alley cat question

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The OP wanted a quick practical solution that wasn't going to result in conflict with her neighbors not a pointless debate over who owns feral cats,whether they should exist at all and whether or not she should pay to protect her personal property. The three that have been offered are predator urine, air sprayers and water sprinklers. Anybody got anything else?

Why is this OP’s problem? Why aren’t the TNR people providing air sprinklers and sprayers (no thanks to the wolf urine) to the neighbors around their managed colonies?

Because if we lived in a world where everyone took care of everyone else, this whole problem would be nonexistent. Any further advice?

You really keep trying to miss the point, don’t you. It’s not about “taking care” of your neighbor. It’s about not actively hurting your neighbor, with your pooping cat.

Any further “wisdom”?

Well, you certainly haven't got any to offer. Nobody cares how it should be or that you want to stomp and spit and cry that someone else should take care of it. OP needs a real world solution and you have nothing.

You must have missed it. The solution is the OP’s neighbor to stop feeding feral cats. Not for everybody else to fill their lawns with anti-cat gadgets and wolf pee.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone share what a tnr is? The person frothing about that is being confusing and seems to think there is an agenda involved with respondents.

Trap-neuter-release. Generally promoted as a non-lethal solution for feral cats. Usually cats are vaccinated when they are trapped and ear tip is cut to mark them. I don't have any opinion one way or the other about it, but the direction this discussion has gone in is not useful to the OP or anyone really.

TNR has been shown not to work. You need to vaccinate 80% or more of the cats to see any reduction in population, and that’s almost impossible to reach. TNR advocates like to cite the 1-2 examples where it worked, but those are a tiny minority.

Usually TNR colonies just continue to grow.

Meanwhile, TNR is environmentally disastrous and annoying to the neighbors. It’s not a solution.

+100. Whoever is pushing TNR needs to stop. TNR is totally inhumane to the billion + mammals and birds these cats kill every year. It’s an ecological nightmare and totally indefensible.

For the same reason, OP’s neighbor needs to stop feeding feral cats. That’s the only neighborly solution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could someone share what a tnr is? The person frothing about that is being confusing and seems to think there is an agenda involved with respondents.

Trap-neuter-release. Generally promoted as a non-lethal solution for feral cats. Usually cats are vaccinated when they are trapped and ear tip is cut to mark them. I don't have any opinion one way or the other about it, but the direction this discussion has gone in is not useful to the OP or anyone really.

TNR has been shown not to work. You need to vaccinate 80% or more of the cats to see any reduction in population, and that’s almost impossible to reach. TNR advocates like to cite the 1-2 examples where it worked, but those are a tiny minority.

Usually TNR colonies just continue to grow.

Meanwhile, TNR is environmentally disastrous and annoying to the neighbors. It’s not a solution.

+100. Whoever is pushing TNR needs to stop. TNR is totally inhumane to the billion + mammals and birds these cats kill every year. It’s an ecological nightmare and totally indefensible.

For the same reason, OP’s neighbor needs to stop feeding feral cats. That’s the only neighborly solution.

There was a woman in our old neighborhood who would feed feral cats and she was a total B about it. She would set out food and water on our condo parking area and argue with residents about it. We thought she actually lived in the area on the same alley but it turns out she lived like ten blocks north and just biked down to randomly feed cats in a different neighborhood. We banded together to confront her every time she came down and then would immediately dump the food and water if she managed to leave it. She started coming at different times so we literally had to get a trespass notice against her and she finally stopped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could someone share what a tnr is? The person frothing about that is being confusing and seems to think there is an agenda involved with respondents.

Trap-neuter-release. Generally promoted as a non-lethal solution for feral cats. Usually cats are vaccinated when they are trapped and ear tip is cut to mark them. I don't have any opinion one way or the other about it, but the direction this discussion has gone in is not useful to the OP or anyone really.

TNR has been shown not to work. You need to vaccinate 80% or more of the cats to see any reduction in population, and that’s almost impossible to reach. TNR advocates like to cite the 1-2 examples where it worked, but those are a tiny minority.

Usually TNR colonies just continue to grow.

Meanwhile, TNR is environmentally disastrous and annoying to the neighbors. It’s not a solution.

+100. Whoever is pushing TNR needs to stop. TNR is totally inhumane to the billion + mammals and birds these cats kill every year. It’s an ecological nightmare and totally indefensible.

For the same reason, OP’s neighbor needs to stop feeding feral cats. That’s the only neighborly solution.

There was a woman in our old neighborhood who would feed feral cats and she was a total B about it. She would set out food and water on our condo parking area and argue with residents about it. We thought she actually lived in the area on the same alley but it turns out she lived like ten blocks north and just biked down to randomly feed cats in a different neighborhood. We banded together to confront her every time she came down and then would immediately dump the food and water if she managed to leave it. She started coming at different times so we literally had to get a trespass notice against her and she finally stopped.

Sounds like she didn’t want feral cats in her own neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could someone share what a tnr is? The person frothing about that is being confusing and seems to think there is an agenda involved with respondents.

Trap-neuter-release. Generally promoted as a non-lethal solution for feral cats. Usually cats are vaccinated when they are trapped and ear tip is cut to mark them. I don't have any opinion one way or the other about it, but the direction this discussion has gone in is not useful to the OP or anyone really.

TNR has been shown not to work. You need to vaccinate 80% or more of the cats to see any reduction in population, and that’s almost impossible to reach. TNR advocates like to cite the 1-2 examples where it worked, but those are a tiny minority.

Usually TNR colonies just continue to grow.

Meanwhile, TNR is environmentally disastrous and annoying to the neighbors. It’s not a solution.

+100. Whoever is pushing TNR needs to stop. TNR is totally inhumane to the billion + mammals and birds these cats kill every year. It’s an ecological nightmare and totally indefensible.

For the same reason, OP’s neighbor needs to stop feeding feral cats. That’s the only neighborly solution.

Which means….have a conversation with your neighbor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could someone share what a tnr is? The person frothing about that is being confusing and seems to think there is an agenda involved with respondents.

Trap-neuter-release. Generally promoted as a non-lethal solution for feral cats. Usually cats are vaccinated when they are trapped and ear tip is cut to mark them. I don't have any opinion one way or the other about it, but the direction this discussion has gone in is not useful to the OP or anyone really.

TNR has been shown not to work. You need to vaccinate 80% or more of the cats to see any reduction in population, and that’s almost impossible to reach. TNR advocates like to cite the 1-2 examples where it worked, but those are a tiny minority.

Usually TNR colonies just continue to grow.

Meanwhile, TNR is environmentally disastrous and annoying to the neighbors. It’s not a solution.

+100. Whoever is pushing TNR needs to stop. TNR is totally inhumane to the billion + mammals and birds these cats kill every year. It’s an ecological nightmare and totally indefensible.

For the same reason, OP’s neighbor needs to stop feeding feral cats. That’s the only neighborly solution.

Which means….have a conversation with your neighbor.

And if the neighbor says no? Get a trespass notice against her?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could someone share what a tnr is? The person frothing about that is being confusing and seems to think there is an agenda involved with respondents.

Trap-neuter-release. Generally promoted as a non-lethal solution for feral cats. Usually cats are vaccinated when they are trapped and ear tip is cut to mark them. I don't have any opinion one way or the other about it, but the direction this discussion has gone in is not useful to the OP or anyone really.

TNR has been shown not to work. You need to vaccinate 80% or more of the cats to see any reduction in population, and that’s almost impossible to reach. TNR advocates like to cite the 1-2 examples where it worked, but those are a tiny minority.

Usually TNR colonies just continue to grow.

Meanwhile, TNR is environmentally disastrous and annoying to the neighbors. It’s not a solution.

+100. Whoever is pushing TNR needs to stop. TNR is totally inhumane to the billion + mammals and birds these cats kill every year. It’s an ecological nightmare and totally indefensible.

For the same reason, OP’s neighbor needs to stop feeding feral cats. That’s the only neighborly solution.

Which means….have a conversation with your neighbor.

And if the neighbor says no? Get a trespass notice against her?

TNR cats are legally protected as wild animals

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could someone share what a tnr is? The person frothing about that is being confusing and seems to think there is an agenda involved with respondents.

Trap-neuter-release. Generally promoted as a non-lethal solution for feral cats. Usually cats are vaccinated when they are trapped and ear tip is cut to mark them. I don't have any opinion one way or the other about it, but the direction this discussion has gone in is not useful to the OP or anyone really.

TNR has been shown not to work. You need to vaccinate 80% or more of the cats to see any reduction in population, and that’s almost impossible to reach. TNR advocates like to cite the 1-2 examples where it worked, but those are a tiny minority.

Usually TNR colonies just continue to grow.

Meanwhile, TNR is environmentally disastrous and annoying to the neighbors. It’s not a solution.

+100. Whoever is pushing TNR needs to stop. TNR is totally inhumane to the billion + mammals and birds these cats kill every year. It’s an ecological nightmare and totally indefensible.

For the same reason, OP’s neighbor needs to stop feeding feral cats. That’s the only neighborly solution.

Which means….have a conversation with your neighbor.

And if the neighbor says no? Get a trespass notice against her?

TNR cats are legally protected as wild animals

Under what law? They’re not native, so lots of federal laws don’t cover them. Colony managers are probably liable for “incidental takes” of native birds and mammals under the Migratory Bird Act or the Endangered Species Act. Public nuisance laws obviously also apply.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could someone share what a tnr is? The person frothing about that is being confusing and seems to think there is an agenda involved with respondents.

Trap-neuter-release. Generally promoted as a non-lethal solution for feral cats. Usually cats are vaccinated when they are trapped and ear tip is cut to mark them. I don't have any opinion one way or the other about it, but the direction this discussion has gone in is not useful to the OP or anyone really.

TNR has been shown not to work. You need to vaccinate 80% or more of the cats to see any reduction in population, and that’s almost impossible to reach. TNR advocates like to cite the 1-2 examples where it worked, but those are a tiny minority.

Usually TNR colonies just continue to grow.

Meanwhile, TNR is environmentally disastrous and annoying to the neighbors. It’s not a solution.

+100. Whoever is pushing TNR needs to stop. TNR is totally inhumane to the billion + mammals and birds these cats kill every year. It’s an ecological nightmare and totally indefensible.

For the same reason, OP’s neighbor needs to stop feeding feral cats. That’s the only neighborly solution.

Which means….have a conversation with your neighbor.

And if the neighbor says no? Get a trespass notice against her?

TNR cats are legally protected as wild animals

Under what law? They’re not native, so lots of federal laws don’t cover them. Colony managers are probably liable for “incidental takes” of native birds and mammals under the Migratory Bird Act or the Endangered Species Act. Public nuisance laws obviously also apply.

Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918. Thank Teddy Roosevelt.

[Anonymous]

Cat poop carries toxoplasmosis which has been strongly linked to schizophrenia. OP, you really don’t want that in your backyard.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29068607/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Cat poop carries toxoplasmosis which has been strongly linked to schizophrenia. OP, you really don’t want that in your backyard.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29068607/

And... dog poop which is literally everywhere, is more than strongly linked to MRSA and toxocariasis causing blindness in humans. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3564131/
Nobody wants animals waste in their backyard, or on their children's playground or sports field, which is why TNR programs exist to reduce the outdoor cat population and why every cat adoption organization has you sign a contract agreeing to keep the animal outside. And why leash laws exist and schools playgrounds are off-limits to dogs, even though dog owners flout them. I'm sorry OP is dealing with this unwelcome situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could someone share what a tnr is? The person frothing about that is being confusing and seems to think there is an agenda involved with respondents.

Trap-neuter-release. Generally promoted as a non-lethal solution for feral cats. Usually cats are vaccinated when they are trapped and ear tip is cut to mark them. I don't have any opinion one way or the other about it, but the direction this discussion has gone in is not useful to the OP or anyone really.

TNR has been shown not to work. You need to vaccinate 80% or more of the cats to see any reduction in population, and that’s almost impossible to reach. TNR advocates like to cite the 1-2 examples where it worked, but those are a tiny minority.

Usually TNR colonies just continue to grow.

Meanwhile, TNR is environmentally disastrous and annoying to the neighbors. It’s not a solution.

+100. Whoever is pushing TNR needs to stop. TNR is totally inhumane to the billion + mammals and birds these cats kill every year. It’s an ecological nightmare and totally indefensible.

For the same reason, OP’s neighbor needs to stop feeding feral cats. That’s the only neighborly solution.

Which means….have a conversation with your neighbor.

And if the neighbor says no? Get a trespass notice against her?

Then you’d prob need to call animal control. And likely spray the hose. Is it fair? No. But it might be the only step you can take. It works in time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cat poop carries toxoplasmosis which has been strongly linked to schizophrenia. OP, you really don’t want that in your backyard.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29068607/

And... dog poop which is literally everywhere, is more than strongly linked to MRSA and toxocariasis causing blindness in humans. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3564131/
Nobody wants animals waste in their backyard, or on their children's playground or sports field, which is why TNR programs exist to reduce the outdoor cat population and why every cat adoption organization has you sign a contract agreeing to keep the animal outside. And why leash laws exist and schools playgrounds are off-limits to dogs, even though dog owners flout them. I'm sorry OP is dealing with this unwelcome situation.

TNR is totally ineffective at reducing cat populations. You need to sterilize 80% of the cats to start seeing a population reduction, but usually it’s more like 20-30%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could someone share what a tnr is? The person frothing about that is being confusing and seems to think there is an agenda involved with respondents.

Trap-neuter-release. Generally promoted as a non-lethal solution for feral cats. Usually cats are vaccinated when they are trapped and ear tip is cut to mark them. I don't have any opinion one way or the other about it, but the direction this discussion has gone in is not useful to the OP or anyone really.

TNR has been shown not to work. You need to vaccinate 80% or more of the cats to see any reduction in population, and that’s almost impossible to reach. TNR advocates like to cite the 1-2 examples where it worked, but those are a tiny minority.

Usually TNR colonies just continue to grow.

Meanwhile, TNR is environmentally disastrous and annoying to the neighbors. It’s not a solution.

+100. Whoever is pushing TNR needs to stop. TNR is totally inhumane to the billion + mammals and birds these cats kill every year. It’s an ecological nightmare and totally indefensible.

For the same reason, OP’s neighbor needs to stop feeding feral cats. That’s the only neighborly solution.

Which means….have a conversation with your neighbor.

And if the neighbor says no? Get a trespass notice against her?

Then you’d prob need to call animal control. And likely spray the hose. Is it fair? No. But it might be the only step you can take. It works in time.

Animal control will laugh at you and say it's the cycle of life ma'am.
Animal control administers the TNR program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could someone share what a tnr is? The person frothing about that is being confusing and seems to think there is an agenda involved with respondents.

Trap-neuter-release. Generally promoted as a non-lethal solution for feral cats. Usually cats are vaccinated when they are trapped and ear tip is cut to mark them. I don't have any opinion one way or the other about it, but the direction this discussion has gone in is not useful to the OP or anyone really.

TNR has been shown not to work. You need to vaccinate 80% or more of the cats to see any reduction in population, and that’s almost impossible to reach. TNR advocates like to cite the 1-2 examples where it worked, but those are a tiny minority.

Usually TNR colonies just continue to grow.

Meanwhile, TNR is environmentally disastrous and annoying to the neighbors. It’s not a solution.

+100. Whoever is pushing TNR needs to stop. TNR is totally inhumane to the billion + mammals and birds these cats kill every year. It’s an ecological nightmare and totally indefensible.

For the same reason, OP’s neighbor needs to stop feeding feral cats. That’s the only neighborly solution.

Which means….have a conversation with your neighbor.

And if the neighbor says no? Get a trespass notice against her?

Then you’d prob need to call animal control. And likely spray the hose. Is it fair? No. But it might be the only step you can take. It works in time.

Animal control will laugh at you and say it's the cycle of life ma'am.
Animal control administers the TNR program.

Not where I live they don’t.

Anyway, if your cat(s) are creating a nuisance, you betcha animal control will listen. They don’t just serve cat people, and it’s arrogant to think they do. You sound like a TNR person laughing at people who have to deal with your cats pooping and maybe causing schizophrenia.