Peter Dinklage and the hypocrisy of Disney (and woke culture today)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have seen 2 'snow white' remakes and the dwarves have been men both times. I don't get the outrage.
I don't get it even if they were dwarves as those are mythical beings, NOT human. Much like fairies, elves and gnomes.

Dwarves are not mythical creatures. And there is the problem. Maybe if they just went with Snow White and (insert real mythical creature) for the people in the back who apparently don't know the difference.

[Anonymous]

Someone is going to come at me with Germanic folklore or lotr mythology. These folkloric creatures were based on real people and there's no reason to try to keep this kind of mythology alive, especially if it's offensive and hurtful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone is going to come at me with Germanic folklore or lotr mythology. These folkloric creatures were based on real people and there's no reason to try to keep this kind of mythology alive, especially if it's offensive and hurtful.

No they were not. They are myths that go way back and do not all describe dwarves in the same way.

If you are going to claim it is based on people with dwarfism, back it up with evidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have seen 2 'snow white' remakes and the dwarves have been men both times. I don't get the outrage.
I don't get it even if they were dwarves as those are mythical beings, NOT human. Much like fairies, elves and gnomes.

Dwarves are not mythical creatures. And there is the problem. Maybe if they just went with Snow White and (insert real mythical creature) for the people in the back who apparently don't know the difference.

Yes they are. Mythology about dwarves has been around for thousands of years.

[Anonymous]

I can't go through pages of this but OP you might want to start by stopping calling Dinklage a 'dwarf' the world is 'little people."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the podcast it seems Dinklage is calling out Disney for one one hand promoting that Disney is so progressive because its going to do a new version of Snow White that is alternative and very progressive which Disney actively markets is evidenced by their hiring of the West Side Story actress to play Snow White. Disney is so woke, so diverse, so inclusive.

But what about the seven dwarves aspect of the story? If Disney is so progressive, how can it rectify the dwarf angle. Hence, Disney is not as progressive as it claims.

People can argue all they want that in the 1800s the 7 dwarfs were mythical creatures, but in 2022, people associate them with little people. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it's a duck. Period. GMAB with all the "it's no big deal". It is.

No, I do not associate them with little people. They are mythical creatures. I think people who would associate them with little people in 2022 are the problem. Why would you do that? It makes no sense to me.

No sorry, they aren't mythical creatures, they are small men. Based on REAL small men.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't go through pages of this but OP you might want to start by stopping calling Dinklage a 'dwarf' the world is 'little people."

I think midget is the offensive term, not dwarf though I think you say person with dwarfism.

[Anonymous]

It would be best to listen to the interview. The whole conversation is great.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast/id329875043?i=1000548790352

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't go through pages of this but OP you might want to start by stopping calling Dinklage a 'dwarf' the world is 'little people."

I think midget is the offensive term, not dwarf though I think you say person with dwarfism.

Actually originally "midget" and "dwarf" described different conditions. A "midget" was a small person who was physiologically in proportion, a "dwarf" was a small person who wasn't technically "in proportion".

Neither term is needed, "little person" suffices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't go through pages of this but OP you might want to start by stopping calling Dinklage a 'dwarf' the world is 'little people."

I think midget is the offensive term, not dwarf though I think you say person with dwarfism.

Actually originally "midget" and "dwarf" described different conditions. A "midget" was a small person who was physiologically in proportion, a "dwarf" was a small person who wasn't technically "in proportion".

Neither term is needed, "little person" suffices.

"A little person is one of the more than 200 medical conditions known as dwarfism. Dwarfism is a medical or genetic condition that usually results in an adult height of 4’10” or shorter"

https://www.respectability.org/inclusion-toolkits/little-people-dwarfism/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't go through pages of this but OP you might want to start by stopping calling Dinklage a 'dwarf' the world is 'little people."

I think midget is the offensive term, not dwarf though I think you say person with dwarfism.

Actually originally "midget" and "dwarf" described different conditions. A "midget" was a small person who was physiologically in proportion, a "dwarf" was a small person who wasn't technically "in proportion".

Neither term is needed, "little person" suffices.

"A little person is one of the more than 200 medical conditions known as dwarfism. Dwarfism is a medical or genetic condition that usually results in an adult height of 4’10” or shorter"

https://www.respectability.org/inclusion-toolkits/little-people-dwarfism/

It continues: Appropriate terms include little person, person of short stature, dwarf or LP, though it is most respectful to refer to someone just by name. The word “midget” is considered highly offensive. A little person may choose not to identify as a person with a disability or part of the disability community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the podcast it seems Dinklage is calling out Disney for one one hand promoting that Disney is so progressive because its going to do a new version of Snow White that is alternative and very progressive which Disney actively markets is evidenced by their hiring of the West Side Story actress to play Snow White. Disney is so woke, so diverse, so inclusive.

But what about the seven dwarves aspect of the story? If Disney is so progressive, how can it rectify the dwarf angle. Hence, Disney is not as progressive as it claims.

People can argue all they want that in the 1800s the 7 dwarfs were mythical creatures, but in 2022, people associate them with little people. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it's a duck. Period. GMAB with all the "it's no big deal". It is.

No, I do not associate them with little people. They are mythical creatures. I think people who would associate them with little people in 2022 are the problem. Why would you do that? It makes no sense to me.

No sorry, they aren't mythical creatures, they are small men. Based on REAL small men.

They are not based on real small men. Read up on German mythology and fairy tales.

[Anonymous]

Jeez I would think “little person” would be more offensive than dwarf.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree that they should not remake the movie for the reasons you mentioned and a few more. I do think it is also sexist that a group of men needed a woman to come in and cook and clean for them.

As a child of the 80s, I always felt so bad for Smurfette.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to be insensitive or push a narrative that’s harmful to a marginalized population, but I don’t understand some of the comments here. I can understand why people would get upset about the movie as described, but that’s not the movie I remember.

Where are people getting that they were outcasts rejected by society forced to live together? I always thought they were brothers living together happily (except for Grumpy) in the family home near the diamond mine they owned. I do remember the house was a mess, but they were busy working and had let things slide. I remembered their relationship with Snow White as being more of a mutual arrangement. Basically, she was a live-in housekeeper who was working for room and board (mainly because they took pity on her), but they were all friends and had a lot of fun together. If anything, she was dependent on them. They had all the power and could kick her out at any time (not that they would) and she was completely unable to fend for herself.

Were these part of the original fairy tale that Disney cut out of the animated version? Did I misunderstand and these are proposed changed to the remake? Did I forget that much of the movie? It’s been a while since I’ve watched it, but everybody seems to be talking about a different movie than the one I remember.

This is how I remember it too, but I haven't seen it as an adult.
I didn't remember "Grease" as having anything inappropriate in it until I went to watch it with my tweens.

Same. I was in Tower Records (I know, I’m old) in high school and Greased Lightning was playing on the TVs with closed captioning. I was like “holy crap, THAT’S what I was singing when I was six?”