VDOE - VMPI is dead? Isn't that illegal?

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Eliminating tracking absolutely was part of the plan and was removed only after press and parental outrage. Remember how teachers were going to differentiate in the classroom and have students who were better in math help teach less capable ones? I mean, we had this debate right here on DCUM!

I didn't vote for Youngkin, but I hope he can do some good in education. I don't understand the hatred of this by the very same parents who were upset that their kids would be unable to take advanced math.

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Anonymous wrote:Eliminating tracking absolutely was part of the plan and was removed only after press and parental outrage. Remember how teachers were going to differentiate in the classroom and have students who were better in math help teach less capable ones? I mean, we had this debate right here on DCUM!

I didn't vote for Youngkin, but I hope he can do some good in education. I don't understand the hatred of this by the very same parents who were upset that their kids would be unable to take advanced math.

I did vote for him, and my hopes are dashed. His secretary of education never taught a day in her life, and this thing with the masks, at least until there’s a vaccine for the little ones, is asinine. So glad he only gets one term. I’ll never vote for him for anything again.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank god. I remember reading the original slides on VMPI and calling my Delegate as well as the Delegate Candidates to say this was a voting issue for me. The original YouTube videos and proposal was all about detracking math and making it harder for kids to take Calculus and other higher level math classes. It was bad.

It didn’t hurt that enough parents in NoVA complained about the proposal and forced those responsible to make some drastic changes to the proposal.

I voted Democrat in the last election but I am glad to see the ridiculous proposal flushed.

agreed - if VA is like other "progressive" districts across the country, they'll pinky-swear to remove detracking and then just do it anyway. some people said that a promise was good enough...no, it's really not. I'm all for the other part of VMPI - substituting more stats/probability in place of advanced calc, but this was never the main thrust of VMPI

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Anonymous wrote:VMPI is disastrous for public schools. It’s a very good thing that he is getting rid of it.

To the pp that was lamenting about just buying in a good school district and now going to have to look at private. You should send him an email to thank him. He just saved your good public school.

Why - because blending algebra & geometry and adding data science was really that terrible?

No, because they wanted to put all kids in the same math class until 10th or 11th grade. I hate Youngkin and did not vote for him but I'm glad this is gone.

That idea that was loosely floated (not even on infographic) around a year ago was squashed several months ago. Stop spreading disinformation.

It was actually in the initial proposal as was equity as the #1 goal (not math education), then it was quickly walked back and equity was put further down the list of goals. They were waiting until after the election until releasing the final version. It truly was like a "you have to pass it to find out what's in it". Didn't vote for him, but know a lot of Asian people who did solely for this issue.

You have a problem with VDOE making sure that Virginia's math curriculum isn't leaving certain students behind or unprepared to hold a job?

Of course not. But let’s not leave them behind by devoting resources to help them catch up and be their very best, not by holding advanced kids back.

VMPI would not do that. This was clarified a long time ago, you just don't want to acknowledge it because it guts your best argument against VMPI.

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People still “concerned” about advanced math are either not paying attention or have ulterior motives.

LCPS, in the name of VMPI, legitimately and actually eliminated Algebra in 6th grade for ALL students regardless of ability effective this coming school year, and made it much much harder to take it in 7th grade. These are real actual facts, and I know because I have an 8th grader under the old system and a 5th grader under the new. I told people 9 months ago this was happening, was told I was overreacting, and it’s exactly happening the way I said (and the district said) it would.

And nothing Youngkin can do will change those decisions independently made by LCPS.

School districts have independently sped up and slowed down acceleration options way before VMPI was formed.

Except LCPS announced this with VMPI and said it was the direct result of.

VMPI hasn’t even been finalized or approved yet (it was scheduled to be rolled out in 2023), so there is absolutely no way that it forced any school system to make any curriculum changes. Someone is lying to you, or you are making this up.

I didn’t say they were forced. They obviously wanted to - but VMPI have them cover and an excuse. It would have take way longer otherwise/

Please show where LCPS said VMPI was forcing them to change the math curriculum, because this sounds completely made up.

It is.

LCPS made the changes on their own. Just like other school systems have done in the past. And others will do in the future.

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Anonymous wrote:VMPI is disastrous for public schools. It’s a very good thing that he is getting rid of it.

To the pp that was lamenting about just buying in a good school district and now going to have to look at private. You should send him an email to thank him. He just saved your good public school.

Why - because blending algebra & geometry and adding data science was really that terrible?

No, because they wanted to put all kids in the same math class until 10th or 11th grade. I hate Youngkin and did not vote for him but I'm glad this is gone.

That idea that was loosely floated (not even on infographic) around a year ago was squashed several months ago. Stop spreading disinformation.

It was actually in the initial proposal as was equity as the #1 goal (not math education), then it was quickly walked back and equity was put further down the list of goals. They were waiting until after the election until releasing the final version. It truly was like a "you have to pass it to find out what's in it". Didn't vote for him, but know a lot of Asian people who did solely for this issue.

You have a problem with VDOE making sure that Virginia's math curriculum isn't leaving certain students behind or unprepared to hold a job?

Of course not. But let’s not leave them behind by devoting resources to help them catch up and be their very best, not by holding advanced kids back.

VMPI would not do that. This was clarified a long time ago, you just don't want to acknowledge it because it guts your best argument against VMPI.

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People still “concerned” about advanced math are either not paying attention or have ulterior motives.

Yes, my ulterior motive was making sure my son could get into Algebra early before that opportunity was taken away from him.

LCPS changes weren’t driven by VMPI. You’re blaming VDOE for a decision LCPS made.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank god. I remember reading the original slides on VMPI and calling my Delegate as well as the Delegate Candidates to say this was a voting issue for me. The original YouTube videos and proposal was all about detracking math and making it harder for kids to take Calculus and other higher level math classes. It was bad.

It didn’t hurt that enough parents in NoVA complained about the proposal and forced those responsible to make some drastic changes to the proposal.

I voted Democrat in the last election but I am glad to see the ridiculous proposal flushed.

agreed - if VA is like other "progressive" districts across the country, they'll pinky-swear to remove detracking and then just do it anyway. some people said that a promise was good enough...no, it's really not. I'm all for the other part of VMPI - substituting more stats/probability in place of advanced calc, but this was never the main thrust of VMPI

There is a very long, multi-year process to change the curriculum. After they published the draft it would go through a long approval process including public feedback. There is no way for them to sneak it in.

And it wasn’t the “main thrust” at all. It didn’t even make the infographic.

Stop lying.

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Anonymous wrote:VMPI is disastrous for public schools. It’s a very good thing that he is getting rid of it.

To the pp that was lamenting about just buying in a good school district and now going to have to look at private. You should send him an email to thank him. He just saved your good public school.

Why - because blending algebra & geometry and adding data science was really that terrible?

No, because they wanted to put all kids in the same math class until 10th or 11th grade. I hate Youngkin and did not vote for him but I'm glad this is gone.

That idea that was loosely floated (not even on infographic) around a year ago was squashed several months ago. Stop spreading disinformation.

It was actually in the initial proposal as was equity as the #1 goal (not math education), then it was quickly walked back and equity was put further down the list of goals. They were waiting until after the election until releasing the final version. It truly was like a "you have to pass it to find out what's in it". Didn't vote for him, but know a lot of Asian people who did solely for this issue.

You have a problem with VDOE making sure that Virginia's math curriculum isn't leaving certain students behind or unprepared to hold a job?

Of course not. But let’s not leave them behind by devoting resources to help them catch up and be their very best, not by holding advanced kids back.

VMPI would not do that. This was clarified a long time ago, you just don't want to acknowledge it because it guts your best argument against VMPI.

+1

People still “concerned” about advanced math are either not paying attention or have ulterior motives.

LCPS, in the name of VMPI, legitimately and actually eliminated Algebra in 6th grade for ALL students regardless of ability effective this coming school year, and made it much much harder to take it in 7th grade. These are real actual facts, and I know because I have an 8th grader under the old system and a 5th grader under the new. I told people 9 months ago this was happening, was told I was overreacting, and it’s exactly happening the way I said (and the district said) it would.

And nothing Youngkin can do will change those decisions independently made by LCPS.

School districts have independently sped up and slowed down acceleration options way before VMPI was formed.

Except LCPS announced this with VMPI and said it was the direct result of.

VMPI hasn’t even been finalized or approved yet (it was scheduled to be rolled out in 2023), so there is absolutely no way that it forced any school system to make any curriculum changes. Someone is lying to you, or you are making this up.

I didn’t say they were forced. They obviously wanted to - but VMPI have them cover and an excuse. It would have take way longer otherwise/

Please show where LCPS said VMPI was forcing them to change the math curriculum, because this sounds completely made up.

It is.

LCPS made the changes on their own. Just like other school systems have done in the past. And others will do in the future.

+1. It’s pathetic how Republicans will hold onto the most transparent lies to justify how they vote. Makes you wonder what the real motivations are that they don’t want it admit, even on an anonymous Internet forum.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank god. I remember reading the original slides on VMPI and calling my Delegate as well as the Delegate Candidates to say this was a voting issue for me. The original YouTube videos and proposal was all about detracking math and making it harder for kids to take Calculus and other higher level math classes. It was bad.

It didn’t hurt that enough parents in NoVA complained about the proposal and forced those responsible to make some drastic changes to the proposal.

I voted Democrat in the last election but I am glad to see the ridiculous proposal flushed.

agreed - if VA is like other "progressive" districts across the country, they'll pinky-swear to remove detracking and then just do it anyway. some people said that a promise was good enough...no, it's really not. I'm all for the other part of VMPI - substituting more stats/probability in place of advanced calc, but this was never the main thrust of VMPI

There is a very long, multi-year process to change the curriculum. After they published the draft it would go through a long approval process including public feedback. There is no way for them to sneak it in.

And it wasn’t the “main thrust” at all. It didn’t even make the infographic.

Stop lying.

The infographic changed. I am not a protesting type personality. I have been to two political rallies in my life, one was when I was 3 and my Mom took me to a march with her, and I got on the phone with my Delegate and the Governors office and I sent an email to the VMPI team because I was concerned with what I saw. They were very much discussing detracking and playing down the need for Calculus for students.

I agree that not everyone, heck probably most people, don't need calculus. I never took calculus. But the way they were discussing changing math and emphasizing that calculus was available in college and not really needed for most kids in high school and that probability and stats is so much more useful made it clear that the changes were going to harm kids who ar strong in math and should be on a path for calculus and other higher end math courses. That might not be have been me in school but it is my DH and my DS. DS is likely to be in Algebra in 7th grade. He is strong in math and enjoys math, it is his favorite class at school. It was hard enough getting him into Advanced Math in third grade, the changes VMPI was proposing would have made it harder for him to be able to take advanced math in high school.

Shortly after I saw their original presentation and sent my emails and made my calls, the proposal started to shift. There was a good amount of outcry from NoVA which probably influenced the changes in the proposal. If the most Democratic section of the state was reacting to the proposal in a negative manner, then that was a sign that there was something politically problematic about the proposal.

I have no clue if Loudon County changed its policies because of VMPI. I do know that there seems to have been a shift in attitudes about math acceleration in the area, Loudon's changes and MCPS has changed it's math acceleration program. Obviously MCPS is not influenced by VMPI but the fact that math programs in Maryland and Virginia are revisiting the idea of math acceleration. The idea that there needs to be a track for high performing math students seems to be a bit of an educational hot topic. I don't know where the line is drawn that Algebra is being taught at too young an age is, I am not sure that Algebra in 6th grade is a great idea and then I look at my 4th grader who is solving basic Algebra problems in his RSM class and I return to not knowing where the line is.

And for the record, we are white and I am a Democrat.

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Anonymous wrote:Thank god. I remember reading the original slides on VMPI and calling my Delegate as well as the Delegate Candidates to say this was a voting issue for me. The original YouTube videos and proposal was all about detracking math and making it harder for kids to take Calculus and other higher level math classes. It was bad.

It didn’t hurt that enough parents in NoVA complained about the proposal and forced those responsible to make some drastic changes to the proposal.

I voted Democrat in the last election but I am glad to see the ridiculous proposal flushed.

agreed - if VA is like other "progressive" districts across the country, they'll pinky-swear to remove detracking and then just do it anyway. some people said that a promise was good enough...no, it's really not. I'm all for the other part of VMPI - substituting more stats/probability in place of advanced calc, but this was never the main thrust of VMPI

There is a very long, multi-year process to change the curriculum. After they published the draft it would go through a long approval process including public feedback. There is no way for them to sneak it in.

And it wasn’t the “main thrust” at all. It didn’t even make the infographic.

Stop lying.

The infographic changed. I am not a protesting type personality. I have been to two political rallies in my life, one was when I was 3 and my Mom took me to a march with her, and I got on the phone with my Delegate and the Governors office and I sent an email to the VMPI team because I was concerned with what I saw. They were very much discussing detracking and playing down the need for Calculus for students.

I agree that not everyone, heck probably most people, don't need calculus. I never took calculus. But the way they were discussing changing math and emphasizing that calculus was available in college and not really needed for most kids in high school and that probability and stats is so much more useful made it clear that the changes were going to harm kids who ar strong in math and should be on a path for calculus and other higher end math courses. That might not be have been me in school but it is my DH and my DS. DS is likely to be in Algebra in 7th grade. He is strong in math and enjoys math, it is his favorite class at school. It was hard enough getting him into Advanced Math in third grade, the changes VMPI was proposing would have made it harder for him to be able to take advanced math in high school.

Shortly after I saw their original presentation and sent my emails and made my calls, the proposal started to shift. There was a good amount of outcry from NoVA which probably influenced the changes in the proposal. If the most Democratic section of the state was reacting to the proposal in a negative manner, then that was a sign that there was something politically problematic about the proposal.

I have no clue if Loudon County changed its policies because of VMPI. I do know that there seems to have been a shift in attitudes about math acceleration in the area, Loudon's changes and MCPS has changed it's math acceleration program. Obviously MCPS is not influenced by VMPI but the fact that math programs in Maryland and Virginia are revisiting the idea of math acceleration. The idea that there needs to be a track for high performing math students seems to be a bit of an educational hot topic. I don't know where the line is drawn that Algebra is being taught at too young an age is, I am not sure that Algebra in 6th grade is a great idea and then I look at my 4th grader who is solving basic Algebra problems in his RSM class and I return to not knowing where the line is.

And for the record, we are white and I am a Democrat.

Detracking was never on the infographic. But calculus always was.

APS slowed down acceleration a few years ago - before VMPI. It was a decision made by math department because they weren’t happy with outcomes. Too many kids pushed into algebra too early for no significant benefit. It was an educational decision, not political.

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Anonymous wrote:Detracking was never on the infographic. But calculus always was.

APS slowed down acceleration a few years ago - before VMPI. It was a decision made by math department because they weren’t happy with outcomes. Too many kids pushed into algebra too early for no significant benefit. It was an educational decision, not political.

+1. People here seem to treat Algebra in sixth grade and calculus in high school as in they are ends into themselves rather than stepping stones to further learning. It is not helpful at all for a kid to take calculus in high school if they don’t learn the material because they didn’t come into it with and adequate foundation. VMPI is intended in part to make sure that foundation exists before kids take calculus rather than getting them to calculus in high school at any cost. It is also designed to provide a productive and useful path for those kids who are not going to take calculus for whatever reason. None of that was going to prohibit school systems from offering calculus in high school for those who are prepared for it.

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Anonymous wrote:VMPI is disastrous for public schools. It’s a very good thing that he is getting rid of it.

To the pp that was lamenting about just buying in a good school district and now going to have to look at private. You should send him an email to thank him. He just saved your good public school.

Why - because blending algebra & geometry and adding data science was really that terrible?

No, because they wanted to put all kids in the same math class until 10th or 11th grade. I hate Youngkin and did not vote for him but I'm glad this is gone.

That idea that was loosely floated (not even on infographic) around a year ago was squashed several months ago. Stop spreading disinformation.

It was actually in the initial proposal as was equity as the #1 goal (not math education), then it was quickly walked back and equity was put further down the list of goals. They were waiting until after the election until releasing the final version. It truly was like a "you have to pass it to find out what's in it". Didn't vote for him, but know a lot of Asian people who did solely for this issue.

You have a problem with VDOE making sure that Virginia's math curriculum isn't leaving certain students behind or unprepared to hold a job?

Of course not. But let’s not leave them behind by devoting resources to help them catch up and be their very best, not by holding advanced kids back.

VMPI would not do that. This was clarified a long time ago, you just don't want to acknowledge it because it guts your best argument against VMPI.

+1

People still “concerned” about advanced math are either not paying attention or have ulterior motives.

Yes, my ulterior motive was making sure my son could get into Algebra early before that opportunity was taken away from him.

LCPS changes weren’t driven by VMPI. You’re blaming VDOE for a decision LCPS made.

I’m the previous poster you are responding to. I don’t live in Loudoun County—I live in Arlington.

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Anonymous wrote:VMPI is disastrous for public schools. It’s a very good thing that he is getting rid of it.

To the pp that was lamenting about just buying in a good school district and now going to have to look at private. You should send him an email to thank him. He just saved your good public school.

Why - because blending algebra & geometry and adding data science was really that terrible?

No, because they wanted to put all kids in the same math class until 10th or 11th grade. I hate Youngkin and did not vote for him but I'm glad this is gone.

That idea that was loosely floated (not even on infographic) around a year ago was squashed several months ago. Stop spreading disinformation.

It was actually in the initial proposal as was equity as the #1 goal (not math education), then it was quickly walked back and equity was put further down the list of goals. They were waiting until after the election until releasing the final version. It truly was like a "you have to pass it to find out what's in it". Didn't vote for him, but know a lot of Asian people who did solely for this issue.

You have a problem with VDOE making sure that Virginia's math curriculum isn't leaving certain students behind or unprepared to hold a job?

Of course not. But let’s not leave them behind by devoting resources to help them catch up and be their very best, not by holding advanced kids back.

VMPI would not do that. This was clarified a long time ago, you just don't want to acknowledge it because it guts your best argument against VMPI.

+1

People still “concerned” about advanced math are either not paying attention or have ulterior motives.

Yes, my ulterior motive was making sure my son could get into Algebra early before that opportunity was taken away from him.

LCPS changes weren’t driven by VMPI. You’re blaming VDOE for a decision LCPS made.

I’m the previous poster you are responding to. I don’t live in Loudoun County—I live in Arlington.

APS was already slowing down acceleration years ago. After accelerating it. The course offerings and pathways have fluctuated over the years, driven by the APS math department. Not VMPI - it didn’t exist then.

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And just to be very clear - it’s 100% the school district’s call on what specific courses and pathways they offer. They decide how much kids can accelerate. Not VDOE.

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Anonymous wrote:VMPI is disastrous for public schools. It’s a very good thing that he is getting rid of it.

To the pp that was lamenting about just buying in a good school district and now going to have to look at private. You should send him an email to thank him. He just saved your good public school.

Why - because blending algebra & geometry and adding data science was really that terrible?

No, because they wanted to put all kids in the same math class until 10th or 11th grade. I hate Youngkin and did not vote for him but I'm glad this is gone.

That idea that was loosely floated (not even on infographic) around a year ago was squashed several months ago. Stop spreading disinformation.

It was actually in the initial proposal as was equity as the #1 goal (not math education), then it was quickly walked back and equity was put further down the list of goals. They were waiting until after the election until releasing the final version. It truly was like a "you have to pass it to find out what's in it". Didn't vote for him, but know a lot of Asian people who did solely for this issue.

You have a problem with VDOE making sure that Virginia's math curriculum isn't leaving certain students behind or unprepared to hold a job?

Of course not. But let’s not leave them behind by devoting resources to help them catch up and be their very best, not by holding advanced kids back.

VMPI would not do that. This was clarified a long time ago, you just don't want to acknowledge it because it guts your best argument against VMPI.

+1

People still “concerned” about advanced math are either not paying attention or have ulterior motives.

Yes, my ulterior motive was making sure my son could get into Algebra early before that opportunity was taken away from him.

LCPS changes weren’t driven by VMPI. You’re blaming VDOE for a decision LCPS made.

I’m the previous poster you are responding to. I don’t live in Loudoun County—I live in Arlington.

When did Arlington take away the ability to take accelerate algebra? My seventh grader is taking it now, which from everything I’ve seen is the earliest you could take it in any of the APS math pathways.

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Anonymous wrote:VMPI is disastrous for public schools. It’s a very good thing that he is getting rid of it.

To the pp that was lamenting about just buying in a good school district and now going to have to look at private. You should send him an email to thank him. He just saved your good public school.

Why - because blending algebra & geometry and adding data science was really that terrible?

No, because they wanted to put all kids in the same math class until 10th or 11th grade. I hate Youngkin and did not vote for him but I'm glad this is gone.

That idea that was loosely floated (not even on infographic) around a year ago was squashed several months ago. Stop spreading disinformation.

It was actually in the initial proposal as was equity as the #1 goal (not math education), then it was quickly walked back and equity was put further down the list of goals. They were waiting until after the election until releasing the final version. It truly was like a "you have to pass it to find out what's in it". Didn't vote for him, but know a lot of Asian people who did solely for this issue.

You have a problem with VDOE making sure that Virginia's math curriculum isn't leaving certain students behind or unprepared to hold a job?

Of course not. But let’s not leave them behind by devoting resources to help them catch up and be their very best, not by holding advanced kids back.

VMPI would not do that. This was clarified a long time ago, you just don't want to acknowledge it because it guts your best argument against VMPI.

+1

People still “concerned” about advanced math are either not paying attention or have ulterior motives.

Yes, my ulterior motive was making sure my son could get into Algebra early before that opportunity was taken away from him.

LCPS changes weren’t driven by VMPI. You’re blaming VDOE for a decision LCPS made.

I’m the previous poster you are responding to. I don’t live in Loudoun County—I live in Arlington.

When did Arlington take away the ability to take accelerate algebra? My seventh grader is taking it now, which from everything I’ve seen is the earliest you could take it in any of the APS math pathways.

And to add further context, taking intensified algebra in seventh grade puts him on track to take calculus as a junior and then more advanced math as a senior, so taking algebra in seventh grade is not somehow limiting him from taking calculus in high school.