alley cat question

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The OP wanted a quick practical solution that wasn't going to result in conflict with her neighbors not a pointless debate over who owns feral cats,whether they should exist at all and whether or not she should pay to protect her personal property. The three that have been offered are predator urine, air sprayers and water sprinklers. Anybody got anything else?

Why is this OP’s problem? Why aren’t the TNR people providing air sprinklers and sprayers (no thanks to the wolf urine) to the neighbors around their managed colonies?

Because if we lived in a world where everyone took care of everyone else, this whole problem would be nonexistent. Any further advice?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The OP wanted a quick practical solution that wasn't going to result in conflict with her neighbors not a pointless debate over who owns feral cats,whether they should exist at all and whether or not she should pay to protect her personal property. The three that have been offered are predator urine, air sprayers and water sprinklers. Anybody got anything else?

Why is this OP’s problem? Why aren’t the TNR people providing air sprinklers and sprayers (no thanks to the wolf urine) to the neighbors around their managed colonies?

Because if we lived in a world where everyone took care of everyone else, this whole problem would be nonexistent. Any further advice?

Sounds like a problem for animal control. But really, this is the definition of “negative externality,” where somebody wrecks things for their neighbor—think pollution or loud music—and tries to avoid consequences.

[Anonymous]

Crazy cat ladies strike again. And now it’s OP’s problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The OP wanted a quick practical solution that wasn't going to result in conflict with her neighbors not a pointless debate over who owns feral cats,whether they should exist at all and whether or not she should pay to protect her personal property. The three that have been offered are predator urine, air sprayers and water sprinklers. Anybody got anything else?

Why is this OP’s problem? Why aren’t the TNR people providing air sprinklers and sprayers (no thanks to the wolf urine) to the neighbors around their managed colonies?

Because if we lived in a world where everyone took care of everyone else, this whole problem would be nonexistent. Any further advice?

You really keep trying to miss the point, don’t you. It’s not about “taking care” of your neighbor. It’s about not actively hurting your neighbor, with your pooping cat.

Any further “wisdom”?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We had a free roaming cat that brought several families mice. When we moved we would get calls to make sure he was ok. He lives indoors now, but if our neighborhood allowed it he’d be outside. Not on topic but another viewpoint. He was once an alley cat - I adopted him once he asked to be a pet.

Adopting cats is great. Letting them roam free is not.

The cost of those families of mice is several other small mammals, fledglings and birds a week. And, read the Wikipedia link—cats really aren’t effective at rodent control. Better to get a mousetrap.

And that’s without getting into toxoplasmosis and the annoyance to your neighbors.

No. Wikipedia is not a valid resource. Your cat hyper vigilance is manic.

The Wikipedia links to peer-reviewed studies. Cats are pretty useless as rodent control.

What’s manic is the TNR people and lazy cat owners who think fluffy has a right to poop on my lawn and kill the birds at my feeder. Nobody would accept this from dogs. You people need to be called out.

This is so angry and weird. No one acts that way and you can’t read minds. Stop.

You seem thick. 🤔 literally these wild cats have no owners. They don't have names like fluffy either. Do you get mad at birds who poop on your car???

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The OP wanted a quick practical solution that wasn't going to result in conflict with her neighbors not a pointless debate over who owns feral cats,whether they should exist at all and whether or not she should pay to protect her personal property. The three that have been offered are predator urine, air sprayers and water sprinklers. Anybody got anything else?

Why is this OP’s problem? Why aren’t the TNR people providing air sprinklers and sprayers (no thanks to the wolf urine) to the neighbors around their managed colonies?

Because if we lived in a world where everyone took care of everyone else, this whole problem would be nonexistent. Any further advice?

You really keep trying to miss the point, don’t you. It’s not about “taking care” of your neighbor. It’s about not actively hurting your neighbor, with your pooping cat.

Any further “wisdom”?

Well, you certainly haven't got any to offer. Nobody cares how it should be or that you want to stomp and spit and cry that someone else should take care of it. OP needs a real world solution and you have nothing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We had a free roaming cat that brought several families mice. When we moved we would get calls to make sure he was ok. He lives indoors now, but if our neighborhood allowed it he’d be outside. Not on topic but another viewpoint. He was once an alley cat - I adopted him once he asked to be a pet.

Adopting cats is great. Letting them roam free is not.

The cost of those families of mice is several other small mammals, fledglings and birds a week. And, read the Wikipedia link—cats really aren’t effective at rodent control. Better to get a mousetrap.

And that’s without getting into toxoplasmosis and the annoyance to your neighbors.

No. Wikipedia is not a valid resource. Your cat hyper vigilance is manic.

The Wikipedia links to peer-reviewed studies. Cats are pretty useless as rodent control.

What’s manic is the TNR people and lazy cat owners who think fluffy has a right to poop on my lawn and kill the birds at my feeder. Nobody would accept this from dogs. You people need to be called out.

This is so angry and weird. No one acts that way and you can’t read minds. Stop.

You seem thick. 🤔 literally these wild cats have no owners. They don't have names like fluffy either. Do you get mad at birds who poop on your car???

Ad hominems aren’t going to help you here, and they just make you look childish. Or like a crazy cat lady.

TNR advocates love to say the cats have no owners when they’re causing problems. Yet you guys are the reason these colonies exist, because you give them daily food and medical care when they need it (and when you can catch them). Most studies treat colony cats as “owned” for this very reason. You can’t have it both ways—that’s just dishonest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The OP wanted a quick practical solution that wasn't going to result in conflict with her neighbors not a pointless debate over who owns feral cats,whether they should exist at all and whether or not she should pay to protect her personal property. The three that have been offered are predator urine, air sprayers and water sprinklers. Anybody got anything else?

Why is this OP’s problem? Why aren’t the TNR people providing air sprinklers and sprayers (no thanks to the wolf urine) to the neighbors around their managed colonies?

Because if we lived in a world where everyone took care of everyone else, this whole problem would be nonexistent. Any further advice?

You really keep trying to miss the point, don’t you. It’s not about “taking care” of your neighbor. It’s about not actively hurting your neighbor, with your pooping cat.

Any further “wisdom”?

Well, you certainly haven't got any to offer. Nobody cares how it should be or that you want to stomp and spit and cry that someone else should take care of it. OP needs a real world solution and you have nothing.

There’s an obvious solution that you just don’t want to see, Karen. Stop TNR and cat colonies. They’re horrible for the ecosystem and horrible for the neighbors.

All your name calling doesn’t change any of these facts.

[Anonymous]

Here’s the obvious solution: the crazy cat lady with the colony near OP needs to be shut down. Undoubtedly her cats are annoying more people than just OP.

[Anonymous]

Could someone share what a tnr is? The person frothing about that is being confusing and seems to think there is an agenda involved with respondents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s the obvious solution: the crazy cat lady with the colony near OP needs to be shut down. Undoubtedly her cats are annoying more people than just OP.

Perhaps op could yknow, talk to their neighbor about it ? Feeding a stray doesn’t make you crazy. This person may be entirely unaware of what’s going on past that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Could someone share what a tnr is? The person frothing about that is being confusing and seems to think there is an agenda involved with respondents.

Trap-neuter-release. Generally promoted as a non-lethal solution for feral cats. Usually cats are vaccinated when they are trapped and ear tip is cut to mark them. I don't have any opinion one way or the other about it, but the direction this discussion has gone in is not useful to the OP or anyone really.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone share what a tnr is? The person frothing about that is being confusing and seems to think there is an agenda involved with respondents.

Trap-neuter-release. Generally promoted as a non-lethal solution for feral cats. Usually cats are vaccinated when they are trapped and ear tip is cut to mark them. I don't have any opinion one way or the other about it, but the direction this discussion has gone in is not useful to the OP or anyone really.

Thank you. Also, agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could someone share what a tnr is? The person frothing about that is being confusing and seems to think there is an agenda involved with respondents.

Trap-neuter-release. Generally promoted as a non-lethal solution for feral cats. Usually cats are vaccinated when they are trapped and ear tip is cut to mark them. I don't have any opinion one way or the other about it, but the direction this discussion has gone in is not useful to the OP or anyone really.

TNR has been shown not to work. You need to vaccinate 80% or more of the cats to see any reduction in population, and that’s almost impossible to reach. TNR advocates like to cite the 1-2 examples where it worked, but those are a tiny minority.

Usually TNR colonies just continue to grow.

Meanwhile, TNR is environmentally disastrous and annoying to the neighbors. It’s not a solution.

[Anonymous]

OP needs to talk to her neighbor who is feeding the cats and get her to stop. If the neighbor doesn’t stop, the poop problem continues.