arlington, by 5 years old. We will only be 4 on the first day of school so nothing special is required for us for my son to enter next day after Labor Day at 5 years of age. I would imagine you would need documentation...what has kid been doing for the 2 years prior, etc... I am going to gander that it is INCREDIBLY rare for public schools to get kids who are 7 or 8 entering Kindergarten. This would be an usual exception. If the child has severe delays or disabilities requiring that late of an etnry-- Iwould assume it would be better served (and I am sure the county would direct them in that direction) in a special school or classroom designed for special needs. |