Daily Beast: Ivy League freshman says rich classmates are frauds, faking first-gen and poverty

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Anonymous wrote:Reminds me of a young rising star politician who went to high school with my niece. In every profile she talks about growing up poor, minority (she's as "dark" as the Kardashians ) and being bullied. She was literally born and raised in a one million dollar home in the wealthiest suburb in their state, her dad was a very influential local figure, she got a brand new Jeep Wrangler for her 16th birthday, and she went to one of the most expensive private colleges in the U.S. It's nuts how rich kids get away with this.

But she's totally working class now, so it's all ok

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Anonymous wrote:Dovetails on Princeton claiming 70% of their freshman class are "non-white" minorities. Rich liars playing the system.

Really! Hate to predict their size of endowment 10 years from now. First gen or URM are not likely to be billionaires after getting their degrees. Who will pay?

Nothing will change because 70% of the incoming class is NOT non-white.

You have proof to back up your claim? The VAST majority of students at top schools are white and Asian so not sure where you’re getting your info from.

I’m the PP— I didn’t make the claim that 70% of the incoming Princeton class is non-white. My point is that if Princeton is making this claim it isn’t true. Many of the kids are lying.

Interesting— if you add the POC percentages reported by Princeton it adds up to 48%, which included Asian Americans. If you add international students it is 60%. Am I missing something!? 70%, hmmm

https://admission.princeton.edu/how-apply/admission-statistics

You are looking at the students who enrolled, not the students who were admitted. Also, the denominator for the percentages you are adding up is all enrolled students in that class, not the proportion fo students who are US citizens of permanent residents.

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Hmm. I think this is just a good argument for doing away with affirmative action and all its associated pretend "diverse admission tactics".

Select on merit, have clear criteria of selection, be transparent.

step 1: White people discriminate against everyone.

step 2: put programs in place to mitigate effects of discrimination

step 3: white people abuse programs created in step 2

step 4: white people call for programs to be abolished

Do I have that right?

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Anonymous wrote:Dovetails on Princeton claiming 70% of their freshman class are "non-white" minorities. Rich liars playing the system.

Really! Hate to predict their size of endowment 10 years from now. First gen or URM are not likely to be billionaires after getting their degrees. Who will pay?

Nothing will change because 70% of the incoming class is NOT non-white.

You have proof to back up your claim? The VAST majority of students at top schools are white and Asian so not sure where you’re getting your info from.

I’m the PP— I didn’t make the claim that 70% of the incoming Princeton class is non-white. My point is that if Princeton is making this claim it isn’t true. Many of the kids are lying.

Interesting— if you add the POC percentages reported by Princeton it adds up to 48%, which included Asian Americans. If you add international students it is 60%. Am I missing something!? 70%, hmmm

https://admission.princeton.edu/how-apply/admission-statistics

You are looking at the students who enrolled, not the students who were admitted. Also, the denominator for the percentages you are adding up is all enrolled students in that class, not students who are US citizens or permanent residents.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a family in which the dad is a plumber and mom is a receptionist. Neither went to college. Dad was very good at his job and eventually bought the company when his boss retired. They are very well off financially, but they have an familiarity at all with the college application process.

I don’t have a problem with their kids qualifying as first generation to go to college because that’s exactly what they are.

Sorry, no familiarity at all

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Anonymous wrote:It is possible to be white, a first-generation college student, an immigrant and have upper-middle income parents all at the same time.

This. Shame on that writer. She's the one being dishonest for personal gain. My kids can't claim any of this stuff, but it's the colleges that set these weird parameters. Students have every right to put down what's true.

She wants a rich kid to put down that her parents went to college when they didn't? No, you don't have to do that. It's absurd.

You seem awfully invested in defending what honest people consider indefensible. Anyone being honest knows the kind of kids these programs are designed to lift up. If you aren’t that kind of kid, or the parent if such a kid, you damn well know it. Defending the behavior displayed by these UMC kids tells us all one thing - you are a cheater too.

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Some people just have no integrity. They do things they know are wrong, or skirting around wrong, for their own self-interest.

My hope is that there is a layer of limbo that they have to suffer through for these actions, but the truth is that they will probably just get more money, opportunities, and jobs because of their lack of morals.

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Anonymous wrote:Dovetails on Princeton claiming 70% of their freshman class are "non-white" minorities. Rich liars playing the system.

Really! Hate to predict their size of endowment 10 years from now. First gen or URM are not likely to be billionaires after getting their degrees. Who will pay?

Nothing will change because 70% of the incoming class is NOT non-white.

You have proof to back up your claim? The VAST majority of students at top schools are white and Asian so not sure where you’re getting your info from.

I’m the PP— I didn’t make the claim that 70% of the incoming Princeton class is non-white. My point is that if Princeton is making this claim it isn’t true. Many of the kids are lying.

Interesting— if you add the POC percentages reported by Princeton it adds up to 48%, which included Asian Americans. If you add international students it is 60%. Am I missing something!? 70%, hmmm

https://admission.princeton.edu/how-apply/admission-statistics

You are looking at the students who enrolled, not the students who were admitted. Also, the denominator for the percentages you are adding up is all enrolled students in that class, not the proportion fo students who are US citizens of permanent residents.

Thanks for the clarification. Still interesting that the enrolled students diversity is significantly lower, especially US URMs is about 16%. Are the getting multiple offers from T20s and spread out amongst enrolled students at top schools or can’t afford it and go to public universities?

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I’ve been teaching in top private schools in the US, UK, and Europe for almost 20 years. I give advice on letters of rec/application packages each year for many students, and yes, it has become increasingly common for students to lie. My privileged students have been trained to identify a financial or psychological obstacle, then embellish, embellish, embellish. Or just make something up.

It is very disheartening. Admin know and will not listen to or support teachers who try to bring this up.

At this point, I consider the letter of rec process to be a creative writing contest.

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…and then we wonder why there are so many crooks running companies, Wall St firms and in top Gov offices.

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Anonymous wrote:Penn brought the Mackenzie Fierceton backlash on themselves with their bizarre definition of ''First-Generation College Student.'' For those unaware, their definition makes any applicant whose parent attended a non-elite college a ''first generation college student.''

Not only that but it’s common practice among colleges across the country to classify students who age out of the foster care system as first gen (reported in the NYer article about MF). So MF’s claim of first gen would be generally accepted at most colleges across the country.

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Anonymous wrote:Dovetails on Princeton claiming 70% of their freshman class are "non-white" minorities. Rich liars playing the system.

Really! Hate to predict their size of endowment 10 years from now. First gen or URM are not likely to be billionaires after getting their degrees. Who will pay?

Nothing will change because 70% of the incoming class is NOT non-white.

You have proof to back up your claim? The VAST majority of students at top schools are white and Asian so not sure where you’re getting your info from.

I’m the PP— I didn’t make the claim that 70% of the incoming Princeton class is non-white. My point is that if Princeton is making this claim it isn’t true. Many of the kids are lying.

Interesting— if you add the POC percentages reported by Princeton it adds up to 48%, which included Asian Americans. If you add international students it is 60%. Am I missing something!? 70%, hmmm

https://admission.princeton.edu/how-apply/admission-statistics

You are looking at the students who enrolled, not the students who were admitted. Also, the denominator for the percentages you are adding up is all enrolled students in that class, not the proportion fo students who are US citizens of permanent residents.

Thanks for the clarification. Still interesting that the enrolled students diversity is significantly lower, especially US URMs is about 16%. Are the getting multiple offers from T20s and spread out amongst enrolled students at top schools or can’t afford it and go to public universities?

These schools are very motivated to enroll top students who are also URM or first-gen; it would not be surprising to see many such students getting multiple offers.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve been teaching in top private schools in the US, UK, and Europe for almost 20 years. I give advice on letters of rec/application packages each year for many students, and yes, it has become increasingly common for students to lie. My privileged students have been trained to identify a financial or psychological obstacle, then embellish, embellish, embellish. Or just make something up.

It is very disheartening. Admin know and will not listen to or support teachers who try to bring this up.

At this point, I consider the letter of rec process to be a creative writing contest.

One of the ironic things about UPenn’s investigation and punishment of MF is that one of their own staff members told her that if it is uncertain, they generally advise students to use the designation that will get them the most financial aid. But Penn took no responsibility for their own staff. Pretty hypocritical of them.

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Anonymous wrote:It is possible to be white, a first-generation college student, an immigrant and have upper-middle income parents all at the same time.

This. Shame on that writer. She's the one being dishonest for personal gain. My kids can't claim any of this stuff, but it's the colleges that set these weird parameters. Students have every right to put down what's true.

She wants a rich kid to put down that her parents went to college when they didn't? No, you don't have to do that. It's absurd.

You seem awfully invested in defending what honest people consider indefensible. Anyone being honest knows the kind of kids these programs are designed to lift up. If you aren’t that kind of kid, or the parent if such a kid, you damn well know it. Defending the behavior displayed by these UMC kids tells us all one thing - you are a cheater too.

+1. This hostile language sounds just like the Penn fraud's defenders who are cyber-bullying this young minority writer on social media.

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Anonymous wrote:…and then we wonder why there are so many crooks running companies, Wall St firms and in top Gov offices.

This. 100%. Most people who cheat and committ fraud start don’t get caught. I mean my DCs tell all kinds of stories about kids cheating on tests and projects. They rarely get caught and when they don’t get caught they keep doing it. It’s how we end up with all the crooks at the top of our businesses, governments, law enforcement, etc…