RHONJ: Dr Bill is a cheater

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While touched on, it is bizarre her plastic surgeon husband didn’t operate on her. If it was purely about her being a difficult patient, why not go with one of his referrals? Or she agrees to keep her complaining down? Or somewhere else in the uS? And we never hear HIM say why he refused.

They are on tv and it would be free advertising for him. Possibilities:

- he told her her nose and chin were fine and not to do it

- he didn’t want the world critiquing his work

That’s what I think it is. Bc he did many other procedures on her and her being a difficult patient never came up.

It’s not ethical to perform surgery on a family member. Maybe he was following the guidelines?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While touched on, it is bizarre her plastic surgeon husband didn’t operate on her. If it was purely about her being a difficult patient, why not go with one of his referrals? Or she agrees to keep her complaining down? Or somewhere else in the uS? And we never hear HIM say why he refused.

They are on tv and it would be free advertising for him. Possibilities:

- he told her her nose and chin were fine and not to do it

- he didn’t want the world critiquing his work

That’s what I think it is. Bc he did many other procedures on her and her being a difficult patient never came up.

Ummmm. Much more simple: surgeons don’t operate on family members.

Legal and professional prohibitions prevent you from operating on a family member. You must accept the established ethical principle that a surgeon cannot operate on a family member under any circumstances. Have a qualified colleague at another institution do the procedure.

The intellect on this board has really ranked in recent years.

[Anonymous]

^tanked

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She said she had been talking to the surgeon on istagram for 1 year.

If Bill truly loved her, he wouldn't have cheated for 2 YEARS. That's different than a fling/ error in judgment. Would he have stayed if she cheated?

If he truly loved the OW, he would have left his marriage.

Nope, it’s way more complicated than that when you have kids and are in a long term marriage. You can love the OW, but not want to break up your own family.

It's possible, but not very common with men, particularly in midlife. Many men cheat for variety and escapism and some messed up insecurities they have with aging. 65% will report they love their wives and are happy in their marriages. It's a 'them' problem, not a 'we' problem. When women cheat, it is more often about an exit affair. Women and men fundamentally approach sex differently. All of the sex industries: prostitution, porn, high paid escorts, red light districts are designed for men because men can have sex with no love. Women may think they can but always catch the feels.

I find it amusing that the argument is that the man can love the OW, but a cheating man can't love his wife. This is some weird Bridges of Madison County fantasy with no insight into the cheating sex industry like online affair websites, etc.

We aren’t talking about the cheating sex industry. We are talking about a 2 year relationship Dr Bill had with OW. I don’t doubt there were feelings of real love there, but he’s not going to leave his family for the OW. That doesn’t mean he didn’t love her. People in affairs really love each other but it doesn’t mean it can work out long term or that they will leave their spouses for their affair partner.

You are a woman. The length of time it goes on dies not directly correlate to love. I had a no strings thing with a married woman for years and certainly didn’t love her. We met once a month and sometimes went months without seeing one another. Who knows if he saw this pharmacy rep just when she was “in port”. Pharma reps travel constantly. If they worked in the same office and saw each other every day or were banging several times a week that’s on thing. But I had less sex in a 3-year affair overall than I did in a 5-month one.

Fair enough. We don’t know the circumstances of their affair to be able to say for sure either way. Perhaps I was projecting my own experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While touched on, it is bizarre her plastic surgeon husband didn’t operate on her. If it was purely about her being a difficult patient, why not go with one of his referrals? Or she agrees to keep her complaining down? Or somewhere else in the uS? And we never hear HIM say why he refused.

They are on tv and it would be free advertising for him. Possibilities:

- he told her her nose and chin were fine and not to do it

- he didn’t want the world critiquing his work

That’s what I think it is. Bc he did many other procedures on her and her being a difficult patient never came up.

Ummmm. Much more simple: surgeons don’t operate on family members.

Legal and professional prohibitions prevent you from operating on a family member. You must accept the established ethical principle that a surgeon cannot operate on a family member under any circumstances. Have a qualified colleague at another institution do the procedure.

The intellect on this board has really ranked in recent years.

Except he has operated on her in the past.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She said she had been talking to the surgeon on istagram for 1 year.

If Bill truly loved her, he wouldn't have cheated for 2 YEARS. That's different than a fling/ error in judgment. Would he have stayed if she cheated?

If he truly loved the OW, he would have left his marriage.

Nope, it’s way more complicated than that when you have kids and are in a long term marriage. You can love the OW, but not want to break up your own family.

It's possible, but not very common with men, particularly in midlife. Many men cheat for variety and escapism and some messed up insecurities they have with aging. 65% will report they love their wives and are happy in their marriages. It's a 'them' problem, not a 'we' problem. When women cheat, it is more often about an exit affair. Women and men fundamentally approach sex differently. All of the sex industries: prostitution, porn, high paid escorts, red light districts are designed for men because men can have sex with no love. Women may think they can but always catch the feels.

I find it amusing that the argument is that the man can love the OW, but a cheating man can't love his wife. This is some weird Bridges of Madison County fantasy with no insight into the cheating sex industry like online affair websites, etc.

We aren’t talking about the cheating sex industry. We are talking about a 2 year relationship Dr Bill had with OW. I don’t doubt there were feelings of real love there, but he’s not going to leave his family for the OW. That doesn’t mean he didn’t love her. People in affairs really love each other but it doesn’t mean it can work out long term or that they will leave their spouses for their affair partner.

Cheating once i might be able to forgive but 2 YEARS! Oh hell no. You gotta have some self respect. There's no way that daughter of hers is gonna be ok what with her mom cutting up her face that looks just like her own.

+1

I feel terrible for the daughters. I understand making yourself feel better with plastic surgery but the message to her daughters is hard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She said she had been talking to the surgeon on istagram for 1 year.

If Bill truly loved her, he wouldn't have cheated for 2 YEARS. That's different than a fling/ error in judgment. Would he have stayed if she cheated?

If he truly loved the OW, he would have left his marriage.

Nope, it’s way more complicated than that when you have kids and are in a long term marriage. You can love the OW, but not want to break up your own family.

It's possible, but not very common with men, particularly in midlife. Many men cheat for variety and escapism and some messed up insecurities they have with aging. 65% will report they love their wives and are happy in their marriages. It's a 'them' problem, not a 'we' problem. When women cheat, it is more often about an exit affair. Women and men fundamentally approach sex differently. All of the sex industries: prostitution, porn, high paid escorts, red light districts are designed for men because men can have sex with no love. Women may think they can but always catch the feels.

I find it amusing that the argument is that the man can love the OW, but a cheating man can't love his wife. This is some weird Bridges of Madison County fantasy with no insight into the cheating sex industry like online affair websites, etc.

We aren’t talking about the cheating sex industry. We are talking about a 2 year relationship Dr Bill had with OW. I don’t doubt there were feelings of real love there, but he’s not going to leave his family for the OW. That doesn’t mean he didn’t love her. People in affairs really love each other but it doesn’t mean it can work out long term or that they will leave their spouses for their affair partner.

You are a woman. The length of time it goes on dies not directly correlate to love. I had a no strings thing with a married woman for years and certainly didn’t love her. We met once a month and sometimes went months without seeing one another. Who knows if he saw this pharmacy rep just when she was “in port”. Pharma reps travel constantly. If they worked in the same office and saw each other every day or were banging several times a week that’s on thing. But I had less sex in a 3-year affair overall than I did in a 5-month one.

Fair enough. We don’t know the circumstances of their affair to be able to say for sure either way. Perhaps I was projecting my own experience.

I hope your spouse got out. You suck.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She said she had been talking to the surgeon on istagram for 1 year.

If Bill truly loved her, he wouldn't have cheated for 2 YEARS. That's different than a fling/ error in judgment. Would he have stayed if she cheated?

If he truly loved the OW, he would have left his marriage.

Nope, it’s way more complicated than that when you have kids and are in a long term marriage. You can love the OW, but not want to break up your own family.

It's possible, but not very common with men, particularly in midlife. Many men cheat for variety and escapism and some messed up insecurities they have with aging. 65% will report they love their wives and are happy in their marriages. It's a 'them' problem, not a 'we' problem. When women cheat, it is more often about an exit affair. Women and men fundamentally approach sex differently. All of the sex industries: prostitution, porn, high paid escorts, red light districts are designed for men because men can have sex with no love. Women may think they can but always catch the feels.

I find it amusing that the argument is that the man can love the OW, but a cheating man can't love his wife. This is some weird Bridges of Madison County fantasy with no insight into the cheating sex industry like online affair websites, etc.

We aren’t talking about the cheating sex industry. We are talking about a 2 year relationship Dr Bill had with OW. I don’t doubt there were feelings of real love there, but he’s not going to leave his family for the OW. That doesn’t mean he didn’t love her. People in affairs really love each other but it doesn’t mean it can work out long term or that they will leave their spouses for their affair partner.

You are a woman. The length of time it goes on dies not directly correlate to love. I had a no strings thing with a married woman for years and certainly didn’t love her. We met once a month and sometimes went months without seeing one another. Who knows if he saw this pharmacy rep just when she was “in port”. Pharma reps travel constantly. If they worked in the same office and saw each other every day or were banging several times a week that’s on thing. But I had less sex in a 3-year affair overall than I did in a 5-month one.

Fair enough. We don’t know the circumstances of their affair to be able to say for sure either way. Perhaps I was projecting my own experience.

I had more sex with my wife in one month than I did in any single year with the married woman I met online. Men are different. AP professed her love over time which was really awkward and not in the NSA. I had to dump her pretty brutally because she kept getting riskier and trying to change the script. I wanted to make it clear never to contact me again. I think you can ask both people in the affair and you will probably get wildly different answers on what it meant to them. If Dr. Bill is like most men, he probably can’t even remember her name 10 years later

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While touched on, it is bizarre her plastic surgeon husband didn’t operate on her. If it was purely about her being a difficult patient, why not go with one of his referrals? Or she agrees to keep her complaining down? Or somewhere else in the uS? And we never hear HIM say why he refused.

They are on tv and it would be free advertising for him. Possibilities:

- he told her her nose and chin were fine and not to do it

- he didn’t want the world critiquing his work

That’s what I think it is. Bc he did many other procedures on her and her being a difficult patient never came up.

Ummmm. Much more simple: surgeons don’t operate on family members.

Legal and professional prohibitions prevent you from operating on a family member. You must accept the established ethical principle that a surgeon cannot operate on a family member under any circumstances. Have a qualified colleague at another institution do the procedure.

The intellect on this board has really ranked in recent years.

Except he has operated on her in the past.

This. I’m the one who post the original post about this. He has done multiple procedures in her, which she’s bragged about in the show, inc lipo more than once. Turns out I’m not the one with tanked intellect, after all.

They had to know how weird it would look that he didn’t do work on her again. They either disagreed that she should get the work done or…??

[Anonymous]

Lipo, fillers, etc aren’t major surgery. A nose job is major surgery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She said she had been talking to the surgeon on istagram for 1 year.

If Bill truly loved her, he wouldn't have cheated for 2 YEARS. That's different than a fling/ error in judgment. Would he have stayed if she cheated?

If he truly loved the OW, he would have left his marriage.

Nope, it’s way more complicated than that when you have kids and are in a long term marriage. You can love the OW, but not want to break up your own family.

It's possible, but not very common with men, particularly in midlife. Many men cheat for variety and escapism and some messed up insecurities they have with aging. 65% will report they love their wives and are happy in their marriages. It's a 'them' problem, not a 'we' problem. When women cheat, it is more often about an exit affair. Women and men fundamentally approach sex differently. All of the sex industries: prostitution, porn, high paid escorts, red light districts are designed for men because men can have sex with no love. Women may think they can but always catch the feels.

I find it amusing that the argument is that the man can love the OW, but a cheating man can't love his wife. This is some weird Bridges of Madison County fantasy with no insight into the cheating sex industry like online affair websites, etc.

We aren’t talking about the cheating sex industry. We are talking about a 2 year relationship Dr Bill had with OW. I don’t doubt there were feelings of real love there, but he’s not going to leave his family for the OW. That doesn’t mean he didn’t love her. People in affairs really love each other but it doesn’t mean it can work out long term or that they will leave their spouses for their affair partner.

You are a woman. The length of time it goes on dies not directly correlate to love. I had a no strings thing with a married woman for years and certainly didn’t love her. We met once a month and sometimes went months without seeing one another. Who knows if he saw this pharmacy rep just when she was “in port”. Pharma reps travel constantly. If they worked in the same office and saw each other every day or were banging several times a week that’s on thing. But I had less sex in a 3-year affair overall than I did in a 5-month one.

Fair enough. We don’t know the circumstances of their affair to be able to say for sure either way. Perhaps I was projecting my own experience.

I had more sex with my wife in one month than I did in any single year with the married woman I met online. Men are different. AP professed her love over time which was really awkward and not in the NSA. I had to dump her pretty brutally because she kept getting riskier and trying to change the script. I wanted to make it clear never to contact me again. I think you can ask both people in the affair and you will probably get wildly different answers on what it meant to them. If Dr. Bill is like most men, he probably can’t even remember her name 10 years later

It depends what kind of an affair it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She said she had been talking to the surgeon on istagram for 1 year.

If Bill truly loved her, he wouldn't have cheated for 2 YEARS. That's different than a fling/ error in judgment. Would he have stayed if she cheated?

If he truly loved the OW, he would have left his marriage.

Nope, it’s way more complicated than that when you have kids and are in a long term marriage. You can love the OW, but not want to break up your own family.

It's possible, but not very common with men, particularly in midlife. Many men cheat for variety and escapism and some messed up insecurities they have with aging. 65% will report they love their wives and are happy in their marriages. It's a 'them' problem, not a 'we' problem. When women cheat, it is more often about an exit affair. Women and men fundamentally approach sex differently. All of the sex industries: prostitution, porn, high paid escorts, red light districts are designed for men because men can have sex with no love. Women may think they can but always catch the feels.

I find it amusing that the argument is that the man can love the OW, but a cheating man can't love his wife. This is some weird Bridges of Madison County fantasy with no insight into the cheating sex industry like online affair websites, etc.

We aren’t talking about the cheating sex industry. We are talking about a 2 year relationship Dr Bill had with OW. I don’t doubt there were feelings of real love there, but he’s not going to leave his family for the OW. That doesn’t mean he didn’t love her. People in affairs really love each other but it doesn’t mean it can work out long term or that they will leave their spouses for their affair partner.

You are a woman. The length of time it goes on dies not directly correlate to love. I had a no strings thing with a married woman for years and certainly didn’t love her. We met once a month and sometimes went months without seeing one another. Who knows if he saw this pharmacy rep just when she was “in port”. Pharma reps travel constantly. If they worked in the same office and saw each other every day or were banging several times a week that’s on thing. But I had less sex in a 3-year affair overall than I did in a 5-month one.

Fair enough. We don’t know the circumstances of their affair to be able to say for sure either way. Perhaps I was projecting my own experience.

I hope your spouse got out. You suck.

Excuse me?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lipo, fillers, etc aren’t major surgery. A nose job is major surgery.

Her husband is a plastic surgeon. It is odd she either didn’t go to him or didn’t go to a colleague (which would be weird, too), since he’s already treated her. Their reason why - that she is a difficult patient - doesn’t make sense. Where did she go to get the chin implant removed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lipo, fillers, etc aren’t major surgery. A nose job is major surgery.

Her husband is a plastic surgeon. It is odd she either didn’t go to him or didn’t go to a colleague (which would be weird, too), since he’s already treated her. Their reason why - that she is a difficult patient - doesn’t make sense. Where did she go to get the chin implant removed?

https://pagesix.com/2022/02/08/rhonj-star-jennifer-aydin-regrets-controversial-nose-job/amp/

In that article she clings he didn’t do the surgery bc his speciality is the body (not face). That’s a different story than the one she said on air.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She said she had been talking to the surgeon on istagram for 1 year.

If Bill truly loved her, he wouldn't have cheated for 2 YEARS. That's different than a fling/ error in judgment. Would he have stayed if she cheated?

If he truly loved the OW, he would have left his marriage.

Nope, it’s way more complicated than that when you have kids and are in a long term marriage. You can love the OW, but not want to break up your own family.

It's possible, but not very common with men, particularly in midlife. Many men cheat for variety and escapism and some messed up insecurities they have with aging. 65% will report they love their wives and are happy in their marriages. It's a 'them' problem, not a 'we' problem. When women cheat, it is more often about an exit affair. Women and men fundamentally approach sex differently. All of the sex industries: prostitution, porn, high paid escorts, red light districts are designed for men because men can have sex with no love. Women may think they can but always catch the feels.

I find it amusing that the argument is that the man can love the OW, but a cheating man can't love his wife. This is some weird Bridges of Madison County fantasy with no insight into the cheating sex industry like online affair websites, etc.

We aren’t talking about the cheating sex industry. We are talking about a 2 year relationship Dr Bill had with OW. I don’t doubt there were feelings of real love there, but he’s not going to leave his family for the OW. That doesn’t mean he didn’t love her. People in affairs really love each other but it doesn’t mean it can work out long term or that they will leave their spouses for their affair partner.

Cheating once i might be able to forgive but 2 YEARS! Oh hell no. You gotta have some self respect. There's no way that daughter of hers is gonna be ok what with her mom cutting up her face that looks just like her own.

+1

I feel terrible for the daughters. I understand making yourself feel better with plastic surgery but the message to her daughters is hard.

Look at all the celebrities who destroyed their looks. You would think if one sibling had a botched nose job...the others would steer clear..not so:

https://www.arenasolution.org/what-have-the-rumors-uttered-about-la-toya-jackson-plastic-surgery.html

https://pagesix.com/2017/11/13/plastic-surgeon-says-janet-jacksons-nose-is-collapsing/