FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know when these decisions plan to be finalized, most importantly regarding the Langley pyramid?

NO. No one knows anything and this entire thread is speculative. There are a few posters who seem to love getting everyone riled up with their hypotheticals, but they don't know anything more than the rest of us. Best to just ignore them.

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Ending AAP centers and sending all kids back to their base schools should be the first thing to happen. Those (former) AAP center schools would then be community schools, as they should have been from the start.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone stopped to factor in the reality that the school age population is shrinking? By 2030 enrollment is expected to be 6% below 2020 levels (https://nces.ed.gov/programs/PES/section-1.asp ).

Seems like a lot of effort to create a situation where there will be plenty of space in most schools in 5 years. Just work to put the right resources where they are needed.

But I get it boundary changes get everyone distracted from the real issues.

We’re going to see this reflected in the upcoming CIP projections for Langley, Cooper, and McLean. It’s going to make it really hard to do the big moves that some people on this forum are looking for.

They’ll still be projecting a big disparity between Lewis and West Springfield in terms of enrollment, so if they do decide to address that they’ll be left with a political dilemma if they were to move WSHS who live close to that school to Lewis but leave kids much closer to Herndon at Langley.

As noted earlier in the thread, they could always pull back, clean up some ES islands and split feeders with minimal changes to MS/HS assignments, and declare victory.

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In addition to doing whatever is necessary to improve the schools where test scores are lagging. Importing UMC kids as a bandaid will do nothing.

This is such a self-serving statement. Every HS has a cohort of high-achieving kids but the size of those cohorts varies. Expanding the size of that cohort can allow a school to offer more electives or sessions of advanced classes.

You can debate whether that should be a priority or whether redistricting UMC kids to certain schools might result in other kids with their own needs getting less attention. But saying it will “do nothing” is a lie.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know when these decisions plan to be finalized, most importantly regarding the Langley pyramid?

NO. No one knows anything and this entire thread is speculative. There are a few posters who seem to love getting everyone riled up with their hypotheticals, but they don't know anything more than the rest of us. Best to just ignore them.

Are you including the Langley posters who keep coming up with hypotheticals to move anyone but Langley kids into Herndon? They’ve been quite active here.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting piece criticizing the BRAC appointments and process:

https://ednewsva.org/letter-fairfax-school-boundary-review-plagued-by-legal-issues-ideological-bias/

Wow. She makes some good points that I had not considered. I found the part of this being exempt from FOIA being very troubling.

Asking for the meetings to be open is insane.

Yeah, why should the public want important decisions to be made in the open instead of shrouded in secrecy?

This is either a troll post or a sb shill.

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I listened to the sessions that FairFACTS Matters and then the Great Falls Citizens Association had with Robyn Lady earlier this year. The references to Herndon from Langley-zoned parents were quite disparaging.

Well, this statement intrigued me, so I googled and found the GFCA webinar with Robyn Lady. I heard nothing disparaging. I did hear lots of concerns about the shift, but not like that.

At one point, Robyn Lady brought up the demographics as the reason the school is rated lower. Someone did ask about the safety stats. The moderator mentioned (I am paraphrasing) that they might consider addressing that issue before shifting kids.
I've stated on this thread before that I have never heard anyone address fixing the problem at the struggling schools rather than covering it up with higher SES scoring kids.

Lady also mentioned that the teachers prefer teaching upper level classes. I did not hear anyone ask a question about how the school plans to staff the schools that get more kids as a result of boundary lines. (Teachers generally do not like being reassigned against their will.)

What about the insulting question "Does Herndon even meet the minimal requirements to offer AP courses"? Like really?

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Oh my vapors.

You have boundary change proponents on here spewing racial slurs like they’re back in the 50s, but you’re upset at that question? Such transparently faux outrage.

The “boundary change proponents“ aren’t spewing racial slurs. In some instances they are ascribing views to Langley posters based on their past conduct and statements.

You aren’t fooling anyone, including the School Board, by suggesting otherwise. They know very well by now what you’re all about.

DP. But that is false, and everyone knows this. Langley posters aren't making racist statements, you are simply fabricating this (lying) to further your narrative. All we've said is that we do not want to switch schools. There is nothing at all racist about wanting to remain at a school rather than change. There's also nothing racist about comparing the test scores at both schools. It's people like you who are determined to make this into a racial issue when it is not.

What’s the comparison with kids of similar race? How are the white kids scores at Herndon? Asian?

It isn’t as simple as looking at overall scores and data.

Once again: it is YOU who is focused on race. Thanks for proving the point.

And why shouldn’t a parent focus on race? It is another factor when thinking about an environment.

I think is misguided, but I guess no objection from me if you want to focus on race. I was raised to believe in the fundamental principles of MLK to worry about content of one’s character, not skin color, but it seems that you disagree.

it is particularly pernicious for posters to outright lie by repeatedly claiming without evidence that Langley families are racist or posting racist things, when in reality it’s the exact opposite.

Langley posters will go to the mat to avoid sending their kids to a school with any significant number of Hispanic kids. MLK would be among the first to call you out were he alive today.

You are the literal embodiment of a race baiter.

Anyone can go back through this thread and see that you are the only one bringing up race. It’s clearly not Langley posters. 🙄

OK, so Langley posters don’t mind brown people as long as they aren’t lower income brown people. Fine.

So why should rich residents (of all colors) who live in Great Falls or Herndon get priority for Langley HS over lower income brown people who live in apartments much closer to Langley HS?

What makes Langley so great that you are asking why "lower income brown people" aren't getting priority for it?

Be for real. Look at the building. The clubs. The test scores. College admissions

Thank you for answering.

Then the school board should remove all the rich kids from Great Falls and send the closer in "lower income brown people" to Langley because the existing situation isn't fair.

According to your comrades in favor of redistricting (or probably you), acknowledging differences in the schools makes you a bona fide racist.

It’s humorous when somebody quotes your original derogatory racist comment and then you quote it back pretending that it came from someone else.

Swing and a miss.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone stopped to factor in the reality that the school age population is shrinking? By 2030 enrollment is expected to be 6% below 2020 levels (https://nces.ed.gov/programs/PES/section-1.asp ).

Seems like a lot of effort to create a situation where there will be plenty of space in most schools in 5 years. Just work to put the right resources where they are needed.

But I get it boundary changes get everyone distracted from the real issues.

We’re going to see this reflected in the upcoming CIP projections for Langley, Cooper, and McLean. It’s going to make it really hard to do the big moves that some people on this forum are looking for.

They’ll still be projecting a big disparity between Lewis and West Springfield in terms of enrollment, so if they do decide to address that they’ll be left with a political dilemma if they were to move WSHS who live close to that school to Lewis but leave kids much closer to Herndon at Langley.

As noted earlier in the thread, they could always pull back, clean up some ES islands and split feeders with minimal changes to MS/HS assignments, and declare victory.

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In addition to doing whatever is necessary to improve the schools where test scores are lagging. Importing UMC kids as a bandaid will do nothing.

It will cover up the problems. Sad. The job of the school system is to educate.
i've posted before that I taught impoverished students. I cannot imagine thinking that bringing in wealthy kids would improve the way I taught these kids.
Again, not once have I heard the School Board discuss how to improve instruction for struggling students. Not once.

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Chantilly has Greenbriar East which is a split feeder…and it’s a big school. They are going to need to move someone out of Chantilly to accommodate those kids, or plan to do something with Poplar Tree’s boundary where some will now head to Powell and then Centreville.

Pretty sure that Greenbriar East is already included in the projections. Do you mean that they need to eliminate the split feeder? Where do the other kids go? Can't be that many?

Fairfax.

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Chantilly has Greenbriar East which is a split feeder…and it’s a big school. They are going to need to move someone out of Chantilly to accommodate those kids, or plan to do something with Poplar Tree’s boundary where some will now head to Powell and then Centreville.

Pretty sure that Greenbriar East is already included in the projections. Do you mean that they need to eliminate the split feeder? Where do the other kids go? Can't be that many?

Fairfax.

Well, if they start shifting, they will necessarily create split feeders elsewhere.

But, again, the freshman class currently at Chantilly is significantly smaller than the others. Someone posted that Rocky Run's enrollment is also smaller. So, Chantilly may just work itself out. No one wants to leave.

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Chantilly has Greenbriar East which is a split feeder…and it’s a big school. They are going to need to move someone out of Chantilly to accommodate those kids, or plan to do something with Poplar Tree’s boundary where some will now head to Powell and then Centreville.

Pretty sure that Greenbriar East is already included in the projections. Do you mean that they need to eliminate the split feeder? Where do the other kids go? Can't be that many?

Fairfax.

Well, if they start shifting, they will necessarily create split feeders elsewhere.

But, again, the freshman class currently at Chantilly is significantly smaller than the others. Someone posted that Rocky Run's enrollment is also smaller. So, Chantilly may just work itself out. No one wants to leave.

They won’t create more splits. They would shift the boundary so kids currently at an elementary will go elsewhere. All of Greenbriar east will now go to Chantilly.

Poplar tree is the furthest south and close to cvhs.

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Chantilly has Greenbriar East which is a split feeder…and it’s a big school. They are going to need to move someone out of Chantilly to accommodate those kids, or plan to do something with Poplar Tree’s boundary where some will now head to Powell and then Centreville.

Pretty sure that Greenbriar East is already included in the projections. Do you mean that they need to eliminate the split feeder? Where do the other kids go? Can't be that many?

Fairfax.

Well, if they start shifting, they will necessarily create split feeders elsewhere.

But, again, the freshman class currently at Chantilly is significantly smaller than the others. Someone posted that Rocky Run's enrollment is also smaller. So, Chantilly may just work itself out. No one wants to leave.

What you want doesn’t matter.

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Chantilly has Greenbriar East which is a split feeder…and it’s a big school. They are going to need to move someone out of Chantilly to accommodate those kids, or plan to do something with Poplar Tree’s boundary where some will now head to Powell and then Centreville.

Pretty sure that Greenbriar East is already included in the projections. Do you mean that they need to eliminate the split feeder? Where do the other kids go? Can't be that many?

Fairfax.

Well, if they start shifting, they will necessarily create split feeders elsewhere.

But, again, the freshman class currently at Chantilly is significantly smaller than the others. Someone posted that Rocky Run's enrollment is also smaller. So, Chantilly may just work itself out. No one wants to leave.

What you want doesn’t matter.

DP. It should matter. The school board ignores its constituents at its own peril.

By now they should know they do not have anywhere close to a mandate for boundary changes

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know when these decisions plan to be finalized, most importantly regarding the Langley pyramid?

NO. No one knows anything and this entire thread is speculative. There are a few posters who seem to love getting everyone riled up with their hypotheticals, but they don't know anything more than the rest of us. Best to just ignore them.

I agree.

However, there have been a few good ideas sprinkled here and there that I hope get explored. I think it is good to look at eliminating IB from all but one or two high schools in the eastern part of the county. I think it is good to look at eliminating MS AAP center schools. I think it is good to look at eliminating ES AAP center schools where the feeder schools have robust local level IV programs ( robust could be set by number of years in the school and a minimum number of students qualifying). I think it should be explored to streamline AP classes and offer the same ones everywhere - even if the minimum 19 students do not sign up. I think streamlining foreign language so the same three are offered everywhere (again no minimum so that all three are always offered).

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Chantilly has Greenbriar East which is a split feeder…and it’s a big school. They are going to need to move someone out of Chantilly to accommodate those kids, or plan to do something with Poplar Tree’s boundary where some will now head to Powell and then Centreville.

Pretty sure that Greenbriar East is already included in the projections. Do you mean that they need to eliminate the split feeder? Where do the other kids go? Can't be that many?

Fairfax.

Well, if they start shifting, they will necessarily create split feeders elsewhere.

But, again, the freshman class currently at Chantilly is significantly smaller than the others. Someone posted that Rocky Run's enrollment is also smaller. So, Chantilly may just work itself out. No one wants to leave.

They won’t create more splits. They would shift the boundary so kids currently at an elementary will go elsewhere. All of Greenbriar east will now go to Chantilly.

Poplar tree is the furthest south and close to cvhs.

Are you even familiar with the area? A not insignificant portion of Poplar Tree walks to Rocky Run and Chantilly. I can't see them starting a bus run elsewhere for those kids, or keeping those kids where they are and creating a new split feeder...

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Chantilly has Greenbriar East which is a split feeder…and it’s a big school. They are going to need to move someone out of Chantilly to accommodate those kids, or plan to do something with Poplar Tree’s boundary where some will now head to Powell and then Centreville.

Pretty sure that Greenbriar East is already included in the projections. Do you mean that they need to eliminate the split feeder? Where do the other kids go? Can't be that many?

Fairfax.

Well, if they start shifting, they will necessarily create split feeders elsewhere.

But, again, the freshman class currently at Chantilly is significantly smaller than the others. Someone posted that Rocky Run's enrollment is also smaller. So, Chantilly may just work itself out. No one wants to leave.

What you want doesn’t matter.

DP. It should matter. The school board ignores its constituents at its own peril.

By now they should know they do not have anywhere close to a mandate for boundary changes

Nope. DEI is what the voters wanted. Now they get it.