ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:Parents threaten to leave all the time. Most then learn they have no leverage and then decide to stay with what's offered because maybe the club is right about the kid's talents/ability and it's often too hard to change clubs.

And the club will get a reputation for forcing players to play down. Which will mean that Aug and younger players will avoid the club. Or parents will make it clear when trying out that they wont allow their kid to play on a grade down team.

Or just adopt a policy that Aug and younger players will play with their grade team. Be it A or B team.

How has this guy not been banned yet?

Unfortunate but they don't ban based on repeated delusional, ignorant comments. In his head he has created an alternate reality where he is right simply so his DD can have an easier path and no amount of facts will dissuade him. Heck he hasn't even been able to come up with alternate "facts" from anywhere and he still thinks he is right. He actually said at one point that officials are making decisions based on his comments in DCUM.

This is my first forum and I am guessing that that every one is ruined by someone like him.

Guessing that the mods actually don't care that the conversation is garbage as long as it seems like it has active for the advertisers.

You realize that Arlington just updated their BY to SY FAQ to address the Aug-Sept younger player issue.

They did this because its an issue and will continue to be an issue until leagues provide some type of guidance.

That's the delusional part. They still say everybody plays on age, best can play up. Nobody forced up. Nothing changed.

They updated the FAQ and added a section about Aug-Sept younger birthdays last night. They did this because they realized that its an issue.

Arlington added "School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation" seems like theyre acknowledging grade in school could be a deciding factor in which team they place players.

They didn't change anything, you are relying on may/seems/could.

These still stand;

"Q: How does this affect my player if they’re born in August–December?

A: These players are most likely to shift age groups. "


"Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team."

Why do you lie?

Q: Can a player born between August 1 and September 30 play up if they are in the higher school grade?

A: School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation, but the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria including the player’s skill, maturity, and readiness for the older age group. Grade alone does not guarantee that a player will play up.

You can't even read your own rubbish properly - the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria -

But then why does it say....

School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation

This is because if a player wants to play in College they need to be with thier grade even if its with a second or third team. If the players doesnt want to ball in college they can play down but it prolly will not be at the expense of a kid playing at grade on a first team. They will find themselves at a smaller club and not in the ECNL world.

Thank you! Exactly correct. 🙌

It would have saved you effort to group the last 4 posts into one instead of constantly parroting yourself.

Stats show odds increase on chances to play in college if you are the oldest in the age group and least if you are the youngest. Clubs make these decisions and they pick age with the best of the best getting an opportunity to play up.

You should stop giving advise.

Stop giving advice?

Thats rich comming from the guy that wants GY Showcases and thinks screwing over players so they're unrecruitable by college coaches are both good things.

If they follow your advice, they might also lose out because they're now the youngest in the age group.

Thats why you play on the B team with players your grade. You'll get more touches and opportunities to play different positions. Once you get to u14/u15 for girls RAE doesnt matter anymore and the oldest players in the groupings start fading out.

BUT you get the same touches playing on the A team with your age and MORE visibility and likely better coaching/competition. It's all about player development and not everyone takes the same path or should. That's why a hard rule won't work.

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And the club will get a reputation for forcing players to play down. Which will mean that Aug and younger players will avoid the club. Or parents will make it clear when trying out that they wont allow their kid to play on a grade down team.

Or just adopt a policy that Aug and younger players will play with their grade team. Be it A or B team.[/quote]

How has this guy not been banned yet?[/quote] Unfortunate but they don't ban based on repeated delusional, ignorant comments. In his head he has created an alternate reality where he is right simply so his DD can have an easier path and no amount of facts will dissuade him. Heck he hasn't even been able to come up with alternate "facts" from anywhere and he still thinks he is right. He actually said at one point that officials are making decisions based on his comments in DCUM.

This is my first forum and I am guessing that that every one is ruined by someone like him.

Guessing that the mods actually don't care that the conversation is garbage as long as it seems like it has active for the advertisers.[/quote]
You realize that Arlington just updated their BY to SY FAQ to address the Aug-Sept younger player issue.

They did this because its an issue and will continue to be an issue until leagues provide some type of guidance.[/quote]That's the delusional part. They still say everybody plays on age, best can play up. Nobody forced up. Nothing changed.[/quote]
They updated the FAQ and added a section about Aug-Sept younger birthdays last night. They did this because they realized that its an issue.[/quote]
Arlington added "School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation" seems like theyre acknowledging grade in school could be a deciding factor in which team they place players.[/quote] They didn't change anything, you are relying on may/seems/could.

These still stand;

"Q: How does this affect my player if they’re born in August–December?

A: These players are most likely to shift age groups. "


"Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team."[/quote]
Why do you lie?

Q: Can a player born between August 1 and September 30 play up if they are in the higher school grade?

A: [b]School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation[/b], but the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria including the player’s skill, maturity, and readiness for the older age group. Grade alone does not guarantee that a player will play up.[/quote]You can't even read your own rubbish properly - the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria -[/quote]
But then why does it say....

School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation[/quote]


This is because if a player wants to play in College they need to be with thier grade even if its with a second or third team. If the players doesnt want to ball in college they can play down but it prolly will not be at the expense of a kid playing at grade on a first team. They will find themselves at a smaller club and not in the ECNL world.[/quote]
Thank you! Exactly correct. 🙌[/quote]It would have saved you effort to group the last 4 posts into one instead of constantly parroting yourself.

Stats show odds increase on chances to play in college if you are the oldest in the age group and least if you are the youngest. Clubs make these decisions and they pick age with the best of the best getting an opportunity to play up.

You should stop giving advise.[/quote]
Stop giving advice?

Thats rich comming from the guy that wants GY Showcases and thinks screwing over players so they're unrecruitable by college coaches are both good things.[/quote]

If they follow your advice, they might also lose out because they're now the youngest in the age group.[/quote]
Thats why you play on the B team with players your grade. You'll get more touches and opportunities to play different positions. Once you get to u14/u15 for girls RAE doesnt matter anymore and the oldest players in the groupings start fading out.[/quote]

BUT you get the same touches playing on the A team with your age and MORE visibility and likely better coaching/competition. It's all about player development and not everyone takes the same path or should. That's why a hard rule won't work.[/quote]
Other parents on that team wont want a short timer that isnt good enough to play on the A team thats their grade on the A team a grade down. It will be a negative experience all round.

Wait until the other players start calling your kid Aunt ot Uncle whatever their name is because thayre playing down. Or the other parents "forget" to invite you to team dinners because they thing youre a loser for playing down.

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Other parents on that team wont want a short timer that isnt good enough to play on the A team thats their grade on the A team a grade down. It will be a negative experience all round.

Wait until the other players start calling your kid Aunt ot Uncle whatever their name is because thayre playing down. Or the other parents "forget" to invite you to team dinners because they thing youre a loser for playing down.

[Anonymous]

Dont get the debate, if your goal is college soccer with 28 roster spots, your kid will need to be able to ball against kids up to 4yrs older . So if you are sweating a couple months and getting moved up or down a year you have got bigger problems, go train and get better so you can compete.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents threaten to leave all the time. Most then learn they have no leverage and then decide to stay with what's offered because maybe the club is right about the kid's talents/ability and it's often too hard to change clubs.

And the club will get a reputation for forcing players to play down. Which will mean that Aug and younger players will avoid the club. Or parents will make it clear when trying out that they wont allow their kid to play on a grade down team.

Or just adopt a policy that Aug and younger players will play with their grade team. Be it A or B team.

How has this guy not been banned yet?

Unfortunate but they don't ban based on repeated delusional, ignorant comments. In his head he has created an alternate reality where he is right simply so his DD can have an easier path and no amount of facts will dissuade him. Heck he hasn't even been able to come up with alternate "facts" from anywhere and he still thinks he is right. He actually said at one point that officials are making decisions based on his comments in DCUM.

This is my first forum and I am guessing that that every one is ruined by someone like him.

Guessing that the mods actually don't care that the conversation is garbage as long as it seems like it has active for the advertisers.

You realize that Arlington just updated their BY to SY FAQ to address the Aug-Sept younger player issue.

They did this because its an issue and will continue to be an issue until leagues provide some type of guidance.

That's the delusional part. They still say everybody plays on age, best can play up. Nobody forced up. Nothing changed.

They updated the FAQ and added a section about Aug-Sept younger birthdays last night. They did this because they realized that its an issue.

Arlington added "School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation" seems like theyre acknowledging grade in school could be a deciding factor in which team they place players.

They didn't change anything, you are relying on may/seems/could.

These still stand;

"Q: How does this affect my player if they’re born in August–December?

A: These players are most likely to shift age groups. "


"Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team."

Why do you lie?

Q: Can a player born between August 1 and September 30 play up if they are in the higher school grade?

A: School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation, but the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria including the player’s skill, maturity, and readiness for the older age group. Grade alone does not guarantee that a player will play up.

You can't even read your own rubbish properly - the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria -

But then why does it say....

School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation

This is because if a player wants to play in College they need to be with thier grade even if its with a second or third team. If the players doesnt want to ball in college they can play down but it prolly will not be at the expense of a kid playing at grade on a first team. They will find themselves at a smaller club and not in the ECNL world.

Thank you! Exactly correct. 🙌

It would have saved you effort to group the last 4 posts into one instead of constantly parroting yourself.

Stats show odds increase on chances to play in college if you are the oldest in the age group and least if you are the youngest. Clubs make these decisions and they pick age with the best of the best getting an opportunity to play up.

You should stop giving advise.

Stop giving advice?

Thats rich comming from the guy that wants GY Showcases and thinks screwing over players so they're unrecruitable by college coaches are both good things.

If they follow your advice, they might also lose out because they're now the youngest in the age group.

Thats why you play on the B team with players your grade. You'll get more touches and opportunities to play different positions. Once you get to u14/u15 for girls RAE doesnt matter anymore and the oldest players in the groupings start fading out.

Pick A team over B team every time.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents threaten to leave all the time. Most then learn they have no leverage and then decide to stay with what's offered because maybe the club is right about the kid's talents/ability and it's often too hard to change clubs.

And the club will get a reputation for forcing players to play down. Which will mean that Aug and younger players will avoid the club. Or parents will make it clear when trying out that they wont allow their kid to play on a grade down team.

Or just adopt a policy that Aug and younger players will play with their grade team. Be it A or B team.

How has this guy not been banned yet?

Unfortunate but they don't ban based on repeated delusional, ignorant comments. In his head he has created an alternate reality where he is right simply so his DD can have an easier path and no amount of facts will dissuade him. Heck he hasn't even been able to come up with alternate "facts" from anywhere and he still thinks he is right. He actually said at one point that officials are making decisions based on his comments in DCUM.

This is my first forum and I am guessing that that every one is ruined by someone like him.

Guessing that the mods actually don't care that the conversation is garbage as long as it seems like it has active for the advertisers.

You realize that Arlington just updated their BY to SY FAQ to address the Aug-Sept younger player issue.

They did this because its an issue and will continue to be an issue until leagues provide some type of guidance.

That's the delusional part. They still say everybody plays on age, best can play up. Nobody forced up. Nothing changed.

They updated the FAQ and added a section about Aug-Sept younger birthdays last night. They did this because they realized that its an issue.

Arlington added "School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation" seems like theyre acknowledging grade in school could be a deciding factor in which team they place players.

They didn't change anything, you are relying on may/seems/could.

These still stand;

"Q: How does this affect my player if they’re born in August–December?

A: These players are most likely to shift age groups. "


"Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team."

Why do you lie?

Q: Can a player born between August 1 and September 30 play up if they are in the higher school grade?

A: School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation, but the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria including the player’s skill, maturity, and readiness for the older age group. Grade alone does not guarantee that a player will play up.

You can't even read your own rubbish properly - the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria -

But then why does it say....

School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation

May but the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dont get the debate, if your goal is college soccer with 28 roster spots, your kid will need to be able to ball against kids up to 4yrs older . So if you are sweating a couple months and getting moved up or down a year you have got bigger problems, go train and get better so you can compete.

Correct. The issue here is that a HS Sophmore would be trying to get recruited while playing on a Freshman team.

College coaches want players that can play up and contribute day one against sometimes 4 years or older players.

This is why playing down on a grade lower team makes players unrecruitable for college coaches.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents threaten to leave all the time. Most then learn they have no leverage and then decide to stay with what's offered because maybe the club is right about the kid's talents/ability and it's often too hard to change clubs.

And the club will get a reputation for forcing players to play down. Which will mean that Aug and younger players will avoid the club. Or parents will make it clear when trying out that they wont allow their kid to play on a grade down team.

Or just adopt a policy that Aug and younger players will play with their grade team. Be it A or B team.

How has this guy not been banned yet?

Unfortunate but they don't ban based on repeated delusional, ignorant comments. In his head he has created an alternate reality where he is right simply so his DD can have an easier path and no amount of facts will dissuade him. Heck he hasn't even been able to come up with alternate "facts" from anywhere and he still thinks he is right. He actually said at one point that officials are making decisions based on his comments in DCUM.

This is my first forum and I am guessing that that every one is ruined by someone like him.

Guessing that the mods actually don't care that the conversation is garbage as long as it seems like it has active for the advertisers.

You realize that Arlington just updated their BY to SY FAQ to address the Aug-Sept younger player issue.

They did this because its an issue and will continue to be an issue until leagues provide some type of guidance.

That's the delusional part. They still say everybody plays on age, best can play up. Nobody forced up. Nothing changed.

They updated the FAQ and added a section about Aug-Sept younger birthdays last night. They did this because they realized that its an issue.

Arlington added "School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation" seems like theyre acknowledging grade in school could be a deciding factor in which team they place players.

They didn't change anything, you are relying on may/seems/could.

These still stand;

"Q: How does this affect my player if they’re born in August–December?

A: These players are most likely to shift age groups. "


"Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team."

Why do you lie?

Q: Can a player born between August 1 and September 30 play up if they are in the higher school grade?

A: School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation, but the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria including the player’s skill, maturity, and readiness for the older age group. Grade alone does not guarantee that a player will play up.

You can't even read your own rubbish properly - the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria -

But then why does it say....

School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation

This is because if a player wants to play in College they need to be with thier grade even if its with a second or third team. If the players doesnt want to ball in college they can play down but it prolly will not be at the expense of a kid playing at grade on a first team. They will find themselves at a smaller club and not in the ECNL world.

Now make sure you explain to other parents how playing down a grade in club soccer screws over players looking to play in college by making them unrecruitable for college coaches.

Our club had a meeting about BY -> SY with the team managers and they tried to explain how things would go. Multiple team managers asked the same questions about playing down and rcollege ecruitment. The club didnt have an answer but said they would get back to the team managers about it shortly. They never did.

So be careful with your kids. I don't believe clubs are intentionally looking to screw players over. I just dont think they've thought through all the repercussions that playing on a grade down team involves.

It's a fair question and grade should be a factor BUT not THE factor. Arlington has it right. Grade shouldn't be a magic ticket to play up.

The opposite of that statement is that Age shouldn't be a magic ticket for playing on a grade down A team.

Teams won't let players play down, you have to play on age.

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Parents threaten to leave all the time. Most then learn they have no leverage and then decide to stay with what's offered because maybe the club is right about the kid's talents/ability and it's often too hard to change clubs.[/quote]
And the club will get a reputation for forcing players to play down. Which will mean that Aug and younger players will avoid the club. Or parents will make it clear when trying out that they wont allow their kid to play on a grade down team.

Or just adopt a policy that Aug and younger players will play with their grade team. Be it A or B team.[/quote]

How has this guy not been banned yet?[/quote] Unfortunate but they don't ban based on repeated delusional, ignorant comments. In his head he has created an alternate reality where he is right simply so his DD can have an easier path and no amount of facts will dissuade him. Heck he hasn't even been able to come up with alternate "facts" from anywhere and he still thinks he is right. He actually said at one point that officials are making decisions based on his comments in DCUM.

This is my first forum and I am guessing that that every one is ruined by someone like him.

Guessing that the mods actually don't care that the conversation is garbage as long as it seems like it has active for the advertisers.[/quote]
You realize that Arlington just updated their BY to SY FAQ to address the Aug-Sept younger player issue.

They did this because its an issue and will continue to be an issue until leagues provide some type of guidance.[/quote]That's the delusional part. They still say everybody plays on age, best can play up. Nobody forced up. Nothing changed.[/quote]
They updated the FAQ and added a section about Aug-Sept younger birthdays last night. They did this because they realized that its an issue.[/quote]
Arlington added "School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation" seems like theyre acknowledging grade in school could be a deciding factor in which team they place players.[/quote] They didn't change anything, you are relying on may/seems/could.

These still stand;

"Q: How does this affect my player if they’re born in August–December?

A: These players are most likely to shift age groups. "


"Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team."[/quote]
Why do you lie?

Q: Can a player born between August 1 and September 30 play up if they are in the higher school grade?

A: [b]School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation[/b], but the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria including the player’s skill, maturity, and readiness for the older age group. Grade alone does not guarantee that a player will play up.[/quote]You can't even read your own rubbish properly - the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria -[/quote]
But then why does it say....

School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation[/quote]


This is because if a player wants to play in College they need to be with thier grade even if its with a second or third team. If the players doesnt want to ball in college they can play down but it prolly will not be at the expense of a kid playing at grade on a first team. They will find themselves at a smaller club and not in the ECNL world.[/quote]
Thank you! Exactly correct. 🙌[/quote]It would have saved you effort to group the last 4 posts into one instead of constantly parroting yourself.

Stats show odds increase on chances to play in college if you are the oldest in the age group and least if you are the youngest. Clubs make these decisions and they pick age with the best of the best getting an opportunity to play up.

You should stop giving advise.[/quote]
Stop giving advice?

Thats rich comming from the guy that wants GY Showcases and thinks screwing over players so they're unrecruitable by college coaches are both good things.[/quote]

If they follow your advice, they might also lose out because they're now the youngest in the age group.[/quote]
Thats why you play on the B team with players your grade. You'll get more touches and opportunities to play different positions. Once you get to u14/u15 for girls RAE doesnt matter anymore and the oldest players in the groupings start fading out.[/quote]

BUT you get the same touches playing on the A team with your age and MORE visibility and likely better coaching/competition. It's all about player development and not everyone takes the same path or should. That's why a hard rule won't work.[/quote]
Other parents on that team wont want a short timer that isnt good enough to play on the A team thats their grade on the A team a grade down. It will be a negative experience all round.

Wait until the other players start calling your kid Aunt ot Uncle whatever their name is because thayre playing down. Or the other parents "forget" to invite you to team dinners because they thing youre a loser for playing down.[/quote]Should go w/o saying but never pick a team for your kid based on whether other parents like you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dont get the debate, if your goal is college soccer with 28 roster spots, your kid will need to be able to ball against kids up to 4yrs older . So if you are sweating a couple months and getting moved up or down a year you have got bigger problems, go train and get better so you can compete.

There really isn't a debate. Their is one parent trying to bully kids to play up on grade to snowplow for his daughter. Yeah, colleges get international players, they know what they are doing.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents threaten to leave all the time. Most then learn they have no leverage and then decide to stay with what's offered because maybe the club is right about the kid's talents/ability and it's often too hard to change clubs.

And the club will get a reputation for forcing players to play down. Which will mean that Aug and younger players will avoid the club. Or parents will make it clear when trying out that they wont allow their kid to play on a grade down team.

Or just adopt a policy that Aug and younger players will play with their grade team. Be it A or B team.

How has this guy not been banned yet?

Unfortunate but they don't ban based on repeated delusional, ignorant comments. In his head he has created an alternate reality where he is right simply so his DD can have an easier path and no amount of facts will dissuade him. Heck he hasn't even been able to come up with alternate "facts" from anywhere and he still thinks he is right. He actually said at one point that officials are making decisions based on his comments in DCUM.

This is my first forum and I am guessing that that every one is ruined by someone like him.

Guessing that the mods actually don't care that the conversation is garbage as long as it seems like it has active for the advertisers.

You realize that Arlington just updated their BY to SY FAQ to address the Aug-Sept younger player issue.

They did this because its an issue and will continue to be an issue until leagues provide some type of guidance.

That's the delusional part. They still say everybody plays on age, best can play up. Nobody forced up. Nothing changed.

They updated the FAQ and added a section about Aug-Sept younger birthdays last night. They did this because they realized that its an issue.

Arlington added "School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation" seems like theyre acknowledging grade in school could be a deciding factor in which team they place players.

They didn't change anything, you are relying on may/seems/could.

These still stand;

"Q: How does this affect my player if they’re born in August–December?

A: These players are most likely to shift age groups. "


"Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team."

Why do you lie?

Q: Can a player born between August 1 and September 30 play up if they are in the higher school grade?

A: School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation, but the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria including the player’s skill, maturity, and readiness for the older age group. Grade alone does not guarantee that a player will play up.

You can't even read your own rubbish properly - the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria -

But then why does it say....

School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation

This is because if a player wants to play in College they need to be with thier grade even if its with a second or third team. If the players doesnt want to ball in college they can play down but it prolly will not be at the expense of a kid playing at grade on a first team. They will find themselves at a smaller club and not in the ECNL world.

Now make sure you explain to other parents how playing down a grade in club soccer screws over players looking to play in college by making them unrecruitable for college coaches.

Our club had a meeting about BY -> SY with the team managers and they tried to explain how things would go. Multiple team managers asked the same questions about playing down and rcollege ecruitment. The club didnt have an answer but said they would get back to the team managers about it shortly. They never did.

So be careful with your kids. I don't believe clubs are intentionally looking to screw players over. I just dont think they've thought through all the repercussions that playing on a grade down team involves.

It's a fair question and grade should be a factor BUT not THE factor. Arlington has it right. Grade shouldn't be a magic ticket to play up.

The opposite of that statement is that Age shouldn't be a magic ticket for playing on a grade down A team.

Teams won't let players play down, you have to play on age.

Players that are young and born Aug Sept can be either grade. in this situation clubs should put players on an A or B team thats their grade in school. (not a grade down team)

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Anonymous wrote:Dont get the debate, if your goal is college soccer with 28 roster spots, your kid will need to be able to ball against kids up to 4yrs older . So if you are sweating a couple months and getting moved up or down a year you have got bigger problems, go train and get better so you can compete.

There really isn't a debate. Their is one parent trying to bully kids to play up on grade to snowplow for his daughter. Yeah, colleges get international players, they know what they are doing.

Theres no snowplow just pointing out the fact that playing on a grade down team makes players unrecruitable. Many parents dont realise this and trust that clubs wont screw their kid over this way. Its better to have some knowledge so you dont get into that situation.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents threaten to leave all the time. Most then learn they have no leverage and then decide to stay with what's offered because maybe the club is right about the kid's talents/ability and it's often too hard to change clubs.

And the club will get a reputation for forcing players to play down. Which will mean that Aug and younger players will avoid the club. Or parents will make it clear when trying out that they wont allow their kid to play on a grade down team.

Or just adopt a policy that Aug and younger players will play with their grade team. Be it A or B team.

How has this guy not been banned yet?

Unfortunate but they don't ban based on repeated delusional, ignorant comments. In his head he has created an alternate reality where he is right simply so his DD can have an easier path and no amount of facts will dissuade him. Heck he hasn't even been able to come up with alternate "facts" from anywhere and he still thinks he is right. He actually said at one point that officials are making decisions based on his comments in DCUM.

This is my first forum and I am guessing that that every one is ruined by someone like him.

Guessing that the mods actually don't care that the conversation is garbage as long as it seems like it has active for the advertisers.

You realize that Arlington just updated their BY to SY FAQ to address the Aug-Sept younger player issue.

They did this because its an issue and will continue to be an issue until leagues provide some type of guidance.

That's the delusional part. They still say everybody plays on age, best can play up. Nobody forced up. Nothing changed.

They updated the FAQ and added a section about Aug-Sept younger birthdays last night. They did this because they realized that its an issue.

Arlington added "School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation" seems like theyre acknowledging grade in school could be a deciding factor in which team they place players.

They didn't change anything, you are relying on may/seems/could.

These still stand;

"Q: How does this affect my player if they’re born in August–December?

A: These players are most likely to shift age groups. "


"Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team."

Why do you lie?

Q: Can a player born between August 1 and September 30 play up if they are in the higher school grade?

A: School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation, but the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria including the player’s skill, maturity, and readiness for the older age group. Grade alone does not guarantee that a player will play up.

You can't even read your own rubbish properly - the decision to allow a player to play up is ultimately based on technical criteria -

But then why does it say....

School grade may be considered as part of the evaluation

This is because if a player wants to play in College they need to be with thier grade even if its with a second or third team. If the players doesnt want to ball in college they can play down but it prolly will not be at the expense of a kid playing at grade on a first team. They will find themselves at a smaller club and not in the ECNL world.

Now make sure you explain to other parents how playing down a grade in club soccer screws over players looking to play in college by making them unrecruitable for college coaches.

Our club had a meeting about BY -> SY with the team managers and they tried to explain how things would go. Multiple team managers asked the same questions about playing down and rcollege ecruitment. The club didnt have an answer but said they would get back to the team managers about it shortly. They never did.

So be careful with your kids. I don't believe clubs are intentionally looking to screw players over. I just dont think they've thought through all the repercussions that playing on a grade down team involves.

It's a fair question and grade should be a factor BUT not THE factor. Arlington has it right. Grade shouldn't be a magic ticket to play up.

The opposite of that statement is that Age shouldn't be a magic ticket for playing on a grade down A team.

Teams won't let players play down, you have to play on age.

Players that are young and born Aug Sept can be either grade. in this situation clubs should put players on an A or B team thats their grade in school. (not a grade down team)

Not according to Arlington and ECNL
Have one that is forcing kids up?

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Anonymous wrote:Dont get the debate, if your goal is college soccer with 28 roster spots, your kid will need to be able to ball against kids up to 4yrs older . So if you are sweating a couple months and getting moved up or down a year you have got bigger problems, go train and get better so you can compete.

There really isn't a debate. Their is one parent trying to bully kids to play up on grade to snowplow for his daughter. Yeah, colleges get international players, they know what they are doing.

Theres no snowplow just pointing out the fact that playing on a grade down team makes players unrecruitable. Many parents dont realise this and trust that clubs wont screw their kid over this way. Its better to have some knowledge so you dont get into that situation.

You are snowplowing. People can make their own decisions that you don't agree with, it's ok.

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Anonymous wrote:Dont get the debate, if your goal is college soccer with 28 roster spots, your kid will need to be able to ball against kids up to 4yrs older . So if you are sweating a couple months and getting moved up or down a year you have got bigger problems, go train and get better so you can compete.

There really isn't a debate. Their is one parent trying to bully kids to play up on grade to snowplow for his daughter. Yeah, colleges get international players, they know what they are doing.

Theres no snowplow just pointing out the fact that playing on a grade down team makes players unrecruitable. Many parents dont realise this and trust that clubs wont screw their kid over this way. Its better to have some knowledge so you dont get into that situation.

You are snowplowing. People can make their own decisions that you don't agree with, it's ok.

The only person snowplowing is you + trying to say that playjng down a grade is normal. Its not.