Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act has passed!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This should have happened over the summer. But instead of reining in the caucus then, Biden and Pelosi cut the progressives and moderates too much slack -- allowing this damaging and unnecessary political debacle to take place. Sure, the infrastructure bill passed, but only because enough GOP members hopped on board. The division between moderates and progressives is still there.

The jury is still out on the budget reconciliation bill, which still has several hurdles in front of it -- both in the House and Senate.

The Ds need to get their act together fast. They've already damaged themselves politically as thousands of voters switched to GOP candidates in Virginia and New Jersey this past week.

Cant believe Pelosi folded. This bill guarantees 5 years of work for Trump voting steel and construction workers. Meanwhile the social spending bill is dead.

I still don’t understand why the rest of the GOP is against this bill. The other one I understand.

Yes you do. It's because it gives a win to Democrats. That's it. That's why.

Can we talk about the squad? I don't even know what to say other than, shaking my head, disappointed at them. It feels so self-defeating, what they are doing. If they want to be activists, get the heck out of Congress and go be organizers. If you're in Congress, it's because you are there to work on legislation.

I think the squad had a wake up call when Youngkin won. I suspect the party leaders have been lecturing the squad and potentially making deals to get them to fall in line.

They didn’t make any (meaningful) deals, they got browbeaten like recalcitrant children because they caused the defeat of an entire state’s leadership and the House of Delegates. They don’t care from their ‘safe’ districts but their neighbors abd fellow Congresspeople did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve never seen a less intelligent, less qualified group of politicians than the squad. They’ve accomplish absolutely nothing during their tenure and seem to view their jobs as being yammering mouthpieces of the professional protester class. Disgusting losers.

Marjorie Taylor Greene comes to mind but I agree. They need to be stripped of committee assignments and ignored.

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“America” does not want both bills. Many more people are against the second bill.

Au contraire

Navigator
https://navigatorresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Navigator-Update-09.21.2021.pdf
West Virginia
https://www.filesforprogress.org/memos/bbb-wv.pdf
Hart Research
https://d3jpbvtfqku4tu.cloudfront.net/img/Hart-SEIU-Home-Care-Poll-Sept-2021.pdf
Fox News
https://static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2021/09/Fox_September-12-15_National_Topline_September-19-Release.pdf
Pew
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/09/23/biden-loses-ground-with-the-public-on-issues-personal-traits-and-job-approval/
Morning Consult/Politico
https://morningconsult.com/2021/09/22/house-democrats-tax-plan-raising-taxes-wealthy-corporations-poll/


So other than your opinion, where is your proof that the majority of Americans oppose BBB?

Also remember, what percentage of Americans do the Dems represent in the House and Senate as compared to the GOP? How many votes did Biden win in the 2020 election?

He RAN on this agenda and won handily, and now he is delivering for the American people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just shows you how many stupid political games Pelosi and the Dems were playing. Funny how they passed it lightning fast after getting demolished at the elections. They desperately want to stop the bleeding. They could have passed it all along with out the crap social infrastructure bill.

150 GOP could have joined with the rank and file Dems to pass it 2 months ago too, but that didn't happen either. Why blame the fringes of either part?

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The delay is the fault of the GOP because delaying and outright obstruction are all they have to offer. Someone upthread said this was a panic move from the Democrats because of “the bleeding” (I know someone who only watches right wing propaganda!); this was the GOP finally folding after the elections were done.

Fun fact: The dems did better on Tuesday's election than any other first year post-presidential election in generations. Yes, they "lost" Virginia, but they did really well otherwise. THAT isn't how things are being reported.

They only did well in cities and districts that are so blue they’re essentially non-competitive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This should have happened over the summer. But instead of reining in the caucus then, Biden and Pelosi cut the progressives and moderates too much slack -- allowing this damaging and unnecessary political debacle to take place. Sure, the infrastructure bill passed, but only because enough GOP members hopped on board. The division between moderates and progressives is still there.

The jury is still out on the budget reconciliation bill, which still has several hurdles in front of it -- both in the House and Senate.

The Ds need to get their act together fast. They've already damaged themselves politically as thousands of voters switched to GOP candidates in Virginia and New Jersey this past week.

Cant believe Pelosi folded. This bill guarantees 5 years of work for Trump voting steel and construction workers. Meanwhile the social spending bill is dead.

I still don’t understand why the rest of the GOP is against this bill. The other one I understand.

Yes you do. It's because it gives a win to Democrats. That's it. That's why.

Can we talk about the squad? I don't even know what to say other than, shaking my head, disappointed at them. It feels so self-defeating, what they are doing. If they want to be activists, get the heck out of Congress and go be organizers. If you're in Congress, it's because you are there to work on legislation.

I think the squad had a wake up call when Youngkin won. I suspect the party leaders have been lecturing the squad and potentially making deals to get them to fall in line.

But they didn't fall in line - they voted against the bill!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This should have happened over the summer. But instead of reining in the caucus then, Biden and Pelosi cut the progressives and moderates too much slack -- allowing this damaging and unnecessary political debacle to take place. Sure, the infrastructure bill passed, but only because enough GOP members hopped on board. The division between moderates and progressives is still there.

The jury is still out on the budget reconciliation bill, which still has several hurdles in front of it -- both in the House and Senate.

The Ds need to get their act together fast. They've already damaged themselves politically as thousands of voters switched to GOP candidates in Virginia and New Jersey this past week.

The Squad would have voted for it if there weren't GOP votes. Don't kid yourself.

No I watched the vote live - only Ayanns Pressley waited til the bill passed with enough votes to down vote it. The Squad is worse than a GOP - they will kill a package with broad party support which hasn’t been seen in decades because it doesn’t have their toys in it. Not only are they unable to get any legislation passed (check their voting history) they’re dangerous because they’re willing to hold up GOOD legislation for 90 days and still not vote it through.

And the GOP’s failure to get in line with what America wants - both bills, that is - is, what? “Boys will be boys”?

“America” does not want both bills. Many more people are against the second bill.

Link?

Because all of the polling I have seen suggests that the provisions in the BBB hve uniform 65-70% support nationwide.

The PP is right. We did not sign up for the social welfare bills. Just normalcy. Glad to see the moderates and independents once more having a voice in the party.

For many voters — especially those who don’t vote regularly — the 2020 election was about removing Mr. Trump from the White House. It was less about policy or ideology. Mr. Biden did not win the Democratic primary because he promised a progressive revolution. There were plenty of other candidates doing that. He captured the nomination — and the presidency — because he promised an exhausted nation a return to sanity, decency and competence. “Nobody elected him to be F.D.R.,” Representative Abigail Spanberger, a moderate Democrat from Virginia, told The Times after Tuesday’s drubbing. “They elected him to be normal and stop the chaos.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve never seen a less intelligent, less qualified group of politicians than the squad. They’ve accomplish absolutely nothing during their tenure and seem to view their jobs as being yammering mouthpieces of the professional protester class. Disgusting losers.

Marjorie Taylor Greene comes to mind but I agree. They need to be stripped of committee assignments and ignored.

Agree about Greene but thankfully there’s only one of her!

[Anonymous]

I keep harping on the squad - but you know what? I'm just happy this bill got passed. Thank you Dems - and Rs who stepped up for what is good for the country, even if it delivers a victory to the other party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

“America” does not want both bills. Many more people are against the second bill.

Au contraire

So other than your opinion, where is your proof that the majority of Americans oppose BBB?

Also remember, what percentage of Americans do the Dems represent in the House and Senate as compared to the GOP? How many votes did Biden win in the 2020 election?

He RAN on this agenda and won handily, and now he is delivering for the American people.

He ran on whatever. He won because he wasn’t Trump.

And I’m sure if you polled Americans and asked them if they wanted $1 million deposited into their accounts they’d say YES. Doesn’t make it fiscal policy that anyone sane would support.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve never seen a less intelligent, less qualified group of politicians than the squad. They’ve accomplish absolutely nothing during their tenure and seem to view their jobs as being yammering mouthpieces of the professional protester class. Disgusting losers.

Marjorie Taylor Greene comes to mind but I agree. They need to be stripped of committee assignments and ignored.

Agree about Greene but thankfully there’s only one of her!

there are a few on the extreme right.. Hawley, Boebert (I'm sure I did not spell her name right).... extremism on both sides (yes, both sides) is going to kill this country.

Politics is all about compromise. I agree with a PP who stated that if those politicians are not willing to compromise to get things done then go be community organizers and mouthpieces for some media. Let the grown ups keep the country runnning.

-moderate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just shows you how many stupid political games Pelosi and the Dems were playing. Funny how they passed it lightning fast after getting demolished at the elections. They desperately want to stop the bleeding. They could have passed it all along with out the crap social infrastructure bill.

150 GOP could have joined with the rank and file Dems to pass it 2 months ago too, but that didn't happen either. Why blame the fringes of either part?

+1
The delay is the fault of the GOP because delaying and outright obstruction are all they have to offer. Someone upthread said this was a panic move from the Democrats because of “the bleeding” (I know someone who only watches right wing propaganda!); this was the GOP finally folding after the elections were done.

Fun fact: The dems did better on Tuesday's election than any other first year post-presidential election in generations. Yes, they "lost" Virginia, but they did really well otherwise. THAT isn't how things are being reported.

They only did well in cities and districts that are so blue they’re essentially non-competitive.

So only uncompetitve "red" districts count?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

“America” does not want both bills. Many more people are against the second bill.

Au contraire

So other than your opinion, where is your proof that the majority of Americans oppose BBB?

Also remember, what percentage of Americans do the Dems represent in the House and Senate as compared to the GOP? How many votes did Biden win in the 2020 election?

He RAN on this agenda and won handily, and now he is delivering for the American people.

He ran on whatever. He won because he wasn’t Trump.

And I’m sure if you polled Americans and asked them if they wanted $1 million deposited into their accounts they’d say YES. Doesn’t make it fiscal policy that anyone sane would support.

Well its a good thing that there isn't a provision to dump a million dollars into every American's account then, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve never seen a less intelligent, less qualified group of politicians than the squad. They’ve accomplish absolutely nothing during their tenure and seem to view their jobs as being yammering mouthpieces of the professional protester class. Disgusting losers.

Marjorie Taylor Greene comes to mind but I agree. They need to be stripped of committee assignments and ignored.

Agree about Greene but thankfully there’s only one of her!

Boebert, Gosar Biggs, Jordan, Gaetz, I could go on, but there are plenty of very unserious GOP in the caucus these days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

“America” does not want both bills. Many more people are against the second bill.

Au contraire

So other than your opinion, where is your proof that the majority of Americans oppose BBB?

Also remember, what percentage of Americans do the Dems represent in the House and Senate as compared to the GOP? How many votes did Biden win in the 2020 election?

He RAN on this agenda and won handily, and now he is delivering for the American people.

He ran on whatever. He won because he wasn’t Trump.

And I’m sure if you polled Americans and asked them if they wanted $1 million deposited into their accounts they’d say YES. Doesn’t make it fiscal policy that anyone sane would support.

Well its a good thing that there isn't a provision to dump a million dollars into every American's account then, right?

There will be in 2022 if the Squad is let loose again.

[Anonymous]

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The PP is right. We did not sign up for the social welfare bills. Just normalcy. Glad to see the moderates and independents once more having a voice in the party.

Look at the polling. The BBB is enjoying uniform support across political parties and across the country.

AND

It is more fiscally responsible than the infrastructure bill that passed last night.

Facts are important.