Teachers give us the down dirty about SOL scores this year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain the threshold for offering a child a retake vs. just letting them fail?

They are eligible to retake if they scored at least 375. It is up to the parents if they want them to retake if it’s not a high school course. If it is a HS class, it’s likely needed for graduation and there will be a retake date. If in HS and below 375 the retake would be later in summer or fall after remediation instead of in 1-2 weeks during the expedited retake/make up window.

If it’s elementary school and below 375 there is not an option to retake but remediation will likely be offered.

So if it's ES and below 375 will they still wait until the summer to tell us the score or will they try to do some remediation in the next couple of weeks? I don't have a whole lot of faith in my kid's school, she has been doing poorly and the school has not offered us any help. We've had to hire tutors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain the threshold for offering a child a retake vs. just letting them fail?

They are eligible to retake if they scored at least 375. It is up to the parents if they want them to retake if it’s not a high school course. If it is a HS class, it’s likely needed for graduation and there will be a retake date. If in HS and below 375 the retake would be later in summer or fall after remediation instead of in 1-2 weeks during the expedited retake/make up window.

If it’s elementary school and below 375 there is not an option to retake but remediation will likely be offered.

So if it's ES and below 375 will they still wait until the summer to tell us the score or will they try to do some remediation in the next couple of weeks? I don't have a whole lot of faith in my kid's school, she has been doing poorly and the school has not offered us any help. We've had to hire tutors.

They won’t receive remediation this year, that is saved for the students in the retake zone. I wouldn’t count on it for next year either. EVERY year it takes 3-4 months to get the MTSS process up and running. Stay with the tutoring. (ES Teacher)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain the threshold for offering a child a retake vs. just letting them fail?

They are eligible to retake if they scored at least 375. It is up to the parents if they want them to retake if it’s not a high school course. If it is a HS class, it’s likely needed for graduation and there will be a retake date. If in HS and below 375 the retake would be later in summer or fall after remediation instead of in 1-2 weeks during the expedited retake/make up window.

If it’s elementary school and below 375 there is not an option to retake but remediation will likely be offered.

So if it's ES and below 375 will they still wait until the summer to tell us the score or will they try to do some remediation in the next couple of weeks? I don't have a whole lot of faith in my kid's school, she has been doing poorly and the school has not offered us any help. We've had to hire tutors.

They won’t receive remediation this year, that is saved for the students in the retake zone. I wouldn’t count on it for next year either. EVERY year it takes 3-4 months to get the MTSS process up and running. Stay with the tutoring. (ES Teacher)

Good to know. I posted the info about the 375 and have only taught high school. My own children are younger and it’s nice to hear how it works in elementary school. It’s so different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The thing that stands out about this thread is just how much AAP is a farce and should be dismantled because the whole thing is gamed.

If half the "gifted" kids an AAP class can't pass the basic, statewide math SOL, that's a sign that maybe they are not gifted.

Could be true, but the thing is the 5th graders are taking the 6th grade math. They had half a year of in person in 3rd and maybe a quarter of in person in 4th grade while they were learning 1.5 times the curriculum. So it was difficult to make all that up this year. The 5th grade math AAP teachers had to “review” things that the kids didn’t know because of covid.

I mean think what you want, but it definitely played a role. I’m not a super big fan of AAP, but this isn’t a good reason to dismantle it. THere are much better reasons if you are trying to start getting rid of the program. This one is easily explained.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The thing that stands out about this thread is just how much AAP is a farce and should be dismantled because the whole thing is gamed.

If half the "gifted" kids an AAP class can't pass the basic, statewide math SOL, that's a sign that maybe they are not gifted.

As someone who teaches AAP, I can definitively say that 95% of them are not “gifted”. Many are just smart, too smart for the Gen Ed program that exists at many schools. That’s it.

[Anonymous]

Third Grade
Reading:
9 Pass Advanced
13 Pass Proficient
2 Fail, below the retake range

Math:
5 Pass Advanced
17 Pass Proficient
2 Fail, within retake range

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The thing that stands out about this thread is just how much AAP is a farce and should be dismantled because the whole thing is gamed.

If half the "gifted" kids an AAP class can't pass the basic, statewide math SOL, that's a sign that maybe they are not gifted.

I don't know about the SOLs, but I know that every kid my kid knows scored at least 91th on the IAAT, most well above 95th percentile. May or may not be gifted but should be there.

If you look at all the data, the centers vary. At some centers, all the AAP kids pass and many/most/nearly all pass advanced. At other centers, few pass advanced and a not-insignificant number do not pass. Do you want to argue that those centers should be dismantled?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing that stands out about this thread is just how much AAP is a farce and should be dismantled because the whole thing is gamed.

If half the "gifted" kids an AAP class can't pass the basic, statewide math SOL, that's a sign that maybe they are not gifted.

I don't know about the SOLs, but I know that every kid my kid knows scored at least 91th on the IAAT, most well above 95th percentile. May or may not be gifted but should be there.

If you look at all the data, the centers vary. At some centers, all the AAP kids pass and many/most/nearly all pass advanced. At other centers, few pass advanced and a not-insignificant number do not pass. Do you want to argue that those centers should be dismantled?

PP here. Sorry sorry, wrong thread. Just skip this post and carry on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Third Grade
Reading:
9 Pass Advanced
13 Pass Proficient
2 Fail, below the retake range

Math:
5 Pass Advanced
17 Pass Proficient
2 Fail, within retake range

Seems good. Do you know how this compares to pre-pandemic scores?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing that stands out about this thread is just how much AAP is a farce and should be dismantled because the whole thing is gamed.

If half the "gifted" kids an AAP class can't pass the basic, statewide math SOL, that's a sign that maybe they are not gifted.

Could be true, but the thing is the 5th graders are taking the 6th grade math. They had half a year of in person in 3rd and maybe a quarter of in person in 4th grade while they were learning 1.5 times the curriculum. So it was difficult to make all that up this year. The 5th grade math AAP teachers had to “review” things that the kids didn’t know because of covid.

I mean think what you want, but it definitely played a role. I’m not a super big fan of AAP, but this isn’t a good reason to dismantle it. THere are much better reasons if you are trying to start getting rid of the program. This one is easily explained.

The kids did not miss half a year of third grade. School let out in March 2020. Most schools had 1-2 units left but everything else was taught.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing that stands out about this thread is just how much AAP is a farce and should be dismantled because the whole thing is gamed.

If half the "gifted" kids an AAP class can't pass the basic, statewide math SOL, that's a sign that maybe they are not gifted.

Could be true, but the thing is the 5th graders are taking the 6th grade math. They had half a year of in person in 3rd and maybe a quarter of in person in 4th grade while they were learning 1.5 times the curriculum. So it was difficult to make all that up this year. The 5th grade math AAP teachers had to “review” things that the kids didn’t know because of covid.

I mean think what you want, but it definitely played a role. I’m not a super big fan of AAP, but this isn’t a good reason to dismantle it. THere are much better reasons if you are trying to start getting rid of the program. This one is easily explained.

The kids did not miss half a year of third grade. School let out in March 2020. Most schools had 1-2 units left but everything else was taught.

They missed 1/3rd of the year. My aap 3rd grader's cladd was still in 3rd grade math.
Their school did not teach the rest of the year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing that stands out about this thread is just how much AAP is a farce and should be dismantled because the whole thing is gamed.

If half the "gifted" kids an AAP class can't pass the basic, statewide math SOL, that's a sign that maybe they are not gifted.

Could be true, but the thing is the 5th graders are taking the 6th grade math. They had half a year of in person in 3rd and maybe a quarter of in person in 4th grade while they were learning 1.5 times the curriculum. So it was difficult to make all that up this year. The 5th grade math AAP teachers had to “review” things that the kids didn’t know because of covid.

I mean think what you want, but it definitely played a role. I’m not a super big fan of AAP, but this isn’t a good reason to dismantle it. THere are much better reasons if you are trying to start getting rid of the program. This one is easily explained.

The kids did not miss half a year of third grade. School let out in March 2020. Most schools had 1-2 units left but everything else was taught.

They missed 1/3rd of the year. My aap 3rd grader's cladd was still in 3rd grade math.
Their school did not teach the rest of the year.

Not so good with math, eh? Can you blame the pandemic for that?

[Anonymous]

March, april, may and the first 2-3 weeks of june is 1/3rd of a school year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The thing that stands out about this thread is just how much AAP is a farce and should be dismantled because the whole thing is gamed.

If half the "gifted" kids an AAP class can't pass the basic, statewide math SOL, that's a sign that maybe they are not gifted.

Could be true, but the thing is the 5th graders are taking the 6th grade math. They had half a year of in person in 3rd and maybe a quarter of in person in 4th grade while they were learning 1.5 times the curriculum. So it was difficult to make all that up this year. The 5th grade math AAP teachers had to “review” things that the kids didn’t know because of covid.

I mean think what you want, but it definitely played a role. I’m not a super big fan of AAP, but this isn’t a good reason to dismantle it. THere are much better reasons if you are trying to start getting rid of the program. This one is easily explained.

The kids did not miss half a year of third grade. School let out in March 2020. Most schools had 1-2 units left but everything else was taught.

They missed 1/3rd of the year. My aap 3rd grader's cladd was still in 3rd grade math.
Their school did not teach the rest of the year.

Well your situation looks like it is a teacher issue and school issue. I had one and a half units to teach and finished up virtually once we were given the green light. If you teacher/school didn’t do that then I am sorry. But many kids did finish their math curriculum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:March, april, may and the first 2-3 weeks of june is 1/3rd of a school year.

Yes but we all know in normal years SOLS are in May. After that not a ton of new curriculum is taught. More projects are happening. If a teacher is staying close to pacing new content would be done in May for math. So not 1/3 of the year.