Daily Beast: Ivy League freshman says rich classmates are frauds, faking first-gen and poverty

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's no checking on ANYTHING. Students could put anything on the app; unless a counselor or teacher rec writes something that rats them out.

I'm not bitter, DS got in to some great schools and is happy with his final choice. But it is interesting that you could put most anything on the app.

+1. Clubs, awards, captain of ___, president of ___, founded ___... first-generation, bi-racial, grew up poor... none of that is verified.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is possible to be white, a first-generation college student, an immigrant and have upper-middle income parents all at the same time.

Correct.

And somehow there are enough of these kids to fill out elite campuses across the country

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A friend told me that they are multimillionaires, but somehow their DC is on “full scholarship” at a non-merit granting T10 institution. I was like, “they gave merit?” And their answer was vaguely not saying anything. Not sure how they did it.

Likely financial aid scamming by hiding assets, divorce and/or pretending the teen is independent.

It's actually extremely hard to well nigh impossible to do this, unless you have also hidden information from the IRS. I know - I looked into this for our family
Since I disclosed everything to the IRS, and don't want to be audited, I can't fudge anything on college and financial aid applications.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A friend told me that they are multimillionaires, but somehow their DC is on “full scholarship” at a non-merit granting T10 institution. I was like, “they gave merit?” And their answer was vaguely not saying anything. Not sure how they did it.

Likely financial aid scamming by hiding assets, divorce and/or pretending the teen is independent.

Just like taxes, it's easy look poor if you are rich enough to be able to manipulate how your assets are held and how your income is distributed

Yep. And they only have to "get everything in order" the year prior to college. So scummy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is possible to be white, a first-generation college student, an immigrant and have upper-middle income parents all at the same time.

Correct.

And somehow there are enough of these kids to fill out elite campuses across the country

Because of lot of them are lying. The point is, please don't assume ALL of them are lying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dovetails on Princeton claiming 70% of their freshman class are "non-white" minorities. Rich liars playing the system.

Really! Hate to predict their size of endowment 10 years from now. First gen or URM are not likely to be billionaires after getting their degrees. Who will pay?

Nothing will change because 70% of the incoming class is NOT non-white.

You have proof to back up your claim? The VAST majority of students at top schools are white and Asian so not sure where you’re getting your info from.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dovetails on Princeton claiming 70% of their freshman class are "non-white" minorities. Rich liars playing the system.

Good way to get thrown out of school.

The shameless pathological liars never get caught or punished and they never admit they're lying. See what the Brown gal wrote:

For a program initially constructed to provide resources for under-served people of color, the program consisted of a shockingly high number of wealthy, white, legacy students who presented me with the most outlandish understandings of identity I had ever heard. One boy told me that he was first-generation because his mother went to college outside of the U.S. His mother went to Oxford. Another girl told me that she was low-income because her dad makes $400,000 a year, and that’s “New York poor.” Each time another student offered ill-considered remarks on their background, I remember standing in front of them, eyebrows up and jaw dropped, thankful for the mask hiding my complete and utter disbelief. It was almost like clockwork: meet new classmate, ask about new classmate’s background, find out new classmate fails to comprehend or acknowledge their privilege, freak out, move on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A friend told me that they are multimillionaires, but somehow their DC is on “full scholarship” at a non-merit granting T10 institution. I was like, “they gave merit?” And their answer was vaguely not saying anything. Not sure how they did it.

Likely financial aid scamming by hiding assets, divorce and/or pretending the teen is independent.

It's actually extremely hard to well nigh impossible to do this, unless you have also hidden information from the IRS. I know - I looked into this for our family
Since I disclosed everything to the IRS, and don't want to be audited, I can't fudge anything on college and financial aid applications.

Over multiple years, sure. But for 1 year (which is all colleges care about), it's possible to have zero income and pay no taxes (Musk, Bloomberg, and Bezos have all had years like this). Depending on how other assets are held it's also possible to truthfully fill out the CSS and still look poor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dovetails on Princeton claiming 70% of their freshman class are "non-white" minorities. Rich liars playing the system.

Good way to get thrown out of school.

The shameless pathological liars never get caught or punished and they never admit they're lying. See what the Brown gal wrote:

For a program initially constructed to provide resources for under-served people of color, the program consisted of a shockingly high number of wealthy, white, legacy students who presented me with the most outlandish understandings of identity I had ever heard. One boy told me that he was first-generation because his mother went to college outside of the U.S. His mother went to Oxford. Another girl told me that she was low-income because her dad makes $400,000 a year, and that’s “New York poor.” Each time another student offered ill-considered remarks on their background, I remember standing in front of them, eyebrows up and jaw dropped, thankful for the mask hiding my complete and utter disbelief. It was almost like clockwork: meet new classmate, ask about new classmate’s background, find out new classmate fails to comprehend or acknowledge their privilege, freak out, move on.

Because the colleges are too scared to ask direct questions with defined terms. They choose to be fuzzy and then wonder why people take advantage of their own questions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is possible to be white, a first-generation college student, an immigrant and have upper-middle income parents all at the same time.

This. Shame on that writer. She's the one being dishonest for personal gain. My kids can't claim any of this stuff, but it's the colleges that set these weird parameters. Students have every right to put down what's true.

She wants a rich kid to put down that her parents went to college when they didn't? No, you don't have to do that. It's absurd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dovetails on Princeton claiming 70% of their freshman class are "non-white" minorities. Rich liars playing the system.

Really! Hate to predict their size of endowment 10 years from now. First gen or URM are not likely to be billionaires after getting their degrees. Who will pay?

Nothing will change because 70% of the incoming class is NOT non-white.

You have proof to back up your claim? The VAST majority of students at top schools are white and Asian so not sure where you’re getting your info from.

I’m the PP— I didn’t make the claim that 70% of the incoming Princeton class is non-white. My point is that if Princeton is making this claim it isn’t true. Many of the kids are lying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dovetails on Princeton claiming 70% of their freshman class are "non-white" minorities. Rich liars playing the system.

Really! Hate to predict their size of endowment 10 years from now. First gen or URM are not likely to be billionaires after getting their degrees. Who will pay?

Nothing will change because 70% of the incoming class is NOT non-white.

You have proof to back up your claim? The VAST majority of students at top schools are white and Asian so not sure where you’re getting your info from.

I’m the PP— I didn’t make the claim that 70% of the incoming Princeton class is non-white. My point is that if Princeton is making this claim it isn’t true. Many of the kids are lying.

[Anonymous]

It’s no secret that a lot of over-achievers succeed by cheating and hurting others. Look at how many sociopathic people in politics have Ivy degrees. These competitive schools need to do a MUCH better job at weeding out selfish win-at-all-costs personalities. These kids don’t start lying on their college applications, they start earlier to get that perfect application. Like buying the team alcohol to be voted captain, inflating volunteer hours, and making up awards, for example.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s no secret that a lot of over-achievers succeed by cheating and hurting others. Look at how many sociopathic people in politics have Ivy degrees. These competitive schools need to do a MUCH better job at weeding out selfish win-at-all-costs personalities. These kids don’t start lying on their college applications, they start earlier to get that perfect application. Like buying the team alcohol to be voted captain, inflating volunteer hours, and making up awards, for example.

You're assuming that the schools don't want these kinds of kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dovetails on Princeton claiming 70% of their freshman class are "non-white" minorities. Rich liars playing the system.

Really! Hate to predict their size of endowment 10 years from now. First gen or URM are not likely to be billionaires after getting their degrees. Who will pay?

You sure about that? A lot of tech billionaires are first generation.