Youngkin and TJ

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Youngkin will have a lot of power in setting up the Regional Govenors board for TJ. FCPS has know for a long time that the way that they run TJ violets state law.

https://www.cee.org/about-us/blog/virginia-governors-schools-gifted

Representation will be proportional form the school boards sending students to TJ.

...as it is currently.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Youngkin will have a lot of power in setting up the Regional Govenors board for TJ. FCPS has know for a long time that the way that they run TJ violets state law.

https://www.cee.org/about-us/blog/virginia-governors-schools-gifted

Representation will be proportional form the school boards sending students to TJ.

Did you see upthread where I linked to the fact that the school board has been in-process on this since March 2021? Here's the text of the SB motion:

E TJHSST Follow-on motion - Establish a Regional Governing Board:

I move to direct the superintendent to develop a plan for establishing policies and procedures for instituting a regional governing board for TJ High School for Science and Technology. The governing board shall be comprised of a proportionate representation of the school boards which send students to the school. The regional board shall be responsible for ensuring current Virginia Board of Education Regulations relative to jointly operated schools and programs are adhered to. The Superintendents plan shall be referred to the Governance Committee no later than March 2021. The Governance Committee will review the Superintendent’s proposed plan and bring its recommendation to the Fairfax County School Board for final approval prior to implementation.

What is the status of the Regional Board?

There is none at the moment. Even if there is one, it will effectively be controlled by the FCPS board.

Seems like a problem?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Youngkin will have a lot of power in setting up the Regional Govenors board for TJ. FCPS has know for a long time that the way that they run TJ violets state law.

https://www.cee.org/about-us/blog/virginia-governors-schools-gifted

Again, citation needed - not about whether or not state law is being violated, but about FCPS doing so knowingly. Completely baseless assertion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Youngkin will have a lot of power in setting up the Regional Govenors board for TJ. FCPS has know for a long time that the way that they run TJ violets state law.

https://www.cee.org/about-us/blog/virginia-governors-schools-gifted

Representation will be proportional form the school boards sending students to TJ.

Did you see upthread where I linked to the fact that the school board has been in-process on this since March 2021? Here's the text of the SB motion:

E TJHSST Follow-on motion - Establish a Regional Governing Board:

I move to direct the superintendent to develop a plan for establishing policies and procedures for instituting a regional governing board for TJ High School for Science and Technology. The governing board shall be comprised of a proportionate representation of the school boards which send students to the school. The regional board shall be responsible for ensuring current Virginia Board of Education Regulations relative to jointly operated schools and programs are adhered to. The Superintendents plan shall be referred to the Governance Committee no later than March 2021. The Governance Committee will review the Superintendent’s proposed plan and bring its recommendation to the Fairfax County School Board for final approval prior to implementation.

What is the status of the Regional Board?

Governance committee will decide on their recommendation today (so you can probably listen in on channel 99 if you care - they're also discussing the anti-racism policy and some other stuff). Then they will present it to the SB sometime - I don't see it on the 12/2 meeting for either this week or future business so I'll assume it'll be a couple months. Then it has to get made.

I wouldn't expect anything before end of this school year, but probably by next?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Youngkin will have a lot of power in setting up the Regional Govenors board for TJ. FCPS has know for a long time that the way that they run TJ violets state law.

https://www.cee.org/about-us/blog/virginia-governors-schools-gifted

Representation will be proportional form the school boards sending students to TJ.

Did you see upthread where I linked to the fact that the school board has been in-process on this since March 2021? Here's the text of the SB motion:

E TJHSST Follow-on motion - Establish a Regional Governing Board:

I move to direct the superintendent to develop a plan for establishing policies and procedures for instituting a regional governing board for TJ High School for Science and Technology. The governing board shall be comprised of a proportionate representation of the school boards which send students to the school. The regional board shall be responsible for ensuring current Virginia Board of Education Regulations relative to jointly operated schools and programs are adhered to. The Superintendents plan shall be referred to the Governance Committee no later than March 2021. The Governance Committee will review the Superintendent’s proposed plan and bring its recommendation to the Fairfax County School Board for final approval prior to implementation.

What is the status of the Regional Board?

There is none at the moment. Even if there is one, it will effectively be controlled by the FCPS board.

Seems like a problem?

Why?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/youngkin-thomas-jefferson-high-admissions/2021/11/29/168fd9c8-48b3-11ec-95dc-5f2a96e00fa3_story.html

Interesting article on the levers that Youngkin could (and could not) use to affect admissions to TJ.

One interesting thing in the article: The Washington Post apparently is unaware it is a fairytale that 25% of the class of 2025 is low income. As we all know now, this is based on free and reduced-price meals eligibility - something that is extremely gameable under the current free meals for all polcies. This is a self-reported measure and that every child can claim to be FARMS last year and this year. Prep companies are coaching parents to check yes for both of these boxes and FCPS is looking the other way since it makes them look good to be able to say 25% are FARMS.. A child that checks this box has a 40% chance of admission vs a child that does not check these boxes has a 10% chance.

Gross.

Youngkin can yell and scream and shout all he wants, but the reality is the levers of the TJ admissions process are controlled by the FCPS School Board. The opportunity to elect a new School Board will take place in November of 2023, by which point the admissions process - in whatever form it takes - will already be well underway for the TJ Class of 2028 to an extent that making changes (especially if they included a proctored exam) would threaten that class's ability to be seated on time. Recall petitions have failed. This is not Loudoun County, and the reality is that a HUGE portion of the "mama and papa bears" making a stink about TJ come from Loudoun anyway, and are centered in Ashburn, South Riding, and Brambleton.

I think most people understood it will take some time to counter the foolishness of the FCPS School Board. Voting out the current members of the School Board - the folks responsible for failing to ensure FCPS had a sound IT infrastructure, keeping kids out of schools when other districts and private schools were providing in-person education, making unnecessary changes to TJ admissions, indulging the likes of Karl Frisch and Elaine Tholen with their self-serving spending/boundary schemes, and failing to protect the PII of special education students - will be one important step in the right direction.

The "mama and papa bears" are everywhere in NoVa, even in Arlington, which is bluer than Fairfax. We've seen the incompetence and hypocrisy of School Board members up close now for the last two years, and it's eye-opening.

It's going to take a lot more astroturfing to elect a conservative board, but at least you're starting early.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/youngkin-thomas-jefferson-high-admissions/2021/11/29/168fd9c8-48b3-11ec-95dc-5f2a96e00fa3_story.html

Interesting article on the levers that Youngkin could (and could not) use to affect admissions to TJ.

One interesting thing in the article: The Washington Post apparently is unaware it is a fairytale that 25% of the class of 2025 is low income. As we all know now, this is based on free and reduced-price meals eligibility - something that is extremely gameable under the current free meals for all polcies. This is a self-reported measure and that every child can claim to be FARMS last year and this year. Prep companies are coaching parents to check yes for both of these boxes and FCPS is looking the other way since it makes them look good to be able to say 25% are FARMS.. A child that checks this box has a 40% chance of admission vs a child that does not check these boxes has a 10% chance.

Gross.

Youngkin can yell and scream and shout all he wants, but the reality is the levers of the TJ admissions process are controlled by the FCPS School Board. The opportunity to elect a new School Board will take place in November of 2023, by which point the admissions process - in whatever form it takes - will already be well underway for the TJ Class of 2028 to an extent that making changes (especially if they included a proctored exam) would threaten that class's ability to be seated on time. Recall petitions have failed. This is not Loudoun County, and the reality is that a HUGE portion of the "mama and papa bears" making a stink about TJ come from Loudoun anyway, and are centered in Ashburn, South Riding, and Brambleton.

I think most people understood it will take some time to counter the foolishness of the FCPS School Board. Voting out the current members of the School Board - the folks responsible for failing to ensure FCPS had a sound IT infrastructure, keeping kids out of schools when other districts and private schools were providing in-person education, making unnecessary changes to TJ admissions, indulging the likes of Karl Frisch and Elaine Tholen with their self-serving spending/boundary schemes, and failing to protect the PII of special education students - will be one important step in the right direction.

The "mama and papa bears" are everywhere in NoVa, even in Arlington, which is bluer than Fairfax. We've seen the incompetence and hypocrisy of School Board members up close now for the last two years, and it's eye-opening.

It's going to take a lot more astroturfing to elect a conservative board, but at least you're starting early.

LOL indeed. I noticed the Fairfax Democrats are begging people to join now; they've recently lost members and know the all-Democrat School Board has tarnished their image and helped Youngkin get elected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/youngkin-thomas-jefferson-high-admissions/2021/11/29/168fd9c8-48b3-11ec-95dc-5f2a96e00fa3_story.html

Interesting article on the levers that Youngkin could (and could not) use to affect admissions to TJ.

One interesting thing in the article: The Washington Post apparently is unaware it is a fairytale that 25% of the class of 2025 is low income. As we all know now, this is based on free and reduced-price meals eligibility - something that is extremely gameable under the current free meals for all polcies. This is a self-reported measure and that every child can claim to be FARMS last year and this year. Prep companies are coaching parents to check yes for both of these boxes and FCPS is looking the other way since it makes them look good to be able to say 25% are FARMS.. A child that checks this box has a 40% chance of admission vs a child that does not check these boxes has a 10% chance.

Gross.

Youngkin can yell and scream and shout all he wants, but the reality is the levers of the TJ admissions process are controlled by the FCPS School Board. The opportunity to elect a new School Board will take place in November of 2023, by which point the admissions process - in whatever form it takes - will already be well underway for the TJ Class of 2028 to an extent that making changes (especially if they included a proctored exam) would threaten that class's ability to be seated on time. Recall petitions have failed. This is not Loudoun County, and the reality is that a HUGE portion of the "mama and papa bears" making a stink about TJ come from Loudoun anyway, and are centered in Ashburn, South Riding, and Brambleton.

I think most people understood it will take some time to counter the foolishness of the FCPS School Board. Voting out the current members of the School Board - the folks responsible for failing to ensure FCPS had a sound IT infrastructure, keeping kids out of schools when other districts and private schools were providing in-person education, making unnecessary changes to TJ admissions, indulging the likes of Karl Frisch and Elaine Tholen with their self-serving spending/boundary schemes, and failing to protect the PII of special education students - will be one important step in the right direction.

The "mama and papa bears" are everywhere in NoVa, even in Arlington, which is bluer than Fairfax. We've seen the incompetence and hypocrisy of School Board members up close now for the last two years, and it's eye-opening.

It's going to take a lot more astroturfing to elect a conservative board, but at least you're starting early.

LOL indeed. I noticed the Fairfax Democrats are begging people to join now; they've recently lost members and know the all-Democrat School Board has tarnished their image and helped Youngkin get elected.

Youngkin lost in Fairfax County. But why let facts get in your way.

[Anonymous]

Qarni is fired. That alone makes the vote for Youngkin worth it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/youngkin-thomas-jefferson-high-admissions/2021/11/29/168fd9c8-48b3-11ec-95dc-5f2a96e00fa3_story.html

Interesting article on the levers that Youngkin could (and could not) use to affect admissions to TJ.

One interesting thing in the article: The Washington Post apparently is unaware it is a fairytale that 25% of the class of 2025 is low income. As we all know now, this is based on free and reduced-price meals eligibility - something that is extremely gameable under the current free meals for all polcies. This is a self-reported measure and that every child can claim to be FARMS last year and this year. Prep companies are coaching parents to check yes for both of these boxes and FCPS is looking the other way since it makes them look good to be able to say 25% are FARMS.. A child that checks this box has a 40% chance of admission vs a child that does not check these boxes has a 10% chance.

Gross.

Youngkin can yell and scream and shout all he wants, but the reality is the levers of the TJ admissions process are controlled by the FCPS School Board. The opportunity to elect a new School Board will take place in November of 2023, by which point the admissions process - in whatever form it takes - will already be well underway for the TJ Class of 2028 to an extent that making changes (especially if they included a proctored exam) would threaten that class's ability to be seated on time. Recall petitions have failed. This is not Loudoun County, and the reality is that a HUGE portion of the "mama and papa bears" making a stink about TJ come from Loudoun anyway, and are centered in Ashburn, South Riding, and Brambleton.

I think most people understood it will take some time to counter the foolishness of the FCPS School Board. Voting out the current members of the School Board - the folks responsible for failing to ensure FCPS had a sound IT infrastructure, keeping kids out of schools when other districts and private schools were providing in-person education, making unnecessary changes to TJ admissions, indulging the likes of Karl Frisch and Elaine Tholen with their self-serving spending/boundary schemes, and failing to protect the PII of special education students - will be one important step in the right direction.

The "mama and papa bears" are everywhere in NoVa, even in Arlington, which is bluer than Fairfax. We've seen the incompetence and hypocrisy of School Board members up close now for the last two years, and it's eye-opening.

It's going to take a lot more astroturfing to elect a conservative board, but at least you're starting early.

We've managed to sell the county the idea that Vern Williams was wrong about elite STEM education. Let's not bring up astroturfing.

[Anonymous]

I bet that if the admissions process, as applied, is discriminatory against a protected class, the Governor can do something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I bet that if the admissions process, as applied, is discriminatory against a protected class, the Governor can do something.

So they can return to the old system that would fail against the same suit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I bet that if the admissions process, as applied, is discriminatory against a protected class, the Governor can do something.

So they can return to the old system that would fail against the same suit?

2 wrongs don't make a right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Qarni is fired. That alone makes the vote for Youngkin worth it.

And Lisa Smith is gone. Those would be the two big TJ equity screamers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Qarni is fired. That alone makes the vote for Youngkin worth it.

And Lisa Smith is gone. Those would be the two big TJ equity screamers.

Lisa Williams was primarily responsible for all the “equity based changes” to the TJ admission policies:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1018356.page