Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:The Dems, and their accomplices in the Intelligence Community, control news outlets, social media platforms, newspapers, magazines, radio, academia, Hollywood, music, and more.

They used control of these institutions to brainwash the masses to hate Trump and his supporters.

This is not an isolated incident. This is a widespread disease that has infected the minds of millions, and it was done so intentionally. This is by design.

We are dealing with people who have been literally brainwashed by everything they consume, to hate us and everything we stand for.

We are living in an Orwellian dystopia.

+1

While they chant in unison, Trump is a fascist.

While you chant in unison we will not be replaced!

Sorry- chanting is for the pu$$y hat crew.

Gotta give it to leftists, they are great chanters. They will take weeks and weeks of work off to march about, chanting various slogans.

Why, during the work week, in the middle of the day, leftists gather to engage in all manner of marching and chanting and singing.

While the evil republicans are at work supporting billionaires, democrats are supporting democracy by marching and chanting. Carrying all manner of signs and large papier mache heads of fascists.

Imagine the hours of work democrats spend paiper mache-ing fascist heads?

Stunning! And brave.

Yes, that's what people have been trying to tell you the difference is. That is exactly what the extreme left does. Why are you glorifying violence?

It's basically the difference in bullying between high school boys and girls. Both are bad but one style is more physical than the other. One style wants you to kill yourself while the other wants to kill you themselves. One style tries to exert physical control while the other tries to exert social control.

It's all toxic and it's all a circular response to each other's most extreme elements exacerbated by social media and algorithms to lock us in bubbles of groupthink while feeding us ragebait about the other.

There's nothing wrong with protest and free speech and political activism. There is something wrong with violence. BOTHSIDES are not toxic. The violent one who hates empathy is the one that's toxic.

You really can't make this stuff up.

Kirk once said, "I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage."

That's an awful thing to say. And even worse to add into our political discourse.

lol, physician heal thyself. Empathy is a two way street.

You're doing the same thing that the people you're arguing with are doing. Try to practice a little empathy yourself and you might realize how hard it is to accept the reality that we are all to blame.

None of what I said takes anything away from what this kid rotted by the right wing internet did or excuses anything Trump has been doing to our country.

Where did you see that the shooter was right wing?

The constant call for ‘links’ is not in good faith, because it shifts the burden of the conversation onto the other person while letting you avoid offering any position of your own. Communication scholars often describe this tactic as a form of bad-faith framing or what’s popularly called sealioning—asking for endless citations not out of genuine curiosity but as a way to derail, exhaust, or control the exchange. It keeps the other person locked in a defensive posture rather than opening space for honest engagement.

If you had provided even one link, I could see your point. But you have not provided even a single link.

What you just wrote actually proves my point. You are not engaging with what I said, you are reducing the entire discussion to whether I will jump through hoops to provide links. Communication research on online debate shows exactly this dynamic: people who demand sources in this way are rarely interested in evaluating them, they use the request itself as a way to control the exchange and keep the other person on the defensive. That is why I said the demand is not in good faith. A conversation is about exchanging reasoning and perspectives, not setting up a passfail test where you pretend you cannot respond until a link is dropped.

My position is "I don't know" and I'm not going to be convinced by an anonymous forum troll's rantings.

Yes, you just proved the point: nothing presented here will convince you, even links, due to concept bolded above.

Haha, what citations have you provided? Zero.

You want everyone to believe your anonymous opinion. Hard pass.

You are still proving my point. The only move you are making is to demand links and then act as if nothing else matters. That is not real discussion. A constant call for citations is not about evidence, it is about setting up hoops for the other person to jump through so you can avoid engaging with the substance of what was said. That is why it is not a good faith tactic.

That's what people say when they can't provide "the science"

My response is actually based on the science of human psychology.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

Exactly this. Those still hanging onto hope that that the use of the word fascist pegs him as a leftist simply don’t know WTF they’re talking about or choose to ignore it out of expediency.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

Thank you for your detailed post. This makes sense.

So, basically, what was written on that casing doesn’t indicate one way or another what his political leanings are.

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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

+10000

He was a mentally ill person who got caught up in the toxic political climate that many of us have been caught up in recently. Sane people who fall into the hate the other "side" trap post stupid stuff online or say things we wish we could take back at Thanksgiving. Manufactured hate can drive mentally ill people to commit murder.

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Oh, MAGA… turns out you DO have a Civil War on your hands. Charlie Kirk was most likely a casualty of MAGA on MAGA violence.
If you don’t know who Nick Fuentes is, congratulations on having a life. If you don’t know what a Groyper is—I almost envy you.
Nick Fuentes is a MAGA influencer and staunch antisemite. He has influence. He and Kanye West had dinner with Trump at Mar a Lago not so long ago. Nick’s most loyal followers are called Groypers. Groypers like to troll and threaten online and they frequently use phrases like “o Bella ciao” and “if you read this you are gay”… just like the ones etched onto the ammo used by the guy who shot Charlie Kirk.
Nick Fuentes and his Groypers have been having a heated feud with Charlie Kirk for some time now. This shooting MAY be a result of that feud. A case where the comment section got real.
I couldn’t prove this in a court of law right now. The evidence is circumstantial. But oh my god there’s a LOT of circumstantial evidence. I’d love to know what kind of statements the (alleged) shooter has made. And I’d love to see his internet history.
For his part, Nick Fuentes has gone silent and deep. He canceled his show yesterday and posted the attached picture preemptively disavowing any violence his followers may do. Or may have already done.
It’ll take the mainstream media a day or two to catch up to all of this. And Fox “News” probably won’t cover it at all, but be ready to hear the word Groyper a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has ZERO reputable news sources and zero links to news reports.

There have been plenty, but the MAGAs and bots infesting this thread would rather change the subject and pretend the killer was a democrat.

No, there has been none. Dcum is posting unverified and unlinked information with no sources.

Go read my blog post

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/weblog/2025/09/12/update091225

I have links.

For all the torturous mental-gymnastics in your blog post, desperately trying to hide behind “it’s complicated” to escape assigning blame, you missed the big picture here:

- one political party is a welcoming home to all the hateful people out there who are celebrating this murder (and that party is not the republican party).

First of all, no Democrats I know are celebrating this murder.

Secondly, Kirk himself celebrated the kidnapping attempt on Nancy Pelosi, and the hammer attack on her husband. So, try not to pat yourself on the back too hard.

Cite?

Can’t you people google anything? So lazy!

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Anonymous wrote:The Dems, and their accomplices in the Intelligence Community, control news outlets, social media platforms, newspapers, magazines, radio, academia, Hollywood, music, and more.

They used control of these institutions to brainwash the masses to hate Trump and his supporters.

This is not an isolated incident. This is a widespread disease that has infected the minds of millions, and it was done so intentionally. This is by design.

We are dealing with people who have been literally brainwashed by everything they consume, to hate us and everything we stand for.

We are living in an Orwellian dystopia.

+1

While they chant in unison, Trump is a fascist.

While you chant in unison we will not be replaced!

Sorry- chanting is for the pu$$y hat crew.

Gotta give it to leftists, they are great chanters. They will take weeks and weeks of work off to march about, chanting various slogans.

Why, during the work week, in the middle of the day, leftists gather to engage in all manner of marching and chanting and singing.

While the evil republicans are at work supporting billionaires, democrats are supporting democracy by marching and chanting. Carrying all manner of signs and large papier mache heads of fascists.

Imagine the hours of work democrats spend paiper mache-ing fascist heads?

Stunning! And brave.

Yes, that's what people have been trying to tell you the difference is. That is exactly what the extreme left does. Why are you glorifying violence?

It's basically the difference in bullying between high school boys and girls. Both are bad but one style is more physical than the other. One style wants you to kill yourself while the other wants to kill you themselves. One style tries to exert physical control while the other tries to exert social control.

It's all toxic and it's all a circular response to each other's most extreme elements exacerbated by social media and algorithms to lock us in bubbles of groupthink while feeding us ragebait about the other.

There's nothing wrong with protest and free speech and political activism. There is something wrong with violence. BOTHSIDES are not toxic. The violent one who hates empathy is the one that's toxic.

You really can't make this stuff up.

Kirk once said, "I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage."

That's an awful thing to say. And even worse to add into our political discourse.

lol, physician heal thyself. Empathy is a two way street.

You're doing the same thing that the people you're arguing with are doing. Try to practice a little empathy yourself and you might realize how hard it is to accept the reality that we are all to blame.

None of what I said takes anything away from what this kid rotted by the right wing internet did or excuses anything Trump has been doing to our country.

Where did you see that the shooter was right wing?

The constant call for ‘links’ is not in good faith, because it shifts the burden of the conversation onto the other person while letting you avoid offering any position of your own. Communication scholars often describe this tactic as a form of bad-faith framing or what’s popularly called sealioning—asking for endless citations not out of genuine curiosity but as a way to derail, exhaust, or control the exchange. It keeps the other person locked in a defensive posture rather than opening space for honest engagement.

If you had provided even one link, I could see your point. But you have not provided even a single link.

What you just wrote actually proves my point. You are not engaging with what I said, you are reducing the entire discussion to whether I will jump through hoops to provide links. Communication research on online debate shows exactly this dynamic: people who demand sources in this way are rarely interested in evaluating them, they use the request itself as a way to control the exchange and keep the other person on the defensive. That is why I said the demand is not in good faith. A conversation is about exchanging reasoning and perspectives, not setting up a passfail test where you pretend you cannot respond until a link is dropped.

My position is "I don't know" and I'm not going to be convinced by an anonymous forum troll's rantings.

Yes, you just proved the point: nothing presented here will convince you, even links, due to concept bolded above.

Haha, what citations have you provided? Zero.

You want everyone to believe your anonymous opinion. Hard pass.

You are still proving my point. The only move you are making is to demand links and then act as if nothing else matters. That is not real discussion. A constant call for citations is not about evidence, it is about setting up hoops for the other person to jump through so you can avoid engaging with the substance of what was said. That is why it is not a good faith tactic.

That's what people say when they can't provide "the science"

How about you guys stop your inane, petty side argument and let's talk about something else. Like what a remarkable and devastating shot made by the shooter. One bullet. 200 yards. Kind of boggles the mind. Kirk was even under a covering partially. And I find it strange that no one noticed. Sad to say that when I go to events in DC I can't help but look around at the tops of buildings. Messed up, but true.

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Anonymous wrote:Laughing at all the conservatives here who assumed the shooter was a liberal furiously looking up the term "groyper"

He grew up in a conservative family and turned leftist online and during high school.

Mainly aimless teens do.

And you simply know that because of your critical thinking. "It cannot be a right winger because that would make me look bad, so it must be a leftist."

Well, it’s pretty safe to say he wasn’t of
ideological leaning and political affiliation of Kirk. After all, he was so moved to murder him. What random people from high school think about him or what grandma thinks she knows about his motive is irrelevant

Until we get detailed, in-depth information about his motive and the thought process behind it (which may not happen until he’s on trial or may never happen if he pleads guilty), I don’t think we can truly make sense of this kid. So far, the details coming out are inconclusive, perhaps even contradictory. Even if he explains his reasoning, it may not make sense to sane, rational, emotionally stable people.

You say it’s safe to say he isn’t of the same political affiliation as Kirk. I’m not sure it is safe to say that. He may have shared the same position as Kirk on many issues and only differed from Kirk’s views on a couple pet causes. He may have been to the left of Kirk. He may have been to the right of Kirk. He might not have had any kind of consistent, coherent ideology. He may have enjoyed playing Devil’s advocate and arguing viewpoints that he didn’t actually believe, which would explain why there’s seemingly contradictory information about his political leaning. He might throw around the word “fascist” without actually knowing what fascism is.

Kid?!

Relax, I’m not saying he’s a juvenile; I’m just old enough that he’s young to me.

He is a grown man.

I am relaxed by the way. But if I wasn't, that is not your concern.

He's a grown mentally ill murderer who was poisoned by our current political climate.

He may or may not be mentally ill.

Political rhetoric shouldn't drive anyone to murder, not an excuse.

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Anonymous wrote:The Dems, and their accomplices in the Intelligence Community, control news outlets, social media platforms, newspapers, magazines, radio, academia, Hollywood, music, and more.

They used control of these institutions to brainwash the masses to hate Trump and his supporters.

This is not an isolated incident. This is a widespread disease that has infected the minds of millions, and it was done so intentionally. This is by design.

We are dealing with people who have been literally brainwashed by everything they consume, to hate us and everything we stand for.

We are living in an Orwellian dystopia.

+1

While they chant in unison, Trump is a fascist.

While you chant in unison we will not be replaced!

Sorry- chanting is for the pu$$y hat crew.

Gotta give it to leftists, they are great chanters. They will take weeks and weeks of work off to march about, chanting various slogans.

Why, during the work week, in the middle of the day, leftists gather to engage in all manner of marching and chanting and singing.

While the evil republicans are at work supporting billionaires, democrats are supporting democracy by marching and chanting. Carrying all manner of signs and large papier mache heads of fascists.

Imagine the hours of work democrats spend paiper mache-ing fascist heads?

Stunning! And brave.

Yes, that's what people have been trying to tell you the difference is. That is exactly what the extreme left does. Why are you glorifying violence?

It's basically the difference in bullying between high school boys and girls. Both are bad but one style is more physical than the other. One style wants you to kill yourself while the other wants to kill you themselves. One style tries to exert physical control while the other tries to exert social control.

It's all toxic and it's all a circular response to each other's most extreme elements exacerbated by social media and algorithms to lock us in bubbles of groupthink while feeding us ragebait about the other.

There's nothing wrong with protest and free speech and political activism. There is something wrong with violence. BOTHSIDES are not toxic. The violent one who hates empathy is the one that's toxic.

You really can't make this stuff up.

Kirk once said, "I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage."

That's an awful thing to say. And even worse to add into our political discourse.

lol, physician heal thyself. Empathy is a two way street.

You're doing the same thing that the people you're arguing with are doing. Try to practice a little empathy yourself and you might realize how hard it is to accept the reality that we are all to blame.

None of what I said takes anything away from what this kid rotted by the right wing internet did or excuses anything Trump has been doing to our country.

Where did you see that the shooter was right wing?

It all over. Everywhere. Where do you people get your news? What websites do you read?

Bs he wrote fascists on the bullets. There is only one group who uses that term right now and its democrats.

You just proved you have no understanding of the online world he was in. Read up on Groypers.

He was so far to the right, he was upset that Kirk wasn’t right enough. Read up on the clash of Fuentes and Kirk fans.

And for gods sake, if you have boys, talk to them about what they’re seeing online. Because a lot of awful people are trying to radicalize them for profit.

The boys’sgrandma says the family was MAGA.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/charlie-kirk-suspects-grandma-says-family-is-all-maga/?fbclid=IwQ0xDSwMxhPFleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHqhQhy8-DjqoO_IKJCrjFgv5wtRJuVkEK6t1vnz25KKMVCFpi9v4ujCjMDUa_aem__Aa5m4vlhC3IaoXfxWb8Xw

His dad is a republican cop photographed in a 3% t shirt.

His and his mother’s Facebook accounts were littered with family photos with guns. One of his Halloween costumes was Pepe the frog. Again, search Groypers.

He was deep in an online white supremacy, misogynistic, racist, radical culture.

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Anonymous wrote:The Dems, and their accomplices in the Intelligence Community, control news outlets, social media platforms, newspapers, magazines, radio, academia, Hollywood, music, and more.

They used control of these institutions to brainwash the masses to hate Trump and his supporters.

This is not an isolated incident. This is a widespread disease that has infected the minds of millions, and it was done so intentionally. This is by design.

We are dealing with people who have been literally brainwashed by everything they consume, to hate us and everything we stand for.

We are living in an Orwellian dystopia.

+1

While they chant in unison, Trump is a fascist.

While you chant in unison we will not be replaced!

Sorry- chanting is for the pu$$y hat crew.

Gotta give it to leftists, they are great chanters. They will take weeks and weeks of work off to march about, chanting various slogans.

Why, during the work week, in the middle of the day, leftists gather to engage in all manner of marching and chanting and singing.

While the evil republicans are at work supporting billionaires, democrats are supporting democracy by marching and chanting. Carrying all manner of signs and large papier mache heads of fascists.

Imagine the hours of work democrats spend paiper mache-ing fascist heads?

Stunning! And brave.

Yes, that's what people have been trying to tell you the difference is. That is exactly what the extreme left does. Why are you glorifying violence?

It's basically the difference in bullying between high school boys and girls. Both are bad but one style is more physical than the other. One style wants you to kill yourself while the other wants to kill you themselves. One style tries to exert physical control while the other tries to exert social control.

It's all toxic and it's all a circular response to each other's most extreme elements exacerbated by social media and algorithms to lock us in bubbles of groupthink while feeding us ragebait about the other.

There's nothing wrong with protest and free speech and political activism. There is something wrong with violence. BOTHSIDES are not toxic. The violent one who hates empathy is the one that's toxic.

You really can't make this stuff up.

Kirk once said, "I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage."

That's an awful thing to say. And even worse to add into our political discourse.

lol, physician heal thyself. Empathy is a two way street.

You're doing the same thing that the people you're arguing with are doing. Try to practice a little empathy yourself and you might realize how hard it is to accept the reality that we are all to blame.

None of what I said takes anything away from what this kid rotted by the right wing internet did or excuses anything Trump has been doing to our country.

Where did you see that the shooter was right wing?

The constant call for ‘links’ is not in good faith, because it shifts the burden of the conversation onto the other person while letting you avoid offering any position of your own. Communication scholars often describe this tactic as a form of bad-faith framing or what’s popularly called sealioning—asking for endless citations not out of genuine curiosity but as a way to derail, exhaust, or control the exchange. It keeps the other person locked in a defensive posture rather than opening space for honest engagement.

If you had provided even one link, I could see your point. But you have not provided even a single link.

What you just wrote actually proves my point. You are not engaging with what I said, you are reducing the entire discussion to whether I will jump through hoops to provide links. Communication research on online debate shows exactly this dynamic: people who demand sources in this way are rarely interested in evaluating them, they use the request itself as a way to control the exchange and keep the other person on the defensive. That is why I said the demand is not in good faith. A conversation is about exchanging reasoning and perspectives, not setting up a passfail test where you pretend you cannot respond until a link is dropped.

My position is "I don't know" and I'm not going to be convinced by an anonymous forum troll's rantings.

Yes, you just proved the point: nothing presented here will convince you, even links, due to concept bolded above.

Haha, what citations have you provided? Zero.

You want everyone to believe your anonymous opinion. Hard pass.

You are still proving my point. The only move you are making is to demand links and then act as if nothing else matters. That is not real discussion. A constant call for citations is not about evidence, it is about setting up hoops for the other person to jump through so you can avoid engaging with the substance of what was said. That is why it is not a good faith tactic.

That's what people say when they can't provide "the science"

How about you guys stop your inane, petty side argument and let's talk about something else. Like what a remarkable and devastating shot made by the shooter. One bullet. 200 yards. Kind of boggles the mind. Kirk was even under a covering partially. And I find it strange that no one noticed. Sad to say that when I go to events in DC I can't help but look around at the tops of buildings. Messed up, but true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Laughing at all the conservatives here who assumed the shooter was a liberal furiously looking up the term "groyper"

He grew up in a conservative family and turned leftist online and during high school.

Mainly aimless teens do.

And you simply know that because of your critical thinking. "It cannot be a right winger because that would make me look bad, so it must be a leftist."

Well, it’s pretty safe to say he wasn’t of
ideological leaning and political affiliation of Kirk. After all, he was so moved to murder him. What random people from high school think about him or what grandma thinks she knows about his motive is irrelevant

I will wait to see what he says, but your argument ignores the fact that there are right-wing factions who don't like each other but all love their guns. So do the math. Your automatic conclusion that the killer had to be a leftist is based only on your own hateful biases, which our incompetent, hateful, repugnant POTUS shares. Spouting off about retribution when no one knows for sure. Irresponsible and dangerous.

[Anonymous]

A primer on Fuentes and Groypers

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/09/us/politics/nick-fuentes-trump.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are reporting misinformation. A family friend identified and called the FBI first NOT the dad. Hey fascist and catch fascist where on the bullets.

This is a combination of wrong and misleading. One bullet had the inscription "Hey Fascists! Catch!" followed by the up arrow symbol, the right arrow symbol, and three down arrows. You cannot divorce the words from the arrows. The arrows are a key code used Helldivers 2 to arm a large bomb. In the game, the player is a member of a militaristic regime (i.e. fascist government) who is battling aliens that the players call fascists. The phrase is a taunt of an enemy who is about get bombed with a large munition. The game is satirical and the irony in this is that the player is the fascist.

In context, "Hey fascist" does not indicate that Robinson is right-wing. It also does not indicate that he is left-wing. It simply means that he is deeply into Internet meme and gamer cultures.

+10000

He was a mentally ill person who got caught up in the toxic political climate that many of us have been caught up in recently. Sane people who fall into the hate the other "side" trap post stupid stuff online or say things we wish we could take back at Thanksgiving. Manufactured hate can drive mentally ill people to commit murder.

You aren't agreeing with the PP you are making a completely different point. He may or may not be mentally ill. No one in politics told him to kill anyone.

[Anonymous]

Far right hated Kirk, radicalizing others :

https://www.wired.com/story/extremists-hated-charlie-kirk-now-radicalizing-others/

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Anonymous wrote:The Dems, and their accomplices in the Intelligence Community, control news outlets, social media platforms, newspapers, magazines, radio, academia, Hollywood, music, and more.

They used control of these institutions to brainwash the masses to hate Trump and his supporters.

This is not an isolated incident. This is a widespread disease that has infected the minds of millions, and it was done so intentionally. This is by design.

We are dealing with people who have been literally brainwashed by everything they consume, to hate us and everything we stand for.

We are living in an Orwellian dystopia.

+1

While they chant in unison, Trump is a fascist.

While you chant in unison we will not be replaced!

Sorry- chanting is for the pu$$y hat crew.

Gotta give it to leftists, they are great chanters. They will take weeks and weeks of work off to march about, chanting various slogans.

Why, during the work week, in the middle of the day, leftists gather to engage in all manner of marching and chanting and singing.

While the evil republicans are at work supporting billionaires, democrats are supporting democracy by marching and chanting. Carrying all manner of signs and large papier mache heads of fascists.

Imagine the hours of work democrats spend paiper mache-ing fascist heads?

Stunning! And brave.

Yes, that's what people have been trying to tell you the difference is. That is exactly what the extreme left does. Why are you glorifying violence?

It's basically the difference in bullying between high school boys and girls. Both are bad but one style is more physical than the other. One style wants you to kill yourself while the other wants to kill you themselves. One style tries to exert physical control while the other tries to exert social control.

It's all toxic and it's all a circular response to each other's most extreme elements exacerbated by social media and algorithms to lock us in bubbles of groupthink while feeding us ragebait about the other.

There's nothing wrong with protest and free speech and political activism. There is something wrong with violence. BOTHSIDES are not toxic. The violent one who hates empathy is the one that's toxic.

You really can't make this stuff up.

Kirk once said, "I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage."

That's an awful thing to say. And even worse to add into our political discourse.

lol, physician heal thyself. Empathy is a two way street.

You're doing the same thing that the people you're arguing with are doing. Try to practice a little empathy yourself and you might realize how hard it is to accept the reality that we are all to blame.

None of what I said takes anything away from what this kid rotted by the right wing internet did or excuses anything Trump has been doing to our country.

Where did you see that the shooter was right wing?

The constant call for ‘links’ is not in good faith, because it shifts the burden of the conversation onto the other person while letting you avoid offering any position of your own. Communication scholars often describe this tactic as a form of bad-faith framing or what’s popularly called sealioning—asking for endless citations not out of genuine curiosity but as a way to derail, exhaust, or control the exchange. It keeps the other person locked in a defensive posture rather than opening space for honest engagement.

If you had provided even one link, I could see your point. But you have not provided even a single link.

What you just wrote actually proves my point. You are not engaging with what I said, you are reducing the entire discussion to whether I will jump through hoops to provide links. Communication research on online debate shows exactly this dynamic: people who demand sources in this way are rarely interested in evaluating them, they use the request itself as a way to control the exchange and keep the other person on the defensive. That is why I said the demand is not in good faith. A conversation is about exchanging reasoning and perspectives, not setting up a passfail test where you pretend you cannot respond until a link is dropped.

Here's what we know about Tyler Robinson, the suspect in Charlie Kirk's murder


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2025/09/12/what-we-know-charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect/86091474007/

It’s not yet clear what changed in Robinson’s life leading up to the shooting, but family and friends said he had become more political and angry.

“One of Robinson’s high school classmates, Xander Luke, said he “was politically active and outspoken about people’s rights.” The accused shooter “thought both political sides were contributing to a country being in a worse place and not improving the world,” Luke said.”

Nothing about him being right wing.

Ok, we have Xander's thoughts

If you all spend five minutes, you can find multiple accounts now that are conflicting. We know he was a gamer and into that culture and those memes from the bullets. People still talking about anti-fascism in a literal way are missing the boat on the bullet inscriptions. But we don't really know his political leanings yet.