ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:From M club
Can a player play up an age group?

Yes, a player may be chosen to play up. The decision on player placement is made by coaching staff and technical leadership with several factors in mind - player skill level, soccer maturity, current development level, predicted future development level, and player commitment. A player who is selected to play up for one season may continue to play up during additional seasons or be placed back with their appropriate peer group at some point.

From A club
Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.


there must be a very strict guideline coming from the top for both ECNL and MLSN. But there is a possibility of staying on same team if your kid is good.

It's not a strict guideline. Both leagues recognize that with SY there is a possibility for players a grade older to be placed on a grade lower team. This doesnt work for recruiting which is why its being called out. They're being vague about the wording so clubs have the most options in these situations to maximize profits.

You are in the bartering stage of wanting kids to play up. Acceptance of it continuing to be very rare (except for small Ulittle clubs), as the clubs and ECNL states, will have to arrive Fall 2026 for so many.

Next year is going to be a mess for my DD's team. Everything gets log jammed their junior/senior years of HS....

She is currently ECNL, U17, 2009 BY. Her team has essentially been the same for the last couple of years. From a GRADE standpoint, 15/18 players are 11th. 3/18 are 10th. 1 of the 3 10th graders is a 2010 BY. 2 of the 3 are 2009, but late birthdays, well after the 8/1 cutoff. But, she has 4 other players that are 11th graders that are also after the 8/1 cutoff by a couple of weeks.

So, where does everyone fit next year? Not only that, the current U18/U19 squad has a bunch of 11th graders that while 2008 BY are after the 8/1 cutoff as well.

The club has already started to run scrimmages, joint practices with different combinations of the 2010/2009 age groups and the 2009/2008 age groups, so we'll see where things shake out. All the current 11th graders are my DD's team have committed, so recruiting isn't a concern, it's just going to be a pretty big shift in rosters next year overall.

Why a club would mess with freshmen and up teams is beyond me. Once players get to sophmore year all that matters is recruitment. Wins are still important but they're not the primary focus.

What might happen is clubs expand the roster with trapped players from other clubs. This would mean more $$$ for the club.

You answered your own question: "Wins are still important". Everything else is secondary. Not sure how people don't realize that.

Thats not what I said at all. Obviously you cant read.

Once players get to the HS level wins are no longer the priority. Getting recruited to play in college is the priority.

Unless your kid plays on a such a sucky team/club that nobody is looking to play in college.

Well yeah, that is true for the player. I agree with you. But for the club, the win is still more important. So they'll play the player where they can get the most wins, player recruitment or desires be damned.

When players sign committment letters to college programs youth clubs IMMEDIATELY post about it on instagram + other social media. They do this because recruitment trumps individual wins when players get older.

Think about it. What attracts younger players to a club more? A single win by an olders team. Or, a recruitment announcement on social media? Understand how it works yet?

So condescending… and still so wrong.

Exactly correct. You just dont understand it because your kid is either too young or not recruitable at the college level.

Crazy August guy, MLSN top dog guy, and carlsbad7 all the same person.

What are you talking about?

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Can a player play up an age group?

Yes, a player may be chosen to play up. The decision on player placement is made by coaching staff and technical leadership with several factors in mind - player skill level, soccer maturity, current development level, predicted future development level, and player commitment. A player who is selected to play up for one season may continue to play up during additional seasons or be placed back with their appropriate peer group at some point.

From A club
Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.


there must be a very strict guideline coming from the top for both ECNL and MLSN. But there is a possibility of staying on same team if your kid is good.

It's not a strict guideline. Both leagues recognize that with SY there is a possibility for players a grade older to be placed on a grade lower team. This doesnt work for recruiting which is why its being called out. They're being vague about the wording so clubs have the most options in these situations to maximize profits.

You are in the bartering stage of wanting kids to play up. Acceptance of it continuing to be very rare (except for small Ulittle clubs), as the clubs and ECNL states, will have to arrive Fall 2026 for so many.

Next year is going to be a mess for my DD's team. Everything gets log jammed their junior/senior years of HS....

She is currently ECNL, U17, 2009 BY. Her team has essentially been the same for the last couple of years. From a GRADE standpoint, 15/18 players are 11th. 3/18 are 10th. 1 of the 3 10th graders is a 2010 BY. 2 of the 3 are 2009, but late birthdays, well after the 8/1 cutoff. But, she has 4 other players that are 11th graders that are also after the 8/1 cutoff by a couple of weeks.

So, where does everyone fit next year? Not only that, the current U18/U19 squad has a bunch of 11th graders that while 2008 BY are after the 8/1 cutoff as well.

The club has already started to run scrimmages, joint practices with different combinations of the 2010/2009 age groups and the 2009/2008 age groups, so we'll see where things shake out. All the current 11th graders are my DD's team have committed, so recruiting isn't a concern, it's just going to be a pretty big shift in rosters next year overall.

Why a club would mess with freshmen and up teams is beyond me. Once players get to sophmore year all that matters is recruitment. Wins are still important but they're not the primary focus.

What might happen is clubs expand the roster with trapped players from other clubs. This would mean more $$$ for the club.

You answered your own question: "Wins are still important". Everything else is secondary. Not sure how people don't realize that.

Thats not what I said at all. Obviously you cant read.

Once players get to the HS level wins are no longer the priority. Getting recruited to play in college is the priority.

Unless your kid plays on a such a sucky team/club that nobody is looking to play in college.

Well yeah, that is true for the player. I agree with you. But for the club, the win is still more important. So they'll play the player where they can get the most wins, player recruitment or desires be damned.

When players sign committment letters to college programs youth clubs IMMEDIATELY post about it on instagram + other social media. They do this because recruitment trumps individual wins when players get older.

Think about it. What attracts younger players to a club more? A single win by an olders team. Or, a recruitment announcement on social media? Understand how it works yet?

Sure, but the recruitment is going to be older now. Quality RL Aug-Dec kids get a recruitment bump being older and ECNL Jan-Jul get a slight anchor. That's what the fuss has been all about.

That's not how it works. I realise you think everything is determined by when players were born. After a certain age (u14 for girls and u16) for boys theres not going to be a huge change in size. (usually) What's very different is speed of play at the A team level and B team level. Also you have to keep in mind that moving B team players to A teams from the same club doesnt mean more $$$ for clubs. For B team players you need to be standout and willing to change clubs if you want to play on an A team.

Yeah, it's how it works. Top teams over indexed on older players and under indexed on younger players. Like is was and like it will be. Remember, they are making this change for reasons not to sit around and ignore it.

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All this is pointless. MLSN is the premier league and the only one that matters. They will stay BY because they can and must to preserve international play. Their new MLSN tier 2 will take over the entire landscape and everyone will be clamming to tryout come u13, regardless of the age cutoff. You really think people are going to choose ECNL over MLSN you are crazy. We are talking about a professional league here.

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Anonymous wrote:All this is pointless. MLSN is the premier league and the only one that matters. They will stay BY because they can and must to preserve international play. Their new MLSN tier 2 will take over the entire landscape and everyone will be clamming to tryout come u13, regardless of the age cutoff. You really think people are going to choose ECNL over MLSN you are crazy. We are talking about a professional league here.

There will always be people that choose to play on a lower tier. ECNL isnt going anywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:All this is pointless. MLSN is the premier league and the only one that matters. They will stay BY because they can and must to preserve international play. Their new MLSN tier 2 will take over the entire landscape and everyone will be clamming to tryout come u13, regardless of the age cutoff. You really think people are going to choose ECNL over MLSN you are crazy. We are talking about a professional league here.

There will always be people that choose to play on a lower tier. ECNL isnt going anywhere.

But ECNL is so much lower than MLSN . Go on YouTube and watch matches of both leagues. My god! The difference is astounding! One is clearly pro-bound and the other is not. We really need MLSN1 through MLSN6 so we can cover the entire landscape . Also that way we can keep BY and the crazy MLSN guys kid won’t go from starter to bench

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Anonymous wrote:MLSN will be going to SY. and so is GA. McLean just announced townhall meeting of the changes.

MLSN2 or all of MLS?

Because that doesnt seem possible woth the pro teams.

Mclean is MLSN3, after MLS1 (MLS academies) and MLSN2, (P2P home fries), so still not clear on MLSN1 and MLS2.

What is MLS3? That's not a thing.

He thinks he is funny by maligning certain leagues

Even MLSN3 is a far superior league than anywhere else. People will flock to anything MLSN. dont you see? And not just anyone but the best players in the country. But if they do not keep their current age cutoff that potentially all goes away. They are a professional league for Gods sake!!! How could they ever operate with an age cutoff that resembles school year?? It just can’t happen and their international respect would take a big hit trust me! But either way they will ALWAYS get the best players and people will still flock to anything MLSN endorsed. How they didn’t start this league sooner no one will ever know!

If your kid has the talent and ability playing on the B tier will be boring. If they don't you'll keep doing the backhanded compliment thing. After a while you'll burn out and take the nasty demeanor somewhere else not realizing that everyone sees through it knowing that you're 100% jealous.

I don’t think I like your tone. And your insinuations are way off the mark! MLSN is our league!! and I hate when people try to act like it is not truly a professional league. It is in the name for crying out loud!!! The only jealousy I have is for my kid to play on the real deal pro academy MLSN teams. Wow! That is something to really brag about and if I had a kid there with a July birthday I would go on every forum telling people how superior MLSN is and how switching age groups is not feasible for them and they should not conform to the landscape. See how this works?

Oh my god, your words are so insightful, I’m really thrilled … I couldn’t help some tears rolling down my cheeks 😭

Thanks a lot for your inspiring words! 🤗

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Anonymous wrote:From M club
Can a player play up an age group?

Yes, a player may be chosen to play up. The decision on player placement is made by coaching staff and technical leadership with several factors in mind - player skill level, soccer maturity, current development level, predicted future development level, and player commitment. A player who is selected to play up for one season may continue to play up during additional seasons or be placed back with their appropriate peer group at some point.

From A club
Q: Can players play up an age group?

A: Playing up is a coaching and technical decision based primarily on the player’s skill level, soccer maturity, and overall development needs. While Arlington Soccer allows flexibility in certain cases, playing up is the exception rather than the rule. Each situation is carefully evaluated by the technical staff to ensure it is in the best interest of both the individual player and the team.


there must be a very strict guideline coming from the top for both ECNL and MLSN. But there is a possibility of staying on same team if your kid is good.

It's not a strict guideline. Both leagues recognize that with SY there is a possibility for players a grade older to be placed on a grade lower team. This doesnt work for recruiting which is why its being called out. They're being vague about the wording so clubs have the most options in these situations to maximize profits.

You are in the bartering stage of wanting kids to play up. Acceptance of it continuing to be very rare (except for small Ulittle clubs), as the clubs and ECNL states, will have to arrive Fall 2026 for so many.

Next year is going to be a mess for my DD's team. Everything gets log jammed their junior/senior years of HS....

She is currently ECNL, U17, 2009 BY. Her team has essentially been the same for the last couple of years. From a GRADE standpoint, 15/18 players are 11th. 3/18 are 10th. 1 of the 3 10th graders is a 2010 BY. 2 of the 3 are 2009, but late birthdays, well after the 8/1 cutoff. But, she has 4 other players that are 11th graders that are also after the 8/1 cutoff by a couple of weeks.

So, where does everyone fit next year? Not only that, the current U18/U19 squad has a bunch of 11th graders that while 2008 BY are after the 8/1 cutoff as well.

The club has already started to run scrimmages, joint practices with different combinations of the 2010/2009 age groups and the 2009/2008 age groups, so we'll see where things shake out. All the current 11th graders are my DD's team have committed, so recruiting isn't a concern, it's just going to be a pretty big shift in rosters next year overall.

Why a club would mess with freshmen and up teams is beyond me. Once players get to sophmore year all that matters is recruitment. Wins are still important but they're not the primary focus.

What might happen is clubs expand the roster with trapped players from other clubs. This would mean more $$$ for the club.

You answered your own question: "Wins are still important". Everything else is secondary. Not sure how people don't realize that.

Thats not what I said at all. Obviously you cant read.

Once players get to the HS level wins are no longer the priority. Getting recruited to play in college is the priority.

Unless your kid plays on a such a sucky team/club that nobody is looking to play in college.

Well yeah, that is true for the player. I agree with you. But for the club, the win is still more important. So they'll play the player where they can get the most wins, player recruitment or desires be damned.

When players sign committment letters to college programs youth clubs IMMEDIATELY post about it on instagram + other social media. They do this because recruitment trumps individual wins when players get older.

Think about it. What attracts younger players to a club more? A single win by an olders team. Or, a recruitment announcement on social media? Understand how it works yet?

Sure, but the recruitment is going to be older now. Quality RL Aug-Dec kids get a recruitment bump being older and ECNL Jan-Jul get a slight anchor. That's what the fuss has been all about.

That's not how it works. I realise you think everything is determined by when players were born. After a certain age (u14 for girls and u16) for boys theres not going to be a huge change in size. (usually) What's very different is speed of play at the A team level and B team level. Also you have to keep in mind that moving B team players to A teams from the same club doesnt mean more $$$ for clubs. For B team players you need to be standout and willing to change clubs if you want to play on an A team.

"For B team players you need to be standout and willing to change clubs if you want to play on an A team."

There will be a ton more than usual of this type of player during tryout season. They'll still need to change clubs though.

[Anonymous]

So originally my clubs director (ECNL) said they would mostly not be changing for the older U17/19 teams. But was revealed yesterday that the club plans on doing full changes for all age groups and was told ECNL is pushing for its clubs to go for a complete switch outside of national team level players.
I won’t say the club but the U16 team and 17 are top 10 nationally ranked.

[Anonymous]

My kid is 2013 trapped player and midfielder on ECNL team. We looked at the 2012 ECNL and they have 5 midfielders moving down tp 2013. Easy choice that we are also moving down.

Its will be a blood bath for all of our kids wanting to stay on the roster in the midfield...... yikes.

We have some great kids on our team but they just arent better than the ones coming down and everyone knows it. Not sure if they change clubs or take B team spots or try for a new position.