UK Govt List of Elite World Universities

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Anonymous wrote:This list is NONSENSE. I am an immigrant educated in Britain (Oxbridge), with many years in Asia, and there is NO WAY that Chinese University of Hong Kong, or EPFL, or Kyoto University, NUS (Singapore) or McGill are better than the top schools in the US (including SLACs)! The students in these universities want to come to the US for a better education not the other way around.

This is just a list put together to try to be "globally representative" and fails to capture the true academic and educational experience of US universities.

We sent our kids to US schools even though our kids got some of these universities. There is simply no comparison to the educational experience in the US.

"Try to be globally representative"? Well, this list is an "Alphabetical Rankings Lists 2021 (establishments from Top 50 rankings which appeared on 2 or more lists)" (read from the actual webpage). It makes perfect sense and has nothing to do with the educational experience anywhere. Metrics of these rankings can always be questioned but it seems this list is still representative of Top 50.

"The students in these universities want to come to the US for a better education not the other way around"? You may believe so. The price tag attached to the "true academic and educational experience of US universities" is ridiculous for undergrad while you may get on par in other parts of the world for a fraction of the price. With no handholding once you join - your DC is treated as an adult from Day 1. Experiences are just different.

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Anonymous wrote:Brown, Dartmouth, Amherst, Rice, Williams?

Most people in the US have never heard of them.

Absolutely not true for most people in the US who have the numbers to potentially be admitted.

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People, remember the time-limited caveat at the top of this contentious list.

Most “high—potential” students who graduated last year or will graduate this year already work or have offers in hand. I don’t know how impactful this will be. In addition, the UK is headed for Recession City.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This list is NONSENSE. I am an immigrant educated in Britain (Oxbridge), with many years in Asia, and there is NO WAY that Chinese University of Hong Kong, or EPFL, or Kyoto University, NUS (Singapore) or McGill are better than the top schools in the US (including SLACs)! The students in these universities want to come to the US for a better education not the other way around.

This is just a list put together to try to be "globally representative" and fails to capture the true academic and educational experience of US universities.

We sent our kids to US schools even though our kids got some of these universities. There is simply no comparison to the educational experience in the US.

There are a few of us international folks on this board, PP, and you're a generation out of date. When I was in school, Asian universities were not well-known in the West. Now their worth has been recognized (they were always pretty good, and have vastly improved recently).

I agree that this list has been compiled with global representation in mind, absolutely. But you're kidding yourself if you believe that most SLACs or state unis will ever be on an international list.

Have you seen the research that's being produced at these international universities?? Volume is not quality. That's the problem with these global rankings. The SLACs are not on any global ranking and that's fine because they are not intended to be research or PhD universities.

By the way, I hire for an international organization and US graduates (PhD programs) trump the graduates from other international universities.

I bet you the UK government will shut this down after 2 years because they will be inundated by students from China, Singapore etc who want to be in the UK.

This program has been going on since 2016.

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It's a bizarre list for the reasons already mentioned. It looks like something assembled by mediocre bureaucrats whose knowledge of American schools came from watching TV. I looked at the fine details. The visa cost 715 pounds and you apply for it. Is it guaranteed? Didn't say so.

I've a feeling very few American students use this.

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The list is a good reflection of the brand awareness for these institutions in STEM, particularly in the international/British rankings that the UK government examined to compile the list. By this, the UK government is stating that it will presume that these schools have sufficient reputation for their graduates to be presumed as qualifying for this program.

It's like watches - there are internationally recognized brands like Rolex, Omega and Tag Heuer. Everyone knows these brands. And it is possible for a brand to move up and into this category, like Tag Heuer did.

The SLACs and the non-listed Ivys can be likened to Patek Philippe. They are of the same quality level, just not as well-known. But discerning consumers know their value.

I will leave it to the imagination about what are the university comparables to Swatch, Casio and Timex.

The real question is what universities will be the brands that break the market, e.g., Apple Watch?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This list is NONSENSE. I am an immigrant educated in Britain (Oxbridge), with many years in Asia, and there is NO WAY that Chinese University of Hong Kong, or EPFL, or Kyoto University, NUS (Singapore) or McGill are better than the top schools in the US (including SLACs)! The students in these universities want to come to the US for a better education not the other way around.

This is just a list put together to try to be "globally representative" and fails to capture the true academic and educational experience of US universities.

We sent our kids to US schools even though our kids got some of these universities. There is simply no comparison to the educational experience in the US.

There are a few of us international folks on this board, PP, and you're a generation out of date. When I was in school, Asian universities were not well-known in the West. Now their worth has been recognized (they were always pretty good, and have vastly improved recently).

I agree that this list has been compiled with global representation in mind, absolutely. But you're kidding yourself if you believe that most SLACs or state unis will ever be on an international list.

Have you seen the research that's being produced at these international universities?? Volume is not quality. That's the problem with these global rankings. The SLACs are not on any global ranking and that's fine because they are not intended to be research or PhD universities.

By the way, I hire for an international organization and US graduates (PhD programs) trump the graduates from other international universities.

I bet you the UK government will shut this down after 2 years because they will be inundated by students from China, Singapore etc who want to be in the UK.

This program has been going on since 2016.

No started in April 2022.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This list is NONSENSE. I am an immigrant educated in Britain (Oxbridge), with many years in Asia, and there is NO WAY that Chinese University of Hong Kong, or EPFL, or Kyoto University, NUS (Singapore) or McGill are better than the top schools in the US (including SLACs)! The students in these universities want to come to the US for a better education not the other way around.

This is just a list put together to try to be "globally representative" and fails to capture the true academic and educational experience of US universities.

We sent our kids to US schools even though our kids got some of these universities. There is simply no comparison to the educational experience in the US.

"Try to be globally representative"? Well, this list is an "Alphabetical Rankings Lists 2021 (establishments from Top 50 rankings which appeared on 2 or more lists)" (read from the actual webpage). It makes perfect sense and has nothing to do with the educational experience anywhere. Metrics of these rankings can always be questioned but it seems this list is still representative of Top 50.

"The students in these universities want to come to the US for a better education not the other way around"? You may believe so. The price tag attached to the "true academic and educational experience of US universities" is ridiculous for undergrad while you may get on par in other parts of the world for a fraction of the price. With no handholding once you join - your DC is treated as an adult from Day 1. Experiences are just different.

The ones who cannot afford will be given financial aid and the ones who can afford it have more money that you and I can imagine. Why do you think US universities love the Chinese from China and Hong Kong?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Six state universities. No UVA. LMAO

UVA is not an elite university.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This list is NONSENSE. I am an immigrant educated in Britain (Oxbridge), with many years in Asia, and there is NO WAY that Chinese University of Hong Kong, or EPFL, or Kyoto University, NUS (Singapore) or McGill are better than the top schools in the US (including SLACs)! The students in these universities want to come to the US for a better education not the other way around.

This is just a list put together to try to be "globally representative" and fails to capture the true academic and educational experience of US universities.

We sent our kids to US schools even though our kids got some of these universities. There is simply no comparison to the educational experience in the US.

"Try to be globally representative"? Well, this list is an "Alphabetical Rankings Lists 2021 (establishments from Top 50 rankings which appeared on 2 or more lists)" (read from the actual webpage). It makes perfect sense and has nothing to do with the educational experience anywhere. Metrics of these rankings can always be questioned but it seems this list is still representative of Top 50.

"The students in these universities want to come to the US for a better education not the other way around"? You may believe so. The price tag attached to the "true academic and educational experience of US universities" is ridiculous for undergrad while you may get on par in other parts of the world for a fraction of the price. With no handholding once you join - your DC is treated as an adult from Day 1. Experiences are just different.

The ones who cannot afford will be given financial aid and the ones who can afford it have more money that you and I can imagine. Why do you think US universities love the Chinese from China and Hong Kong?

Sure. You just proved my point exactly International students represent at most 10% of an undergrad class. Most US universities on this list are need aware - thus for both most US and international applicants, they actually need to be able to afford such institutions. So much for "holistic" approach. While most universities abroad on the same list do first consider academics - and cost almost half the price if not less. Oh right -I can hear from here that students from these universities abroad would not be able to be admitted in the US as they are not the "same caliber". Again, this is just a matter of different approaches. By the way I am international and have been living in the US for a while. My DCs have been admitted on several colleges/ universities on the list. Tuitions fully covered by our companies even though we could afford. DCs still chose abroad over US for undergrad for good reasons. One is now doing grad school in the US. The mix of both works well for them.

I am just reacting to the total lack of respect for what is outside the US, considered as "less than..." while it is just different. Everybody has to consider their own trajectory and see where they see themselves after they graduate. Your playground may stop at the borders of your own country or you can push them and consider the world. Not everybody considers that 4 years on an American campus is the panacea, regardless of the brand name.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This list is NONSENSE. I am an immigrant educated in Britain (Oxbridge), with many years in Asia, and there is NO WAY that Chinese University of Hong Kong, or EPFL, or Kyoto University, NUS (Singapore) or McGill are better than the top schools in the US (including SLACs)! The students in these universities want to come to the US for a better education not the other way around.

This is just a list put together to try to be "globally representative" and fails to capture the true academic and educational experience of US universities.

We sent our kids to US schools even though our kids got some of these universities. There is simply no comparison to the educational experience in the US.

I wonder why you say that. Can you provide your thoughts?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Six state universities. No UVA. LMAO

UVA is not an elite university.

It IS for VA. Probably one of the best Unis in VA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Six state universities. No UVA. LMAO

UVA is not an elite university.

It IS for VA. Probably one of the best Unis in VA.

The title says "Elite World Universities".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Six state universities. No UVA. LMAO

UVA is not an elite university.

It IS for VA. Probably one of the best Unis in VA.

The title says "Elite World Universities".

I am sure that was sarcasm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Six state universities. No UVA. LMAO

UVA is not an elite university.

It IS for VA. Probably one of the best Unis in VA.

The title says "Elite World Universities".

I am sure that was sarcasm.

Maybe about "Elite" part but definitely not about the list covering universities in the WORLD and not just in VA or US.