Widening 355 in MoCo

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Why don't we finish up the Brookville bypass before we start expanding another road in this County.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don't we finish up the Brookville bypass before we start expanding another road in this County.

That's a state iniative.

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Anonymous wrote:Pike and Rose has cannibalised Rockville Town Center.

I’d much rather got to Rockville Town Square. However, the charge for parking is ridiculous, so I go to Rio more often. Especially for movies, food, and Target.

Pike and Rose is a nightmare. Too much development at once.

So crowded, no one goes there.

Rockville Town Centre is not crowded and that is the problem.

Pre-pandemic, RTC was doing ok, but some key places closed and the spaces are still empty. It has potential, but I know people don't like the parking situation, and there aren't as many "draws" as at Pike and Rose or Rio. I go to Rio pretty often thanks to Target, and I'd probably go to Pike and Rose more if it wasn't such a nightmare to drive there. Honestly, I'm surprised there aren't multiple accidents a day there, with all the pedestrians and horribly designed parking garages. I'm sure they want it to be walkable, but then is it only for people who live within walking distance?

RTC and Pike both have 2 hours free. Parking is the same.

Parking isn't the same. When I park at RTC, the garages are big enough for cars to fit, and there aren't pedestrians jumping into the road all over the place. Also, people are mostly driving like normal people and not like entitled a-holes. So yes, the parking FEE is the same, but the parking experience is definitely not.

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traffic congestion is a function a terrible land use planning. Not road network necessarily. Widening major roads always leads to MORE traffic as more people will start using again.
-A professional urban planner

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Anonymous wrote:Pike and Rose has cannibalised Rockville Town Center.

I’d much rather got to Rockville Town Square. However, the charge for parking is ridiculous, so I go to Rio more often. Especially for movies, food, and Target.

Pike and Rose is a nightmare. Too much development at once.

So crowded, no one goes there.

Rockville Town Centre is not crowded and that is the problem.

Pre-pandemic, RTC was doing ok, but some key places closed and the spaces are still empty. It has potential, but I know people don't like the parking situation, and there aren't as many "draws" as at Pike and Rose or Rio. I go to Rio pretty often thanks to Target, and I'd probably go to Pike and Rose more if it wasn't such a nightmare to drive there. Honestly, I'm surprised there aren't multiple accidents a day there, with all the pedestrians and horribly designed parking garages. I'm sure they want it to be walkable, but then is it only for people who live within walking distance?

RTC and Pike both have 2 hours free. Parking is the same.

Parking isn't the same. When I park at RTC, the garages are big enough for cars to fit, and there aren't pedestrians jumping into the road all over the place. Also, people are mostly driving like normal people and not like entitled a-holes. So yes, the parking FEE is the same, but the parking experience is definitely not.

I keep reading that people hate rtc because the parking is terrible . I don't get it.

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Anonymous wrote:Pike and Rose has cannibalised Rockville Town Center.

I’d much rather got to Rockville Town Square. However, the charge for parking is ridiculous, so I go to Rio more often. Especially for movies, food, and Target.

Pike and Rose is a nightmare. Too much development at once.

So crowded, no one goes there.

Rockville Town Centre is not crowded and that is the problem.

Pre-pandemic, RTC was doing ok, but some key places closed and the spaces are still empty. It has potential, but I know people don't like the parking situation, and there aren't as many "draws" as at Pike and Rose or Rio. I go to Rio pretty often thanks to Target, and I'd probably go to Pike and Rose more if it wasn't such a nightmare to drive there. Honestly, I'm surprised there aren't multiple accidents a day there, with all the pedestrians and horribly designed parking garages. I'm sure they want it to be walkable, but then is it only for people who live within walking distance?

RTC and Pike both have 2 hours free. Parking is the same.

Parking isn't the same. When I park at RTC, the garages are big enough for cars to fit, and there aren't pedestrians jumping into the road all over the place. Also, people are mostly driving like normal people and not like entitled a-holes. So yes, the parking FEE is the same, but the parking experience is definitely not.

I keep reading that people hate rtc because the parking is terrible . I don't get it.

Maybe they hate it because they've never tried Pike and Rose.

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Anonymous wrote:traffic congestion is a function a terrible land use planning. Not road network necessarily. Widening major roads always leads to MORE traffic as more people will start using again.
-A professional urban planner

People/commuters are blood and roads along with transit are a circulatory system. If you don't build more roads the existing system will literally burst.

Adding more lanes increases overall capacity and allows more people to move throughout a region.

Now, what actually needs to happen is more Business needs to be located in PG county and Frederick so the road network is actually utilized in both directions.

The fallacy of this region is most of the commuting destinations are in the North West Quadrant instead of equally spread out in the other 3 quadrant areas.

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Anonymous wrote:traffic congestion is a function a terrible land use planning. Not road network necessarily. Widening major roads always leads to MORE traffic as more people will start using again.
-A professional urban planner

People/commuters are blood and roads along with transit are a circulatory system. If you don't build more roads the existing system will literally burst.

Adding more lanes increases overall capacity and allows more people to move throughout a region.

Now, what actually needs to happen is more Business needs to be located in PG county and Frederick so the road network is actually utilized in both directions.

The fallacy of this region is most of the commuting destinations are in the North West Quadrant instead of equally spread out in the other 3 quadrant areas.

Reducing the amount of space that commuters need in order to move throughout the region also adds capacity- you can fit many more people on a bus or a train than in a car that takes up the same amount of space.

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Anonymous wrote:How many people use busses to shop at the big box stores on 355.. I would have to walk to a ride on stop (which does not run with any frequency), ride a ride on to 355.wait for a second bus, rude to store and reverse to go home. Or just take my car.

You realize that in other parts of the world, people actually walk and bike to do their shopping, right? It is only in the US where fat, lazy Americans toodle around in carbon spewing boxes to get their errands done.

This is true but we plowed under our dense cities in the 1950's in order to rebuild them as a suburban/exurban hellscapes. The solution is to destroy all SFH's in the suburbs and force people to move into high rises.

Democrats' utopia/dream for everyone:

I will ask again, please cite a single instance where widening a road has had the effect of reducing congestion on said road.

Here’s a better example. Having reasonably wide parallel avenues creates a resilient road network that allows for higher density development that you presumably want. You have multiple parallel avenues and you have Manhattan. You have just two and you have the Wilson-Clarendon corridor in Arlington.

I would instead ask you for a single example of where in the world you had just one at-grade avenue that was about to serve as a foundational backbone for the types of density you want.

The only way the one road example works is with grade separated highways. So I’m scratching my head why the county is intentionally focusing on density along 355 (unless they plan to build a parallel road(s)) and not 270.

So the answer is no, I cannot cite a single example where widening a road leads to less congestion.

When faced with real world examples, you change revert to non sequitur to change the subject.

I’ve spent some time trying to figure out this ideology and the closest I’ve come to is that this is a traditionalist worldview that believes the height of civilization was medieval walled cities. You even turn your nose up at Manhattan. It’s wild.

But to answer your question, it seems that you have never been outside of a major city. Every lonesome rural highway in America defeats your proposition.

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Anonymous wrote:Pike and Rose has cannibalised Rockville Town Center.

I’d much rather got to Rockville Town Square. However, the charge for parking is ridiculous, so I go to Rio more often. Especially for movies, food, and Target.

Pike and Rose is a nightmare. Too much development at once.

So crowded, no one goes there.

Rockville Town Centre is not crowded and that is the problem.

Pre-pandemic, RTC was doing ok, but some key places closed and the spaces are still empty. It has potential, but I know people don't like the parking situation, and there aren't as many "draws" as at Pike and Rose or Rio. I go to Rio pretty often thanks to Target, and I'd probably go to Pike and Rose more if it wasn't such a nightmare to drive there. Honestly, I'm surprised there aren't multiple accidents a day there, with all the pedestrians and horribly designed parking garages. I'm sure they want it to be walkable, but then is it only for people who live within walking distance?

RTC and Pike both have 2 hours free. Parking is the same.

Parking isn't the same. When I park at RTC, the garages are big enough for cars to fit, and there aren't pedestrians jumping into the road all over the place. Also, people are mostly driving like normal people and not like entitled a-holes. So yes, the parking FEE is the same, but the parking experience is definitely not.

I keep reading that people hate rtc because the parking is terrible . I don't get it.

Maybe they hate it because they've never tried Pike and Rose.

The parking situation and overall people/vehicle interface there drives me crazy. Since it was built from the ground up there was no excuse for the poor planning and design. Needed wider sidewalks, wider streets, better parking structures that are designed better. Two of the parking structures are impossible to enter/exit because of pedestrians. They just now removed the only convenient and reliable place to park, which is the surface lot next to REI. Why would they do that? And who wants to carry skis or a kayak or whatever a number of blocks? It makes zero sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Pike and Rose has cannibalised Rockville Town Center.

I’d much rather got to Rockville Town Square. However, the charge for parking is ridiculous, so I go to Rio more often. Especially for movies, food, and Target.

Pike and Rose is a nightmare. Too much development at once.

So crowded, no one goes there.

Rockville Town Centre is not crowded and that is the problem.

Pre-pandemic, RTC was doing ok, but some key places closed and the spaces are still empty. It has potential, but I know people don't like the parking situation, and there aren't as many "draws" as at Pike and Rose or Rio. I go to Rio pretty often thanks to Target, and I'd probably go to Pike and Rose more if it wasn't such a nightmare to drive there. Honestly, I'm surprised there aren't multiple accidents a day there, with all the pedestrians and horribly designed parking garages. I'm sure they want it to be walkable, but then is it only for people who live within walking distance?

RTC and Pike both have 2 hours free. Parking is the same.

Parking isn't the same. When I park at RTC, the garages are big enough for cars to fit, and there aren't pedestrians jumping into the road all over the place. Also, people are mostly driving like normal people and not like entitled a-holes. So yes, the parking FEE is the same, but the parking experience is definitely not.

I keep reading that people hate rtc because the parking is terrible . I don't get it.

Maybe they hate it because they've never tried Pike and Rose.

This Pike And Rose makes parking at RTC look good.

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Anonymous wrote:traffic congestion is a function a terrible land use planning. Not road network necessarily. Widening major roads always leads to MORE traffic as more people will start using again.
-A professional urban planner

People/commuters are blood and roads along with transit are a circulatory system. If you don't build more roads the existing system will literally burst.

Adding more lanes increases overall capacity and allows more people to move throughout a region.

Now, what actually needs to happen is more Business needs to be located in PG county and Frederick so the road network is actually utilized in both directions.

The fallacy of this region is most of the commuting destinations are in the North West Quadrant instead of equally spread out in the other 3 quadrant areas.

Reducing the amount of space that commuters need in order to move throughout the region also adds capacity- you can fit many more people on a bus or a train than in a car that takes up the same amount of space.

This makes zero sense. Absolutely zero. Removing capacity does not increase capacity. How foolish and a clear example of people thinking that they are too smart for their own good.

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Anonymous wrote:traffic congestion is a function a terrible land use planning. Not road network necessarily. Widening major roads always leads to MORE traffic as more people will start using again.
-A professional urban planner

People/commuters are blood and roads along with transit are a circulatory system. If you don't build more roads the existing system will literally burst.

Adding more lanes increases overall capacity and allows more people to move throughout a region.

Now, what actually needs to happen is more Business needs to be located in PG county and Frederick so the road network is actually utilized in both directions.

The fallacy of this region is most of the commuting destinations are in the North West Quadrant instead of equally spread out in the other 3 quadrant areas.

No, it will not burst; it will clog. People will be forced to drive more slowly and allow more time or choose another time to drive to the store or different stores to drive to. Perhaps stores in PG county and Frederick. Are you driving to stores there these days?

No sympathy for people sitting in traffic on the Pike when 270 is just west and takes you right to Frederick.

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Anonymous wrote:traffic congestion is a function a terrible land use planning. Not road network necessarily. Widening major roads always leads to MORE traffic as more people will start using again.
-A professional urban planner

People/commuters are blood and roads along with transit are a circulatory system. If you don't build more roads the existing system will literally burst.

Adding more lanes increases overall capacity and allows more people to move throughout a region.

Now, what actually needs to happen is more Business needs to be located in PG county and Frederick so the road network is actually utilized in both directions.

The fallacy of this region is most of the commuting destinations are in the North West Quadrant instead of equally spread out in the other 3 quadrant areas.

No, it will not burst; it will clog. People will be forced to drive more slowly and allow more time or choose another time to drive to the store or different stores to drive to. Perhaps stores in PG county and Frederick. Are you driving to stores there these days?

No sympathy for people sitting in traffic on the Pike when 270 is just west and takes you right to Frederick.

No sympathy for the people who bought into the “New Urbanist” experiment on 355 and are now stuck in traffic?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why don't we finish up the Brookville bypass before we start expanding another road in this County.

Maybe we are capable of doing more than one thing at a time?