UK Govt List of Elite World Universities

[Anonymous]

That is a strange list.

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Anonymous wrote:They’ve got UDub and UT, plus NYU (?) but no UVA, GaTech, Carnegie Mellon, Rice? Bizarre choices.
It’s telling that there are no SLACs on this list, either, considering many have grad programs. Does the UK even have jobs available right now? I thought they are headed into a recession far sooner than we are.

People need to understand what "university" means. Rice, etc. are great at undergraduate education but that does not make them top universities. The USNews "National Universities" ranking is a misnomer given it's focus on undergraduate education, and clearly constantly confuses people on a daily basis.

Both University of Washington and NYU are major research universities, particularly for medicine. GaTech and Carnegie Mellon are both great at engineering research but not so much in other areas. Looks like U.K. is not focusing on engineering talent with this list.

Rice is also a tier 1 research school but it’s small so not noticeable. UT is huge so hard to miss.

[Anonymous]

Brown, Dartmouth, Amherst, Rice, Williams?

[Anonymous]

If you are picking school for undergrad, it’s much different than picking one for PhD.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are picking school for undergrad, it’s much different than picking one for PhD.

The visa includes Bachelors degrees.

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Anonymous wrote:You can debate the list but it is a bold move by U.K. government to compete for top talent. While it is getting harder for foreigners graduating US schools to stay legally in US, UK makes it very easy. I have mixed feelings about that. Less competition for my kids on one hand, not good for us in the long run otoh.

It is not a bold move, it means nothing at all. I went to a small SLAC that no one has heard of and got a visa to work in the UK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Brown, Dartmouth, Amherst, Rice, Williams?

Please stop overeating Rice.

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Anonymous wrote:Brown, Dartmouth, Amherst, Rice, Williams?

How many Amherst or Williams grads are looking to get a 2 year visa in the UK. They are too small for the UK to prioritize.

[Anonymous]

Lol. I’m totally doing this. Go blue!!

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Anonymous wrote:This list is NONSENSE. I am an immigrant educated in Britain (Oxbridge), with many years in Asia, and there is NO WAY that Chinese University of Hong Kong, or EPFL, or Kyoto University, NUS (Singapore) or McGill are better than the top schools in the US (including SLACs)! The students in these universities want to come to the US for a better education not the other way around.

This is just a list put together to try to be "globally representative" and fails to capture the true academic and educational experience of US universities.

We sent our kids to US schools even though our kids got some of these universities. There is simply no comparison to the educational experience in the US.

There are a few of us international folks on this board, PP, and you're a generation out of date. When I was in school, Asian universities were not well-known in the West. Now their worth has been recognized (they were always pretty good, and have vastly improved recently).

I agree that this list has been compiled with global representation in mind, absolutely. But you're kidding yourself if you believe that most SLACs or state unis will ever be on an international list.

[Anonymous]

The people who are befuddled by this list are clearly complete rubes with only a surface-level awareness of higher Ed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can debate the list but it is a bold move by U.K. government to compete for top talent. While it is getting harder for foreigners graduating US schools to stay legally in US, UK makes it very easy. I have mixed feelings about that. Less competition for my kids on one hand, not good for us in the long run otoh.

It is not a bold move, it means nothing at all. I went to a small SLAC that no one has heard of and got a visa to work in the UK.

This makes it super easy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This list is NONSENSE. I am an immigrant educated in Britain (Oxbridge), with many years in Asia, and there is NO WAY that Chinese University of Hong Kong, or EPFL, or Kyoto University, NUS (Singapore) or McGill are better than the top schools in the US (including SLACs)! The students in these universities want to come to the US for a better education not the other way around.

This is just a list put together to try to be "globally representative" and fails to capture the true academic and educational experience of US universities.

We sent our kids to US schools even though our kids got some of these universities. There is simply no comparison to the educational experience in the US.

There are a few of us international folks on this board, PP, and you're a generation out of date. When I was in school, Asian universities were not well-known in the West. Now their worth has been recognized (they were always pretty good, and have vastly improved recently).

I agree that this list has been compiled with global representation in mind, absolutely. But you're kidding yourself if you believe that most SLACs or state unis will ever be on an international list.

Have you seen the research that's being produced at these international universities?? Volume is not quality. That's the problem with these global rankings. The SLACs are not on any global ranking and that's fine because they are not intended to be research or PhD universities.

By the way, I hire for an international organization and US graduates (PhD programs) trump the graduates from other international universities.

I bet you the UK government will shut this down after 2 years because they will be inundated by students from China, Singapore etc who want to be in the UK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This list is NONSENSE. I am an immigrant educated in Britain (Oxbridge), with many years in Asia, and there is NO WAY that Chinese University of Hong Kong, or EPFL, or Kyoto University, NUS (Singapore) or McGill are better than the top schools in the US (including SLACs)! The students in these universities want to come to the US for a better education not the other way around.

This is just a list put together to try to be "globally representative" and fails to capture the true academic and educational experience of US universities.

We sent our kids to US schools even though our kids got some of these universities. There is simply no comparison to the educational experience in the US.

There are a few of us international folks on this board, PP, and you're a generation out of date. When I was in school, Asian universities were not well-known in the West. Now their worth has been recognized (they were always pretty good, and have vastly improved recently).

I agree that this list has been compiled with global representation in mind, absolutely. But you're kidding yourself if you believe that most SLACs or state unis will ever be on an international list.

The Berkley, UCLA and SD on the list are state of CA schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Ha! No UVA or UMD. Let the wailing and lamentations begin!

You’re an idiot. Go back and learn what the lust us about. And fwiw UVA is the no. 1 university producer of Rhodes Scholars after the Ivies snd the no. 1 of all publics. Ask me how I know.