UK Govt List of Elite World Universities

[Anonymous]

Starting May 2022, the UK government is implementing its "high potential" immigrant program by giving 2 year open work visas for everyone graduating with a bachelors/masters/PhD degree from the following universities:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/high-potential-individual-visa-global-universities-list/high-potential-individual-visa-global-universities-list-2021

California Institute of Technology (Caltech) USA

Chinese University of Hong Kong (CUHK) Hong Kong

Columbia University USA

Cornell University USA

Duke University USA

Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne (EPFL Switzerland) Switzerland

ETH Zurich (Swiss Federal Institute of Technology) Switzerland

Harvard University USA

Johns Hopkins University USA

Karolinska Institute Sweden

Kyoto University Japan

Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) USA

McGill University Canada

Nanyang Technological University (NTU) Singapore

National University of Singapore Singapore

New York University (NYU) USA

Northwestern University USA

Paris Sciences et Lettres – PSL Research University France

Peking University China

Princeton University USA

Stanford University USA

Tsinghua University China

University of British Columbia Canada

University of California, Berkeley USA

University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) USA

University of California, San Diego USA

University of Chicago US USA

University of Hong Kong Hong Kong

University of Melbourne Australia

University of Michigan-Ann Arbor USA

University of Munich (LMU Munich) Germany

University of Pennsylvania USA

University of Texas at Austin USA

University of Tokyo Japan

University of Toronto Canada

University of Washington USA

Yale University USA

[Anonymous]

Ha! No UVA or UMD. Let the wailing and lamentations begin!

[Anonymous]

They’ve got UDub and UT, plus NYU (?) but no UVA, GaTech, Carnegie Mellon, Rice? Bizarre choices.
It’s telling that there are no SLACs on this list, either, considering many have grad programs. Does the UK even have jobs available right now? I thought they are headed into a recession far sooner than we are.

[Anonymous]

Our UK PhD stem friend had never heard of UVA or Georgetown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They’ve got UDub and UT, plus NYU (?) but no UVA, GaTech, Carnegie Mellon, Rice? Bizarre choices.
It’s telling that there are no SLACs on this list, either, considering many have grad programs. Does the UK even have jobs available right now? I thought they are headed into a recession far sooner than we are.

People need to understand what "university" means. Rice, etc. are great at undergraduate education but that does not make them top universities. The USNews "National Universities" ranking is a misnomer given it's focus on undergraduate education, and clearly constantly confuses people on a daily basis.

Both University of Washington and NYU are major research universities, particularly for medicine. GaTech and Carnegie Mellon are both great at engineering research but not so much in other areas. Looks like U.K. is not focusing on engineering talent with this list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our UK PhD stem friend had never heard of UVA or Georgetown.

Most well educated Brits have heard of Georgetown. I went to Oxford and even I have heard of it.

[Anonymous]

So nothing for top ten SLACS?

[Anonymous]

This list is NONSENSE. I am an immigrant educated in Britain (Oxbridge), with many years in Asia, and there is NO WAY that Chinese University of Hong Kong, or EPFL, or Kyoto University, NUS (Singapore) or McGill are better than the top schools in the US (including SLACs)! The students in these universities want to come to the US for a better education not the other way around.

This is just a list put together to try to be "globally representative" and fails to capture the true academic and educational experience of US universities.

We sent our kids to US schools even though our kids got some of these universities. There is simply no comparison to the educational experience in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This list is NONSENSE. I am an immigrant educated in Britain (Oxbridge), with many years in Asia, and there is NO WAY that Chinese University of Hong Kong, or EPFL, or Kyoto University, NUS (Singapore) or McGill are better than the top schools in the US (including SLACs)! The students in these universities want to come to the US for a better education not the other way around.

This is just a list put together to try to be "globally representative" and fails to capture the true academic and educational experience of US universities.

We sent our kids to US schools even though our kids got some of these universities. There is simply no comparison to the educational experience in the US.

The list is obviously not perfect, but how many university ranking lists are officially endorsed by a major country's government? This is the only list I know that officially comes from the UK government.

[Anonymous]

So typically British to try to distill something as complex as “potential” down to a school’s brand name. As though an admissions reader at 18 can predict an entire future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This list is NONSENSE. I am an immigrant educated in Britain (Oxbridge), with many years in Asia, and there is NO WAY that Chinese University of Hong Kong, or EPFL, or Kyoto University, NUS (Singapore) or McGill are better than the top schools in the US (including SLACs)! The students in these universities want to come to the US for a better education not the other way around.

This is just a list put together to try to be "globally representative" and fails to capture the true academic and educational experience of US universities.

We sent our kids to US schools even though our kids got some of these universities. There is simply no comparison to the educational experience in the US.

The list is obviously not perfect, but how many university ranking lists are officially endorsed by a major country's government? This is the only list I know that officially comes from the UK government.

You completely misunderstood this list. This is just a list (taking large universities from each country) for awarding visas. Even if you attend a school not listed, as long as the employer sponsors you, you will be eligible for a high potential visa. Nothing to do with rankings. Geez, you are incredibly gullible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This list is NONSENSE. I am an immigrant educated in Britain (Oxbridge), with many years in Asia, and there is NO WAY that Chinese University of Hong Kong, or EPFL, or Kyoto University, NUS (Singapore) or McGill are better than the top schools in the US (including SLACs)! The students in these universities want to come to the US for a better education not the other way around.

This is just a list put together to try to be "globally representative" and fails to capture the true academic and educational experience of US universities.

We sent our kids to US schools even though our kids got some of these universities. There is simply no comparison to the educational experience in the US.

I’d be really interested in seeing a thread by people with experience like yours comparing and contrasting.

What makes you favor top U.S. schools over top non-U.S. schools?

Say we were talking about William and Mary and Virginia Tech, not the la la land lottery schools. If William and Mary were in the UK, where, in your opinion, would it fit in the university hierarchy?

Where do you feel schools like Leiden University or the Sorbonne would fit if they were in the United States?

NOT because I care about rankings, as such, but because a lot of U.S. kids are looking at bachelor’s degree programs in Europe and Canada these days, and I’m wondering how to weight education quality factors along with cost and convenience factors.

Is a McGill class really worse than the equivalent University of Maryland class? If yes, why?

How about if the comparison school were James Madison or George Mason, rather than a state flagship?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This list is NONSENSE. I am an immigrant educated in Britain (Oxbridge), with many years in Asia, and there is NO WAY that Chinese University of Hong Kong, or EPFL, or Kyoto University, NUS (Singapore) or McGill are better than the top schools in the US (including SLACs)! The students in these universities want to come to the US for a better education not the other way around.

This is just a list put together to try to be "globally representative" and fails to capture the true academic and educational experience of US universities.

We sent our kids to US schools even though our kids got some of these universities. There is simply no comparison to the educational experience in the US.

The list is obviously not perfect, but how many university ranking lists are officially endorsed by a major country's government? This is the only list I know that officially comes from the UK government.

You completely misunderstood this list. This is just a list (taking large universities from each country) for awarding visas. Even if you attend a school not listed, as long as the employer sponsors you, you will be eligible for a high potential visa. Nothing to do with rankings. Geez, you are incredibly gullible.

DP. I don't think you know what large is.

[Anonymous]

You can debate the list but it is a bold move by U.K. government to compete for top talent. While it is getting harder for foreigners graduating US schools to stay legally in US, UK makes it very easy. I have mixed feelings about that. Less competition for my kids on one hand, not good for us in the long run otoh.

[Anonymous]

No Brown and Dartmouth lol