Peter Dinklage and the hypocrisy of Disney (and woke culture today)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to be insensitive or push a narrative that’s harmful to a marginalized population, but I don’t understand some of the comments here. I can understand why people would get upset about the movie as described, but that’s not the movie I remember.

Where are people getting that they were outcasts rejected by society forced to live together? I always thought they were brothers living together happily (except for Grumpy) in the family home near the diamond mine they owned. I do remember the house was a mess, but they were busy working and had let things slide. I remembered their relationship with Snow White as being more of a mutual arrangement. Basically, she was a live-in housekeeper who was working for room and board (mainly because they took pity on her), but they were all friends and had a lot of fun together. If anything, she was dependent on them. They had all the power and could kick her out at any time (not that they would) and she was completely unable to fend for herself.

Were these part of the original fairy tale that Disney cut out of the animated version? Did I misunderstand and these are proposed changed to the remake? Did I forget that much of the movie? It’s been a while since I’ve watched it, but everybody seems to be talking about a different movie than the one I remember.

I agree with all of the above. I think the OPs description of how the dwarves were perceived is way out there. I would also add that I never viewed them as humans with dwarfism, but rather as a different species entirely, like the dwarves in the Lord of the Rings. A little magical in their work with the gems. And I agree that I don't think they meant them to be like children, rather I think they were doing the sexist trope that a group of men living together would be dirty slobs.

All that being said, I see no need for a remake of this and if the community of humans with dwarfism have concerns, they should be heard and considered.

If Disney wants greater diversity in its story telling, tell new stories (new to Disney) from other cultures.

Well, that, uh, might be part of the issue at hand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s. A. Fairy tale.

Yes it is a fairy tale, but it pushes a hyperbolic narrative of a real and complex condition that are lived experiences of individuals. Imagine if your own health diagnosis was belittled into an animated fairy tale characterization?

While I am not a fan of 'cancel culture,' I believe Dinklage's response to the Snow White revival is absolutely warranted. It's inappropriate, insensitive and unnecessary. Disney has plenty of ideas and makes great movies. No one is asking for the snow white reprise.

But let me guess. You're ok with Encanto's familial abuse because you liked the LMM soundtrack.

Uh, the familial abuse was the point of the story!!!

YES! Wow, that Encanto parallel is just plain lazy on that PP's part 😂

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s. A. Fairy tale.

Yes it is a fairy tale, but it pushes a hyperbolic narrative of a real and complex condition that are lived experiences of individuals. Imagine if your own health diagnosis was belittled into an animated fairy tale characterization?

While I am not a fan of 'cancel culture,' I believe Dinklage's response to the Snow White revival is absolutely warranted. It's inappropriate, insensitive and unnecessary. Disney has plenty of ideas and makes great movies. No one is asking for the snow white reprise.

Honestly, they are more like gnomes than anything else based on how the costumes are depicted, I just realized that they do possess characteristics of dwarves from LOTR ( works on mining, hardworkers), but I agree, there is no need for remake. I also distinctly remember snow white's physical description in the movie, so this remake that they are making is really just asking for trouble.

I get why Dinklage is annoyed by this, and he is right. As a child, snow white was my first encounter with the word dwarves, it was so confusing to me if they were real people or mythical creatures based on that story, I never really met any real life dwarves before, and I was surprised the first time I saw someone in real life on TV. Later on when I got older, I found out about their medical condition. I'm sure he had really bad experiences about this all through his life, and totally understand him to want a change on the way little people are depicted on TV. They are historically treated like a thing rather than a person on TV.

[Anonymous]

Wow, the responses on this post really make me sad.

Discrimination against the disabled is ableism. Just because Dinklage has placed in roles in which dwarfism was central to the role in a mythical way does not negate his right to speak out. I am really stunned what people are posting here.

Take dwarfism or any other kind of disability and replace it with being black, Asian, Jewish, etc. So a black actor in 2022 can't complain that something is racist if they played a role in the past that played to racial stereotypes.

Perhaps Dinklage played that role in Narnia because those are only the kind of roles that are offered to dwarfs. No one would even consider him for a role that doesn't call for a dwarf at the time. Now I believe they would, because he has an established career, but imagine he gets tired of the jokes and the attitude that he is only just a dwarf. He actually addresses his role in Narnia in the podcast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to be insensitive or push a narrative that’s harmful to a marginalized population, but I don’t understand some of the comments here. I can understand why people would get upset about the movie as described, but that’s not the movie I remember.

Where are people getting that they were outcasts rejected by society forced to live together? I always thought they were brothers living together happily (except for Grumpy) in the family home near the diamond mine they owned. I do remember the house was a mess, but they were busy working and had let things slide. I remembered their relationship with Snow White as being more of a mutual arrangement. Basically, she was a live-in housekeeper who was working for room and board (mainly because they took pity on her), but they were all friends and had a lot of fun together. If anything, she was dependent on them. They had all the power and could kick her out at any time (not that they would) and she was completely unable to fend for herself.

Were these part of the original fairy tale that Disney cut out of the animated version? Did I misunderstand and these are proposed changed to the remake? Did I forget that much of the movie? It’s been a while since I’ve watched it, but everybody seems to be talking about a different movie than the one I remember.

I agree with all of the above. I think the OPs description of how the dwarves were perceived is way out there. I would also add that I never viewed them as humans with dwarfism, but rather as a different species entirely, like the dwarves in the Lord of the Rings. A little magical in their work with the gems. And I agree that I don't think they meant them to be like children, rather I think they were doing the sexist trope that a group of men living together would be dirty slobs.

All that being said, I see no need for a remake of this and if the community of humans with dwarfism have concerns, they should be heard and considered.

If Disney wants greater diversity in its story telling, tell new stories (new to Disney) from other cultures.

Well, that, uh, might be part of the issue at hand.

You clearly are not a fan of fantasy or science fictions novels, films, etc. These stories are full of non-human characters. That comment was not intended to view them as lesser. That's YOUR projection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, the responses on this post really make me sad.

Discrimination against the disabled is ableism. Just because Dinklage has placed in roles in which dwarfism was central to the role in a mythical way does not negate his right to speak out. I am really stunned what people are posting here.

Take dwarfism or any other kind of disability and replace it with being black, Asian, Jewish, etc. So a black actor in 2022 can't complain that something is racist if they played a role in the past that played to racial stereotypes.

Perhaps Dinklage played that role in Narnia because those are only the kind of roles that are offered to dwarfs. No one would even consider him for a role that doesn't call for a dwarf at the time. Now I believe they would, because he has an established career, but imagine he gets tired of the jokes and the attitude that he is only just a dwarf. He actually addresses his role in Narnia in the podcast.

What responses specifically are making you sad?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are there issues with other dwarves in lit/entertainment like Lord of the Rings?

Would it offend anyone to make a change from dwarves to 7 assorted outcasts?

It’s a fairytale, not a documentary.

Perhaps Disney should set it in modern day and swap out dwarfs with 7 bachelors? Or gay men? Or 7 singles or various backgrounds who are single by choice? Perhaps more appropriate for our times: 7 refugees living together to split expenses and support each other as they toil for a better life? Or would that prompt an outcry from little people upset about being erased from the story?

Lastly, didn’t someone already tell this story with K Stew and 7 huntsmen?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, the responses on this post really make me sad.

Discrimination against the disabled is ableism. Just because Dinklage has placed in roles in which dwarfism was central to the role in a mythical way does not negate his right to speak out. I am really stunned what people are posting here.

Take dwarfism or any other kind of disability and replace it with being black, Asian, Jewish, etc. So a black actor in 2022 can't complain that something is racist if they played a role in the past that played to racial stereotypes.

Perhaps Dinklage played that role in Narnia because those are only the kind of roles that are offered to dwarfs. No one would even consider him for a role that doesn't call for a dwarf at the time. Now I believe they would, because he has an established career, but imagine he gets tired of the jokes and the attitude that he is only just a dwarf. He actually addresses his role in Narnia in the podcast.

What responses specifically are making you sad?

Most of them, for dismissing and making excuses of why characters of a marginalized community are ok for entertainment. Hey, maybe Disney should release from "the vault" Song of the South.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Snow White just did not need to be remade. The Disney original is a masterpiece and one of the hallmarks of animation. Countless other Snow White movies have been made. Disney isn’t doing this out of fidelity to art, but greed. There are so many wonderful books and stories and myths from other cultures that Disney can look to instead of yet another remake but they’d rather not take the risk.

So they should have to deal with any reasonable critique, and this is more than reasonable.

Furthermore, the name “Snow White” literally came from the idea that Snow White was so beautiful because her skin was as white as possible. Why do we need to remake this movie in 2022??? Just do something different already!!!

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Needs to be retired along with Uncle Remix and Song of the South.

[Anonymous]

Remaking Snow White is unnecessary.
Making a deal about casting brown actress is very 2022. I’m sure the “seven dwarves” will be treated with respect and all that, but the constant remakes using disney IP and such and obvious money grab it makes me nauseous.

[Anonymous]

Breaking news; Blondes fire at studio for making them look dumb in Legally Blonde.

This just in: Step mothers everywhere suing Disney for showing them as evil humans who want to torture and kill their stepchildren

More news: Step sisters also filing suit.

My gawd people. These are movies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Breaking news; Blondes fire at studio for making them look dumb in Legally Blonde.

This just in: Step mothers everywhere suing Disney for showing them as evil humans who want to torture and kill their stepchildren

More news: Step sisters also filing suit.

My gawd people. These are movies.

last time I checked, hair color or being a step sibling weren't protected classifications. But disability is.

You're gross with your comparisons.

[Anonymous]

I didn't know fairytale charecters were a protected class. got it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Breaking news; Blondes fire at studio for making them look dumb in Legally Blonde.

This just in: Step mothers everywhere suing Disney for showing them as evil humans who want to torture and kill their stepchildren

More news: Step sisters also filing suit.

My gawd people. These are movies.

last time I checked, hair color or being a step sibling weren't protected classifications. But disability is.

You're gross with your comparisons.

+ a million

What a sad post.

[Anonymous]

Listen, he may have a point but he is in this for 15 minutes of fame which makes this gross in my opinion.
He needs some media attention so here we are.