How are you talking about Russia’s war in Ukraine with your tween/ teen?

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Anonymous wrote:I found some good articles with brief modern history of Russia and geography that are contributing to Putin’s violent invasion of a sovereign country of 40 million people under the pretext of protecting Russia (NATO is a defense alliance not an aggressive military alliance) and “liberating” Ukraine from democracy.

The level of misinformation/ propaganda online, largely sponsored by the Kremlin, is frightening.

What resources are you using to discuss this dark hour in European history?

NATO has invaded numerous countries. Please don't lie to your children.

That is ridiculous … they are a defense alliance and have never perpetuated unjustified and premeditated aggression in the way Russia is doing …

Name one NATO led invasion. Oh wait, you can’t as it has never happened …

Ok, off the top of my head, Syria, Lybia, Iraq, Bosnia/Yugoslavia... In your mind, those were justified, but in Putin's mind this one is justified, so that is pretty much in the eye of the invader, so to speak.

NATO has not invaded any of those countries.

You do realize that enforcing no fly zones, providing relief efforts and anti piracy measures to protect NATO member countries threatened by other countries are in no way equivalent to unprovoked invasions/ imperial land grabs from sovereign democratic countries dressed up as self defense and social cohesion exercises?

Although the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) was present throughout the Cold War as the opposite to the Warsaw Pact, and conducted joint military exercises, no military operations took place

The organization now plays a prominent role in Afghanistan after the September 11 attacks in the United States invoked Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty which deemed the attacks to be an external attack on all NATO members under the idea of collective defense. Aside from continuing efforts in Afghanistan NATO has participated in a wide range of roles including relief effort, counter-piracy, enforcing no-fly zones and naval blockades.

those euphemisms might work for your power point presentations, but reality is that, in the past 20+ years, NATO has killed (bombed, starved etc) hundreds of thousands of people, many of them civilians. this, in addition to destroying tends of billions of dollar of infrastructure and creating political instability in numerous countries. that is what NATO is.

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Anonymous wrote:My kids are in AP world history and AP euro, respectively, and neither teacher has even mentioned this much less encouraged discussion. Thank you, MCPS rote learning!

The history teacher at DD’s private distributed educational materials around the Russian invasion of Ukraine and they are discussing at school.

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Anonymous wrote:I found some good articles with brief modern history of Russia and geography that are contributing to Putin’s violent invasion of a sovereign country of 40 million people under the pretext of protecting Russia (NATO is a defense alliance not an aggressive military alliance) and “liberating” Ukraine from democracy.

The level of misinformation/ propaganda online, largely sponsored by the Kremlin, is frightening.

What resources are you using to discuss this dark hour in European history?

NATO has invaded numerous countries. Please don't lie to your children.

That is ridiculous … they are a defense alliance and have never perpetuated unjustified and premeditated aggression in the way Russia is doing …

Name one NATO led invasion. Oh wait, you can’t as it has never happened …

Ok, off the top of my head, Syria, Lybia, Iraq, Bosnia/Yugoslavia... In your mind, those were justified, but in Putin's mind this one is justified, so that is pretty much in the eye of the invader, so to speak.

NATO has not invaded any of those countries.

You do realize that enforcing no fly zones, providing relief efforts and anti piracy measures to protect NATO member countries threatened by other countries are in no way equivalent to unprovoked invasions/ imperial land grabs from sovereign democratic countries dressed up as self defense and social cohesion exercises?

Although the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) was present throughout the Cold War as the opposite to the Warsaw Pact, and conducted joint military exercises, no military operations took place

The organization now plays a prominent role in Afghanistan after the September 11 attacks in the United States invoked Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty which deemed the attacks to be an external attack on all NATO members under the idea of collective defense. Aside from continuing efforts in Afghanistan NATO has participated in a wide range of roles including relief effort, counter-piracy, enforcing no-fly zones and naval blockades.

those euphemisms might work for your power point presentations, but reality is that, in the past 20+ years, NATO has killed (bombed, starved etc) hundreds of thousands of people, many of them civilians. this, in addition to destroying tends of billions of dollar of infrastructure and creating political instability in numerous countries. that is what NATO is.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I found some good articles with brief modern history of Russia and geography that are contributing to Putin’s violent invasion of a sovereign country of 40 million people under the pretext of protecting Russia (NATO is a defense alliance not an aggressive military alliance) and “liberating” Ukraine from democracy.

The level of misinformation/ propaganda online, largely sponsored by the Kremlin, is frightening.

What resources are you using to discuss this dark hour in European history?

NATO has invaded numerous countries. Please don't lie to your children.

Here is a pretty good article from last month discussing how Russia feels about NATO encroachment. I must admit I did appreciate any of this before: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/12/russias-belief-in-nato-betrayal-and-why-it-matters-today

For what it is worth, Ukraine was no closer to NATO membership today than any other day, and the admission of the Baltics to NATO is two decades old at this point. "NATO encroachement" is the new "economic anxiety." We tell ourselves a simple story to avoid dealing with the fact that some folks are just bad actors.

Correct, like that time or two the U.N. invaded Iraq, or U.S. in Libya, or . . .

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I found some good articles with brief modern history of Russia and geography that are contributing to Putin’s violent invasion of a sovereign country of 40 million people under the pretext of protecting Russia (NATO is a defense alliance not an aggressive military alliance) and “liberating” Ukraine from democracy.

The level of misinformation/ propaganda online, largely sponsored by the Kremlin, is frightening.

What resources are you using to discuss this dark hour in European history?

NATO has invaded numerous countries. Please don't lie to your children.

That is ridiculous … they are a defense alliance and have never perpetuated unjustified and premeditated aggression in the way Russia is doing …

Name one NATO led invasion. Oh wait, you can’t as it has never happened …

Ok, off the top of my head, Syria, Lybia, Iraq, Bosnia/Yugoslavia... In your mind, those were justified, but in Putin's mind this one is justified, so that is pretty much in the eye of the invader, so to speak.

NATo did not invade any of these countries. Where are Yiu getting bf your history info? The Kremlin?

NATO's website: https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/topics_48818.htm

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I found some good articles with brief modern history of Russia and geography that are contributing to Putin’s violent invasion of a sovereign country of 40 million people under the pretext of protecting Russia (NATO is a defense alliance not an aggressive military alliance) and “liberating” Ukraine from democracy.

The level of misinformation/ propaganda online, largely sponsored by the Kremlin, is frightening.

What resources are you using to discuss this dark hour in European history?

NATO has invaded numerous countries. Please don't lie to your children.

That is ridiculous … they are a defense alliance and have never perpetuated unjustified and premeditated aggression in the way Russia is doing …

Name one NATO led invasion. Oh wait, you can’t as it has never happened …

Ok, off the top of my head, Syria, Lybia, Iraq, Bosnia/Yugoslavia... In your mind, those were justified, but in Putin's mind this one is justified, so that is pretty much in the eye of the invader, so to speak.

NATO has not invaded any of those countries.

You do realize that enforcing no fly zones, providing relief efforts and anti piracy measures to protect NATO member countries threatened by other countries are in no way equivalent to unprovoked invasions/ imperial land grabs from sovereign democratic countries dressed up as self defense and social cohesion exercises?

Although the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) was present throughout the Cold War as the opposite to the Warsaw Pact, and conducted joint military exercises, no military operations took place

The organization now plays a prominent role in Afghanistan after the September 11 attacks in the United States invoked Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty which deemed the attacks to be an external attack on all NATO members under the idea of collective defense. Aside from continuing efforts in Afghanistan NATO has participated in a wide range of roles including relief effort, counter-piracy, enforcing no-fly zones and naval blockades.

those euphemisms might work for your power point presentations, but reality is that, in the past 20+ years, NATO has killed (bombed, starved etc) hundreds of thousands of people, many of them civilians. this, in addition to destroying tends of billions of dollar of infrastructure and creating political instability in numerous countries. that is what NATO is.

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People are conflating NATO and the U.N. in this discussion. There is a big difference.

[Anonymous]

My teens are educating me. They know more about this than most adults.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids are in AP world history and AP euro, respectively, and neither teacher has even mentioned this much less encouraged discussion. Thank you, MCPS rote learning!

My 11 year old with anxiety is very worried about a nuclear strike. Having a tough time reassuring him.

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Anonymous wrote:DS is taking AP Euro now and his teacher is from Ukraine. I'm curious to hear what the discussion was today.

Gonzaga? DS came home today and said they spent the entire class period talking about the historical and current events. DS is really into history so he knew a lot of the background and spoke more about the current conflict that any topic I've heard him go on about in a very long time. I was impressed but also sad that he's talking about war in a current events conversation.

yes, I'm a satisfied Gonzaga parent today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I found some good articles with brief modern history of Russia and geography that are contributing to Putin’s violent invasion of a sovereign country of 40 million people under the pretext of protecting Russia (NATO is a defense alliance not an aggressive military alliance) and “liberating” Ukraine from democracy.

The level of misinformation/ propaganda online, largely sponsored by the Kremlin, is frightening.

What resources are you using to discuss this dark hour in European history?

NATO has invaded numerous countries. Please don't lie to your children.

That is ridiculous … they are a defense alliance and have never perpetuated unjustified and premeditated aggression in the way Russia is doing …

Name one NATO led invasion. Oh wait, you can’t as it has never happened …

Ok, off the top of my head, Syria, Lybia, Iraq, Bosnia/Yugoslavia... In your mind, those were justified, but in Putin's mind this one is justified, so that is pretty much in the eye of the invader, so to speak.

NATO has not invaded any of those countries.

You do realize that enforcing no fly zones, providing relief efforts and anti piracy measures to protect NATO member countries threatened by other countries are in no way equivalent to unprovoked invasions/ imperial land grabs from sovereign democratic countries dressed up as self defense and social cohesion exercises?

Although the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) was present throughout the Cold War as the opposite to the Warsaw Pact, and conducted joint military exercises, no military operations took place

The organization now plays a prominent role in Afghanistan after the September 11 attacks in the United States invoked Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty which deemed the attacks to be an external attack on all NATO members under the idea of collective defense. Aside from continuing efforts in Afghanistan NATO has participated in a wide range of roles including relief effort, counter-piracy, enforcing no-fly zones and naval blockades.

those euphemisms might work for your power point presentations, but reality is that, in the past 20+ years, NATO has killed (bombed, starved etc) hundreds of thousands of people, many of them civilians. this, in addition to destroying tends of billions of dollar of infrastructure and creating political instability in numerous countries. that is what NATO is.

This message was brought to you by The Kremlin,

People are conflating NATO and the U.N. in this discussion. There is a big difference.

UN was involved in the first war in Iraq. That was when it was understood that there needed to be world-wide consensus about attacking sovereign countries. There have been no such consensus afterwards. UN did not approve bombing Syria or Libya into stone age, or starving Yemenis or carving Yugoslavia. None of the NATO missions above were approved by UN where Russia and China have veto powers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kids are in AP world history and AP euro, respectively, and neither teacher has even mentioned this much less encouraged discussion. Thank you, MCPS rote learning!

The history teacher at DD’s private distributed educational materials around the Russian invasion of Ukraine and they are discussing at school.

For $30k/year I can have my own discussions with my kids 😜. But that is a good example of you get what you pay for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids are in AP world history and AP euro, respectively, and neither teacher has even mentioned this much less encouraged discussion. Thank you, MCPS rote learning!

The history teacher at DD’s private distributed educational materials around the Russian invasion of Ukraine and they are discussing at school.

Curious what educational materials would be satisfactory or effective when the invasion was happening during history class yesterday. But it's better than sticking to the script and ignoring the biggest war advance since WWII.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids are in AP world history and AP euro, respectively, and neither teacher has even mentioned this much less encouraged discussion. Thank you, MCPS rote learning!

The history teacher at DD’s private distributed educational materials around the Russian invasion of Ukraine and they are discussing at school.

Curious what educational materials would be satisfactory or effective when the invasion was happening during history class yesterday. But it's better than sticking to the script and ignoring the biggest war advance since WWII.

Gulf War was bigger. Much bigger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids are in AP world history and AP euro, respectively, and neither teacher has even mentioned this much less encouraged discussion. Thank you, MCPS rote learning!

The history teacher at DD’s private distributed educational materials around the Russian invasion of Ukraine and they are discussing at school.

For $30k/year I can have my own discussions with my kids 😜. But that is a good example of you get what you pay for.

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We are very happy with what we pay for -

Glad both going on here - talks at home and talks at school. Teens need to discuss wider events with their peers as well.

We have used both public and private - the same school is not right for every student, and often they have different needs at different stages of their k-12 education . I love living in an area with good public and private options. It is not either or.

[Anonymous]

I just blame Trump. That's always a safe answer these days.