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Anonymous
Also not true. I won't name names, but I will say one interesting thing with US Soccer is the game reports. FCV has absolutely played up players that were not rostered. Happened with multiple players last year. Not saying good or bad. That's a developmental choice FCV makes. But let's not pretend it never happened. It has also taken players that were rostered on older teams and when it was a play off on the line, brought those players down to their age group. Again, not saying good or bad. But it definitely happened and displaced players on that roster. |
Anonymous
They are a negative to winning games, but they enhance player development for both the player who plays up and the team they left. |
Anonymous
Sometimes that's true. Sometimes they are just a negative. Sometimes they enhance player development for the player who plays up but hurt development for the team they are playing up on, both by their lesser tactical understanding and also by sitting age appropriate players. Occasional playing up is good for challenge and growth but regular playing up often leads to less confidence on the ball and play ups rushing passes to avoid losing the ball. |
Anonymous
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A younger player ON a roster of 18 is different the a roster of 18 with younger guest players playing up. No one gets displaced in the 1st scenario. See the difference?
BTW, this conversation is not a waste of time. This is one of the most important topics going right now. Rosters and playing time is a big deal. If you don't like it, bench yourself from the conversation. Bye Felicia |
Anonymous
Or, put another way, when FCV does it then it is for developmental purposes and is better, when Spirit does it, well then it is a negative. Is that about right? |
Anonymous
So, FCV and Spirit both have teams with more than 18 on their rosters (not all times in either case, but at least a couple). Both play players up that are not on the original roster (and FCV also plays players down to their age group even when they weren't rostered). So, what are you saying that means? We should all go to Arlington? |
Anonymous
No. When it is done occasionally by either club, it is for developmental purposes. When it is done to accommodate a 24 player roster to make sure everyone gets playing time, it is a negative. |
Anonymous
The size of the Spirit rosters last year has been hashed over coach. Again, if FCV does it, it is brilliant. If Spirit does it then it is a negative. |
Anonymous
You must be new. Your lack of knowledge is showing |
Anonymous
But but but....FCV doesn't do it. |
Anonymous
The proof is in the game reports, the OP is telling the truth. FCV rostered kids up an age group for a variety of reasons not all for developmental purposes either. |
Anonymous
Not a coach, but I agree. Last year was an exception. Spirit has already said they won't be doing that again. My comment was about when playing up is a positive and when it is a negative, regardless of who does it: FCV, Spirit, McLean, BRYC (who also by the way did a ton of playing up last year for at least some of their teams), Loudoun, or even our hyper Arlington friends. I don't think FCV always gets it right, but I'm not going to pretend that Spirit didn't make some mistakes last year either. Sometimes a kid is able to play up because they are big for their age or fast. It's not always an issue of technical skill or ability. So playing up may help because that big kid was winning balls they shouldn't have just because of size when playing in their own age group. Which is what all this talk about bio banding is about (although generally it's said in context of players who are small for their age). None of these clubs are perfect, so take your kid where he or she will grow the most as a player (which may be different for your son vs your daughter, although it's nice when both can be in the same DA together). Of course, parents of kids who played up a lot feel the need to defend it. It makes them feel their kid is special - and of course their kid is special. Just like everyone else. |
Anonymous
You are citing U-Little reasons for playing up, i.e. size speed etc. By U14, with girls bio-banding is not a reason. There are very few physical freaks at U14 where needing to play-up at U15 is a necessity at a DA or ECNL level. |
Anonymous
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"Last year was an exception. Spirit has already said they won't be doing that again"
Don't be so sure about that. |
Anonymous
US Soccer disagrees with you: https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2018/04/05/15/45/20180405-news-us-soccer-introduces-bio-banding-initiative "Participating clubs will form two bio-banded teams, each grouped by similar maturity status made up of players within their U-14, U-15 and U-16/17 rosters." https://www.ussoccer.com/~/media/files/academy/bio-banding-faq-402018.pdf?la=en "Early Maturers are often the forgotten beneficiaries of bio-banding. By being more physically dominating for most of their lives in youth soccer, many players can often neglect the need and importance to develop other attributes (technical, tactical and psychological) which will be required when they become adult soccer players and physical advantages no longer exist. Biobanding groups players of similar physicality together reduces the ability to use physicality as an advantage. This then increases the need to develop and use other attributes. " By U14, there are still girls who haven't hit puberty. In fact, in the U15s there are girls who haven't hit it, and even in the U17s a few stragglers. U-littles are not what bio banding is about at all. |